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Cambridge United F.C.
I have recently spent significant time improving this article and its related pages, and would now like independent feedback on how it can be improved and what grade the article should recieve. Many thanks Oli 12:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Foxhill's comments
This is my first peer review for another article, I apologise if any of this is overly picky.
 * Formatting
 * References should be placed directly after punctuation, see Footnotes
 * ✅ Done Oli 13:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seasons and date ranges in the article use both 1990-91 and 1990/91 format, WP:MOSNUM prefers the use of 1990–91 (using  instead of -)
 * ✅ Done Oli 13:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

History - League era - consider changing
 * Content
 * "Although it reached 10th place in the Second Division in 1981, successive relegations in 1984 and 1985, including setting a league record for most games without a win in the 1983/84 season and equalling the record for most losses in a season during 1984/85 (33), put the club back in the league's basement."

to the following (or something you feel works better)
 * "Although it reached 10th place in the Second Division in 1981, the club was relegated in 1984 (setting a league record for most games without a win) and 1985 (equalling the league record for most losses in a season). These successive relegations placed the club back in Division Four, the lowest professional league in English football at the time."

and
 * "On 22 July 2005 the club came out of administration with a deal being struck with HM Revenue and Customs at the eleventh hour, after the intervention of then sports minister Richard Caborn, but by then had been relegated to the Conference National and lost control over its ground."

to
 * "On 22 July 2005 the club came out of administration with a deal being struck with HM Revenue and Customs at the eleventh hour after the intervention of then sports minister Richard Caborn. Cambridge had sold their Abbey Stadium home earlier in the season for £1.9 million; although they lost control of the ground - the money was essential in keeping the club afloat."

History - Recent history - consider changing
 * "Jimmy Quinn was appointed manager soon after Power took charge and after a difficult settling in period (including a humiliating 5-0 loss to local village team Histon), guided Cambridge to safety including five wins from their last seven games."

to
 * "Jimmy Quinn was appointed manager soon after Power took charge and, after a difficult settling-in period which included a humiliating 5-0 loss to local village team Histon, he guided Cambridge away from another possible relegation by achieving five wins from their last seven games of the season."

Colours and badge
 * "Cambridge has had a number of different shirt manufacturers since the first was displayed on the shirt including Umbro, Nike, Patrick, Sporta and currently Vandanel"

What does 'since the first was displayed on the shirt' refer to? Sponsors from the previous paragraph or kit manufacturer? If the latter, consider -
 * "The team's kits have been manufactured by a number of companies, with Umbro providing the first strip on which a maker's logo appeared. The club have subsequently worn kits created by Nike, Patrick, Sporta and Vandanel with the latter providing the strip for the 2007-08 season."

Stadium
 * "Cambridge United currently play their matches home matches at the Abbey Stadium" lose one of the matches

Supporters
 * The placement of the references for the list in this sections seems odd to me, consider what the sources are providing and the best location for the link.
 * "Away Travel Club[15]: officially linked with the club and provides match day travel to every away game, as well as hosting various fundraising events particularly for the youth system and sponsoring senior and youth players"
 * With the ref tag here, it seems to me that the source is verifying the fact that this group exists and what their name is, the statement that follows is then unsourced.
 * "Away Travel Club: officially linked with the club and provides match day travel to every away game, as well as hosting various fundraising events particularly for the youth system and sponsoring senior and youth players[15]"
 * With the ref tag here, the source would be verifying the entire statement.

for the following prose section -
 * "In the Conference, however, attendances at the Abbey have been among the highest in the league - in the first two seasons in the league the average home gate has been 2,607[20] (2005/06 season - 4th highest in the league) and 2,815[21] (2006/07 season - 4th). Attendance at away games has also been high in recent years compared to the home gate, although a precise figure is not available due to mixed crowds in some Conference games."

consider changing to -
 * "Since relegation, attendances at the Abbey have been amongst the highest in the Conference. Cambridge's first two seasons in this league saw them post the 4th highest attendance figures in both years (2,607 in 2005-06 and 2,815 in 2006-07).[20][21]"

The away game attendance is uncertain and shouldn't be included unless a figure or general statement can be provided to back the sentence up.
 * "Other rivals include Northampton and Rushden and Diamonds (due to geographical proximity), Brentford (due to sporting rivalry during the 1990s) and, due to their recent rise to the same league as Cambridge, Histon (based in the village of Histon just north of Cambridge)"

consider
 * "Other rivalries include those with Northampton and Rushden and Diamonds (due to geographical proximity), Brentford (due to sporting rivalry during the 1990s) and local team Histon who were promoted into the Conference in ."

Players - Reserves and centre of excellence
 * "Cambridge's Centre of Excellence is widely thought regarded throughout professional football circles as one of the best in England." choose between thought and regarded

Notable managers
 * Lose the 'arguably' statements, they're not needed

Honours
 * Consider formatting to the guideline for this section at WikiProject Football/Clubs
 * Note also that Cambridge won the Southern League Cup in 1969 and were Souther League Premier Division champions for 1968-1969 and 1969-1970

Records
 * Biggest League Defeat is shown twice

External links
 * You can use the template to link to the relevant sections of the BBC Sport website as below

✅ All Done - mostly changed in accordance with suggestions save for a few minor edits Oli 15:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Following some changes to this article I feel it could be reclassified as a B-Class, however it would need a thorough copy editing by an outsider before pushing for GA. Hope this is of some help - Foxhill 18:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Dave101's comments
A few comments:

Convert this section to prose, if you want to make a list of all records then I would suggest making a new article, but in the main article you should keep the lists to a minimum. Convert this to a table.
 * Records
 * Honours
 * Not Done - reformatted, but not to a table as per WikiProject Football/Clubs guidelines Oli 15:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the guidelines - there are plenty of FA's which use tables. Guidlines aren't policy, so we can twist them a bit. Mattythewhite 11:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Use, personally I have no problem with the use of scrolling references but the general opinion is that they should be avoided, see discussions here and this AfD.
 * References
 * ✅ Done - having read the arguments on the above links, I've decided to remove the scrolling box Oli 15:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I think if you wanted to bring this article to FA standard this section would need to be expanded with content from the History aritcle, at the moment it is perhaps too brief.
 * History

Overall, I think the article is in good shape, with a few changes you should be able to bring this to GA and then push for FA status. Dave101 →talk  21:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Automated Peer Review
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question. You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Davnel03 14:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]