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Liverpool F.C. in Europe
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because it needs a thorough copyedit before it can be considered for re-nomination at GA, as I have only just found the time to now address the issues that arose after the last review. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 21:58, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick drive-by comment: "Liverpool Football Club is (singular) an English professional football club based in Liverpool, Merseyside, who currently play (plural)....." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * fixed NapHit (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, given that Liverpool played up to 15 matches in Europe in a season, why is there only one team listed as "opposition"? I don't understand what that column is meant to represent...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ye granted that column was confusing, it's supposed to represent the last side they played in Europe that season, so I have amended the column to last opposition, which should end the confusion. NapHit (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments I have not been able to do a thorough check on the prose, but here are a few points I have noticed: I'm not sure that the "Last opposition" column is very helpful as it stands. It covers three things: the team that Liverpool defeated in the final of competitions they won; the team which knocked Liverpool out at some stage in competitions they didn't win; or the last team that Liverpool played in cases where they were eliminated during the group stages. I'm not sure how to resolve this, beyond adding explanatory footnotes.
 * General points
 * Somewhere in the article, the numerous European competitions which exist or have existed under various names need to be properly defined. Readers won't for example, have any idea of what the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup was, unless you explain. Reference in the lead to the "European Cup", as in: "Liverpool have won the European Cup five times", is not helpful to readers unfamiliar with the structure of European club football competitions. You should not rely on links to provide basic information.
 * You also need to explain, early on, that qualification for European competitions is based on performance in domestic competitions. You needn't go into detail in the lead, just make the point generally, though the details need to be given later in the article. Something also needs to be said about the relative prestige of the European competitions, i.e. the Champions Lague has much more kudos then the Uefa Cup.
 * I make it 21, not 20, successive seasons in which Liverpool competed in Europe: 1964–65 to 1984–85 inclusive. They were banned after the 1984–85 season.
 * Is Carragher's record of 136 appearances a club record, or is it a record for all European competitions covering all clubs?
 * It is not appropriate to refer to Gerrard as the club's "record" goal-scorer. Also, as he is still playing, his 35 goals needs a date. Thus: "As of April 2011 Steve Gerrard, with 35 goals, is the club's most prolific scorer". Likewise, I think that by "Liverpool's record win" you mean "Liverpool's biggest win".
 * Points relating to the prose
 * Sometimes the text has a non-encyclopedic tone; this is evident in phrases such as "Success was short-lived", "the second leg at Anfield started well for Liverpool", "Before kick-off, disaster struck" etc. These and similar expressions of opinion give the prose a non-neutral feel; you need to go through and rephrase these and similar incidents
 * A recurrent fault is the misuse of the comma as a connector for two separate statements in a sentence. One example - of many - is: "As a result Liverpool were entered into the 2002–03 UEFA Cup, victories over Vitesse Arnhem and Auxerre ensured Liverpool would face Celtic in an all-British quarter-final." This is two separate sentences or, at least, a semicolon rather than a comma is required in place of the comma. There are lots of similar instances throughout, which need to be fixed.
 * The word "after" is much overused, 40+ times overall, sometimes occuring more than once in a single sentence, e.g. "Three days after the final UEFA banned English clubs from Europe for an indefinite period, with a proviso added that Liverpool would serve a further three year ban after the ban on other English clubs had been lifted" and "Liverpool manager Gérard Houllier was making his return to football after undergoing heart bypass surgery after collapsing during a match against Leeds United in October."
 * There are typos in the text (e.g. "Liverpool final position of fourth..." which indicate the need for a thorough copyediting run, preferably by a non-involved editor.
 * Table

I hope these points are helpful. As I am not able to watch individual peer review pages, please use my talkpage if you wish to raise any issues with me arising from the review. Brianboulton (talk) 10:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)