Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2014 March 5

= March 5 =

Need help with summary of Nepali references / establishment of notability
Hello friends! There is a new-ish article on Kumud Pant and it's coming off as an autobiography/vanity piece to me. There are three references, one to a modeling gallery which does nothing to establish notability here, a second reference to an interview here, which also seems a little sketchy, and this article which is written in another language, that I am assuming is Nepali. (Please forgive me if I am wrong, I'm always happy to learn. ) If anyone familiar with the language can take a look and see whether or not the source, and the subject is notable, I'd appreciate it. I'm also curious if there might be another article out there on him that does a better job of establishing notability. Currently though, all the roles listed in his article look like background and incidental roles. "Man at bar" and such. If we can't get better RSes, I will probably take the article to AfD. Dhan'yavāda! (I copy/pasted that...) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: This may be a non-issue. I've nominated the article Kumud Pant for speedy deletion. The user has taken ownership of the article and is deleting talk page comments, removing constructive edits from the article, etc. You are still invited to comment, but please note there is a speedy nom. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Question about Japanese sources: How much do they talk about the Liceo Mexicano Japones? Are they independent of the school?
I found this source on a Japanese university website: It mentions the Liceo Mexicano Japones (日本メキシコ学院). Is this source significantly about the school or does it have significant content about the school? Is it independent of the school in every way? What is the name of the author? What is his/her background? What is the name of the academic journal?
 * 月本　成児 (前日本メキシコ学院日本コース:大阪府枚方市牧野小学校). "日本メキシコ学院の教育力向上に向けて." (Archive) 在外教育施設における指導実践記録. 在外教育施設における指導実践記録 32, 21-24, 2009-10-12. Tokyo Gakugei University. - See NII entry in Japanese

I also found this from a Nikkei newspaper in Brazil: Would this be a reliable source to use in the article Liceo Mexicano Japones?
 * "再浮上する日伯学園構想――第四部　日本と国際学校－（３）－日墨学院①－〝独系のような学校を〟－駐在員と共に周到に準備." (Archive) Nikkey Shimbun (ニッケイ新聞 Nikkei Shinbun, Jornal do Nikkey). ３月２７日（水）.

What about this one?
 * Soejima, K (副島 健治). "メキシコの日本語教育" (Archive). Polyglossia 11, 185-197, 2006-03. 立命館アジア太平洋大学言語研究センター. (See CiNII)

