Wikipedia:Peer review/Donald Trump/archive1

Donald Trump
I'm looking for some detailed suggestions on how to make this article better. The long term goal here is GA or A-class. Certain sections that have been points of contention here in the past are the Lead section, Racial views, the 2019 congressional investigations and the Mueller Report. If I could have suggestions on improving these sections that is great. I would also like some suggestions on improving the article so that it better complies with NPOV, V, etc. Actually, I think V is fine.

Thanks, Mgasparin (talk) 02:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm a regular editor of the article, weighing in on one particular point, . In the case of making the article comply better with WP:V, surely all we have to do is double check if the content in the article matches the 700+ references, no? I don't think there's any way around that.  starship .paint  (talk) 04:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I struck WP:V as it's actually fine. NPOV is really where I would like the feedback. In previous GAR's and discussions, that has been a point of contention.  Mgasparin (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As background, part of what precipitates this (I think) is this recent intelligent, articulate, and AGF suggestion for a review of the article's neutrality. I was not aware of the existence of peer review and replied "if there's a mechanism for independent review of an article's general neutrality, I'm not aware of it". Despite the heading there, I think the OP's first sentence indicates they were more concerned about the article's lead than the remainder of the article. As far as we can tell, the OP has now moved on, but I think some experienced outside eyes wouldn't hurt and might help – whether that's to improve the article or bolster the regulars' view that it's acceptable as is, always subject to policy-based suggestions for improvement. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  05:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't moved on, I've just been busy at work (IRL). Mgasparin (talk) 02:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to you, you weren't the OP (original poster) there. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not a super regular contributor to the page, but I stop by occasionally and have launched a few discussions when I've noticed issues. A few months back, I did a comparative review of the leads of Donald Trump and Presidency of Donald Trump which I think might be useful here, so I'll quote myself:


 * Hopefully it's not too out of date.
 * Overall, my impression is that the Herculean amount of attention paid to the page by editors on both sides of the political spectrum has led to a good level of comprehensiveness and decently good NPOV compliance. I'm much more concerned about pages like Ronald Reagan, where one side pays a lot more attention than the other, leading to a (in my view) NPOV result. For Trump, the main concern is that so many ants are pulling sideways on it that a lot of editor effect is wasted that could have been better spent elsewhere. But I have no idea how that could practically be avoided, and even if there was some plausible method, I'd be very hesitant to adopt it—compared to Facebook/Google/the rest of the internet, the quality of our U.S. politics coverage is a remarkable achievement, and it's a boat we don't want to rock, since it may be less stable than we think. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 03:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This will probably have to go through the bureaucratic process (talk page discussion) before being implemented, but thank you very much for your comments! Mgasparin (talk) 02:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - thanks for reviewing and weighing in. On issue 3, the lede of Donald Trump does mention the withdrawal of troops in Northern Syria. It's at the end of the 2nd last paragraph. On issue 4, we've discussed it, we've had proposals to add things (including from me), but there's been some resistance that the body isn't updated enough for the lede to feature it.  starship .paint  (talk) 14:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)