Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 September 17

= September 17 =

Lupton family
Please help me. I am an amateur editor who does my best. I have failed when adding a book in the  "Further readiing" section on this article. Please repair my damage. Thanks and I will not  edit for a long time, but I have learnt a lot and always read your advice. Thank you. 175.33.139.143 (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Virtually all of us are amateur editors. (Many of the remainder are spammers.) Here is the edit. For some reason, you wrapped your new item within " ", thereby making it a reference. Remove the two REF thingies and it should be OK. &para; Would it be impertinent if I asked you to please log in as, and edit under, the user ID that we all know you have? -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * has done it for you. -- Hoary (talk) 03:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am confused. I thought that this IP had been blocked for 48 hours from editing at the Help Desk.  Does the block have no effect?  Perhaps the blocking admin User:331dot could explain how partial blocks work (or don't work)? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:34, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There are some thoughts voiced at User talk:Hoary. You might be interested in adding to the opinions; or maybe the discussion should be continued elsewhere? Eagleash (talk) 08:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Posting a translated page
Hello, I've just finished translating a wikipedia page that from the english wikipedia to the portuguese one, but as soon as I hit the button to post the page, I receive a message saying something about "this action was identified as a copy of a wiki page". Can I still post the page anyway?
 * Each Wikipedia language is a separately-administered project. We here at the English Wikipedia cannot assist you with this. You will need to ask on the Portuguese language Wikipedia help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 02:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Follow the advice at WP:TRANSLATEUS. You need to give attribution to the English Wikipedia article you translated.  Additionally, each Wikipedia has its own rules and guidelines for what is an acceptable article.  You will need to ask at the Portuguese Wikipedia help desk about this.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I believe this is the relevant help page at the Portuguese Wikipedia: Pi (Talk to me!)  02:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Displaying an image comparison
Is it straightforwardly possible to display two separate images side-by-side with a single caption for the pair? Like a before-and-after. Thanks! —96.8.24.95 (talk) 02:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * you can do it with a table. I don't know how "straightforward" it is.


 * -Arch dude (talk) 03:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Table-based layout is more hacky than I was hoping for and doesn’t really seem like it would fit well ing alongside article text, but thanks. —96.8.24.95 (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * can do this. MB 05:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I was hoping for! —96.8.24.95 (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Siddha Medicine information provided in Wikipedia
These lines added by some unknown people to defame the oldest medical practice. The references of the links justifying those lines doesn't work or the links have no valid reference to the claims.

1. The Indian Medical Association regards Siddha medicine degrees as "fake" and Siddha therapies as quackery, posing a danger to national health due to the absence of training in science-based medicine.

This statement is made regarding Siddha and it has no valid reference links. IMA Indian Medical Association has no link with Indian systems of medicine and the lines from IMA may be a vested interest to defame Siddha

2. The Gazette list does not recognize practitioners of Siddha medicine because they are not trained, qualified or registered as valid physicians.

Siddha comes under AYUSH department under the Government of India and also a central register as well as a state register is updated every year to list the number of Practitioners. The links provided to claim the second line quoted has no information in the reference which is provided in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is an authentic source, so in topics like this, we would request that only experts in such fields should be allowed to edit the pages.

Thanking you Dr Divya Amritjude — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddham.in (talk • contribs)
 * That's not how Wikipedia works; any interested person can edit any article. Those articles should summarize what independent reliable sources state. If those sources report on what views the Indian Medical Association has on this medical practice, that is valid content. If you have independent reliable sources that say something different, you may offer them on the article talk page(though that would not mean that what the IMA thinks could be removed).
 * There are projects which only permit expert editors to contribute; you may find one of those more to your liking. Please see WP:EXPERT for information on how Wikipedia treats expert editors. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the response...

