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Kenwyne Jones
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because it was suggested in the Kenwyne Jones talk page. And it will help raise its quality.

Thanks,  Sunder  land  06   20:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from
In the 'background' section, is it necessary to mention the fact that he is married and has three kids? The sentence seems out of place, given that all of the rest of the background focuses on his soccer career rather than his personal life. The second paragraph of the Southampton subsection inside the "Playing Career" section needs to be better integrated. The facts mentioned look somewhat disjointed currently. Other than that, I think the article is good.

Comments from
Mostly grammatical problems.


 * Done "as a striker for the Premier..." - not really any need for "the".
 * Done "He previously played for..." - What about his other former clubs?
 * Left out "His dream was to be a footballer in England..." - not sure if this is "lead material". And it needs to be mentioned outside the lead too.
 * Changed "during the 2005 season" - the 2004–05 season?
 * Removed "After football, his favourite sports..." and "His favourite players..." - these seems a bit trivial.
 * Should i remove
 * Could you include more context on his career with Joe Public and W Connection?
 * Done Reference [10] - needs placing after punctuation.
 * Removed "and quickly became an established..." - needs a citation.
 * Done "...against Crystal Palace,[11] He scored..." - full stop instead.
 * Done "Jones was linked with a £12..." - when?
 * No ref, left out "Opta Stats who carry out..." - needs a citation.
 * Done Trinidad and Tobago national team doesn't need to be wikilinked on second usage.
 * That is a quote "...for 2007, he was surprised..." - needs rewriting.

The article's made good progression, good luck with it. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done most of the comments, but there is not much mentioning of Jones' career with the T&T teams. I want to know if i should remove the trivial sentences and i would like you to check through to see if i have done the corrections properly. As i suspect i havent. Thanks for the comments :).  Sunder  land  06   22:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You definitely need to bin the trivia about his "other" favourite sports, that's tantamount to stating what his favourite flavour of ice cream is i.e. trivial, pointless, and not especially interesting ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh.  Sunder  land  06   22:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

From people on IRC i have had views that it is ready for GAN, so i'm wondering if i should nominate it, i would like some comments to assure it first.  Sunder  land  06   20:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Daemonic Kangaroo
It seems to me that the recent copy editing has made nonsense of some of the article, especially the "Background" section. The original text said "His athleticism and lightning pace made him a bright prospect for the future but as he was yet to establish himself in the side he joined Sheffield Wednesday in September the same year for four months" which was a straight lift from the profile at SAFC.com. This was explaining the situation in his early days at Southampton. The section now ignores Southampton and implies that this is an explanation of what attracted him to Sunderland, three years later.

Changed back The copy edit has also introduced some dreadful phraseology; why "began to show the potential he contained" rather than "began to show his potential"? Likewise "He had earlier ran trials" sounds like an Americanism to me - what is wrong with "he had earlier had trials"? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments from
I think it's a good article but possibly a little light even for GA right now... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done Wikilink Finland to Finland national football team.
 * Expanded signing In general, the Southampton section is just a few "he scored x goals against y" which doesn't make for particularly sparkling prose.
 * Removed "Although Jones bought match tickets for his family for his home debut, they were unable to attend, due to lack of accommodations" - just pure trivia really.
 * Changed to a quote "he was surprised but elated at the event" - not really sure this is needed at all.

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 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]