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2000 UEFA Cup Final riots
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I would like some reccommendations on how to improve the article as I am thinking of eventually taking it to GA status.

Thanks, The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: My initial impression is that it is biased in favour of Arsenal fans. See, "Later, Galatasaray fans occupied Copenhagen's City Hall Square and started to try and provoke Arsenal fans in a nearby bar. The fans in the bar stood up to the provocation with both sides chanting at each other until bottles were thrown from both sides. " and


 * "Then, in a calculated attack seen as retaliation for the Istanbul killings, approximately 500 Arsenal fans[10] attacked from the main road behind the Galatasaray fans." This in not a neutral way of presenting the event. Who sees the attack as a retaliation? It is not NPOV to say that the Galatasaray fans tried to "provoke" the Arsenal fans but that they "stood up to" it. Improvements should be made throughout the article to present the events in a more neutral way. One way of doing so would be to try to use non-British sources, perhaps Turkish or Danish, or perhaps from third countries. That's my dominant first impression. Mostly well written, though perhaps small amount of copy editing could be useful. Peregrine981 (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. The page does already have some sources in it from Ireland and America, I'll take a look at turkish and danish papers and see if I can decipher something out of them. Are there any other parts that need work as I've reworded the parts you pointed out? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 12:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * here are a few more comments:


 * "a public disorder event" - awkward wording. A riot? A brawl? A fight?
 * "reportedly also involved fans from other clubs" - couldn't we just say that it did involve other fans?
 * "were in part a retaliation for the killing of two Leeds United fans " - might be good to qualify this. "seen by XX as..." for example, or were "a result of tension originating from" or something similar, to make it less accusatory
 * "Later, Galatasaray fans occupied Copenhagen's City Hall Square and started to try and provoke" - this doesn't really correspond to the reporting in the source cited:

This source does more closely support the above wording, but is not used as support. Some reorganisation is necessary to make attribution clear. That's it. Peregrine981 (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In the "Aftermath" section, it is mentioned that Arsenal criticised the police, but no mention is made of Galatasaray reaction. In fact, no mention is made of any official reaction by the club. Surely there was one? It should be included. Did Galatasaray warn of trouble? Did Galatasaray take any disciplinary action toward its own fans?
 * More background should probably be included regarding the initial stabbing in Istanbul. There may be English language papers from copenhagen/Istanbul that could be accessible, although it may be hard to find them online 12 years later.
 * OK, I've just done a paragraph on the Leeds history. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)