The IMA or Indian Medicial Association is a association of practitioners of Modern medicine. Therefore they cannot criticise the physicians of Traditional Medical Systems like Siddha. If they are talking about quacks practicing Allopathy with a Siddha degree, can be justified but if they consider all Siddha practitioners as quacks, its absurd. Siddha courses are 5 and 1/2 year course governed by IMCC act 1970 and CCIM(Central COuncil of Indian Medicine ) is the regulatory body for Siddha. http://legislative.gov.in/sites/default/files/A1970-48_0.pdf

https://medicalcouncil.kerala.gov.in/images/pdf/dme.pdf According to Travancore cochin Medical act there is a separate body for council of Indain System of Medicine that provides Regitration cretificate to practice any where in the state just like Allopathy doctors do. And Siddha doctors are genuine like other doctors..Please update to avoid wrong information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddham.in (talk • contribs) 12:48, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not claim that any particular information is truthful or correct; see WP:TRUTH. Wikipedia merely presents information, and requires that it be verifiable to a reliable source; it is up to the reader to determine what is "true" for themselves.  You are free to visit the talk page of the article at issue and offer independent reliable sources that present the views of others on this topic. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Although what 331dot says is correct, I hasten to add that by requiring that information presented in articles be verifiable by a reliable source, we are trying to ensure the information is accurate – we are not completely agnostic in regards to the truth. I cannot pretend to have any expertise whatsoever in relation to Siddha medicine, but what I can say is that the article has attributed the claim of quackery to the Indian Medical Association and is not presenting the claim in "Wikipedia's voice", so to speak. Now, you can choose whether to believe the IMA or not – considering it is the representative body for Indian medical professionals, I'd say they are absolutely qualified to speak on this medical matter – but you cannot dispute that this is a view they have expressed. – Teratix ₵ 01:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please remember to sign your comments. Late reply, but: Anyone can criticize anything. If it seems relevant and doesn’t give undue weight to one side or another, we acknowledge that the criticism exists. I can’t speak as to the relevance of the IMA’s views themselves, but it’s safe to assume that the IMA is qualified to speak for the IMA’s views. —96.8.24.95 (talk) 00:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing is reverting to older version
Hi All,

I am working for Abu Dhabi University and Wikipedia has all the old information about the university. I tried updating it but after a few minutes it goes back to the older version. I am not sure why it is happening and how I can make the changes that will stay there.

Please help me it is a task given to me by management and it will hurt the university reputation if the information is not up to date on the page.

P.S: I gave all the references for each information i provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abudhabiuni (talk • contribs)
 * First of all, you need to comply with WP:PAID, which is a requirement of the Terms of Use requirement (Section 4 "Paid contributions without disclosure". After that, please get a new username, as the english Wikipedia doesnt allow WP:CORPNAMEs. Further, your edits where highely promotional. Wikipedia wants to maintain a neutral point of view. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * And once you have done what Victor said,, you will be welcome to make edit requests - with references to sources independent of the University - on the article's talk page, and an uninvolved editor will decide what response to your request is appropriate. But please understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the university says or wants to say: only in what people who have no connection with the university have chosen to publish about it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: user has been indeffed blocked. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:26, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

New Article
Hello, I have been asked by the person I work for to create a wikipedia page for him. Would you please let me know if I can start with limited information, submit the page for approval, and then add additional details?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.51.146 (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". Those articles should only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  Wikipedia is not interested in what someone wants to say about themselves like social media accounts are, or in what their website says, or in what anything associated with the subject wants to say.  Please review Your First Article, and if you think that you can write such an article, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review.
 * As you state you work for this person, you must review the paid editing policy and make the required declaration. You should also review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You do not have to add all possible information to the draft before submitting it, as long as you can establish that the person is notable as defined by Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 16:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It is generally a good idea to create an article incrementally, as long as the first version establishes notability. However, this will be tedious in your case, because as a paid editor, you are not allowed to make direct edits to the article. Instead, you must recommend edits that other editors must implement. Fortunately, you are not prohibited from working on a draft (an article in draft space with a name starting with "Draft:") so you can work directly and incrementally on that draft article. You can experiments, ask  for help, etc. until you are happy with it, and then submit it for review and acceptance as a regular article. -Arch dude (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

MG Jose J. Reyes bio
Team on the bio of MJ Jose J. Reyes the Date of Birth is display incorrect the correct the shoul be DOB: 30 December 1963
 * The only José J. Reyes on Wikipedia so far is for a US military general. Which article is this? Please discuss this on the article's talk page with a reliable source. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  21:51, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There isn't a birthdate shown, if you have a reliable source for the birthdate, then it can be added. And if you're looking at what Google says, it hasn't got the birthdate of 1958 from Wikipedia, you would need to contact them directly. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Paid Contributor template
Hello,

I am trying to submit an article on behalf of a client. I was told I need to use the Paid Contributor template, but I have not been able to locate the template. I have only been able to find the page that talks about the template, but not the actual template. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SRSchreiber (talk • contribs)
 * The template is at . ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)