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The author is Seiji/成児 Tsukimoto/月本. He was the assistant principal of LMJ and is the princpal of Makino elementary school in Hirakata. I found this version. #5 and #6 are the reports on LMJ, #5 is written by Tsukimoto and #6 by Nakakita. The title of the yearly report is 在外教育施設における指導実践記録集 and your source is #32/第３２集. Tsukimoto's report is about what they did to improve the students' math at LMJ. There is one more page on LMJ at the Nikkei site. Soejima's "メキシコの日本語教育 is about ja education in Mexico in general. I think they are all reliable. Oda Mari (talk) 10:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I added the Jornal do Nikkei (ニッケイ新聞) articles! While Tsukimoto once worked for the school, did Nakakita ever work for the school? There may be an issue with Tsukimoto having been a former employee, but if Nakakita never was then it's another independent reliable source. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Nakakita was a teacher at LMJ from April 2006 to March 2009. 在外教育施設における指導実践記録集 are the reports by teachers who worked in Japanese schools abroad. Oda Mari (talk) 16:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you so much for your help, Mari! I know the Jornal do Nikkey are independent sources, so that should help. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Transcription and translation of Korean markings
Could anyone who speaks the language please transcribe (and, if possible, translate) the red stamps on the map Daedongyeojido, to be included on the image description page? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, after spending 3/4 of an hour of trying to load the image in my browser, then downloading it and discovering that opening it in any image viewer pretty much hangs my computer, I can see why there wasn't much response.
 * The location names on the map are all labelled in hanja. The red stamps are also in hanja, but mostly in the seal script style, which is sometimes intelligible to native speakers of Chinese.  I can recognise a few that are basic vocab sometimes done in seal script for decoration, like 學.
 * I'll upload an enlargement of some of the stamps, and lets see what the scholars think. Peter aka --Shirt58 (talk) 03:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like the same stamps all along the coastline. This is a close in as I could get to a nice clear group before my image viewing software fell over.
 * OK, starting the big, scarlet, easy to read square in the middle:
 * (In the traditional direction, top to bottom, right to left. Sorry, no pronunciation, don't know any Korean.)
 * Line 1: I dunno. Could this possibly be cursive hangul? (ㅓ is eo/ŏ, isn't it?)
 * Line 2: 大 學 校 (university)
 * Line 3: 圖 聿 (map, brush?)... erm, this is probably really simple
 * Can someone please jump in here before I make any more of a numpty of myself?--Shirt58 (talk) 06:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Line 1: 서울 (Seoul)
 * (W00t! Look at me! I recognized a word in hangul (that was probably blatantly obvious from the context) ! Look at meeeee!) --Shirt58 (talk) 10:20, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So, most likely they are labels for cities? (Also, sorry about that; forgot that most readers are unfamiliar with the issues of opening large images... Photoshop usually handles it for me) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In answer to your question, Crisco 1492: erm, no, umm, yes, ahem, kinda sorta. And also, no, and also, I don't have a clue.
 * The actual place names on the map are all written in black and in hanja. Look closely enough and you might see "平壤" for Pyongyang, "大谷" for Daegu, and "釜山" for Busan and so on.
 * As far as I can see, the stamps are perhaps the "imprimatur" of the mapping agencies that created the map and the "nihil obstat" of the associated government departments that supported its creation.
 * But, there's a very good chance I might be wrong about this.--Shirt58 (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah. Kinda get that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I can read all letter on the stamps.;
 * left top - 朝鮮承旨府圖書之印 (조선승지부도서지인), the stamp of drawing document of Seungjeongwon of Joseon
 * right top - 學部圖書(학부도서), the drawing document of Ministry of Education (at the period of Korean Empire)
 * left middle - 서울大學敎圖書(서울대학교도서), the drawing document of Seoul National University
 * right middle - 編輯局保管(편집국보관), the storage of editor room (unknown)
 * bottom - 京城帝國大學圖書章(경성제국대학도서장), the stamp of Gyeongseong Empire University(the old name of Seoul National University at the period of Korea under Japanese rule)

-- Jjw (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The left top one is actually 朝鮮總督府圖書之印 (조선총독부도서지인), the stamp of drawing document of Government-General of Korea during the period of Korea under Japanese rule. -- Shyoon1 (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * omg, you are correct. it's 總督府, not 承旨府. it's my mistake. -- Jjw (talk) 03:21, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Etymology of Yiddish איידים (pron. aye-dim) - "son-in-law"
Does anyone know of an etymology for this word? (And while i'm at it, for the word שווער pron. shver, meaning father-in-law)

The joke goes that the son-in-law take his father-in-law to court for not giving him the promised dowry. The F.I.L. denies that he ever promised any and says bring witnesses (in Hebrew: aye-dim). The S.I.L. having no witnesses says at least take an oath (in Yiddish: shver like 'swear') denying it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.212.112 (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Most likely from the same roots as the obsolete German words "Eidam" and "Schwäher" (See also Proto-Germanic "aiþumaz" and "swehuraz" at Wiktionary as well as this etymology of "Eidam"). ---Sluzzelin talk  19:35, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitely like Sluzzelin says. Older Yiddish books that use German-style spellings use and &lrm;, which correspond exactly to the German forms. The joke is just a joke.  הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 01:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I would assume "Schwäher" and "Schwieger" have a related etymology... AnonMoos (talk) 09:41, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As does Schwager/Schwägerin. See also wikt:sweor הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 20:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)