Wikipedia:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 4

GayFest photos
Hi, would anyone in Bucharest be able to take some photos of the GayFest parade, to be inserted into the relevant article? I know this is a bit of late notice, but the photos would be very useful, considering the importance of the festival in the context of Romanian civil rights. Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 09:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't need any fag photo. They are enough of them in wikipedia. Anonimu 11:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And we don't need any intolerance here. And while we're here, I can just as well say "we don't need any more Orthodox icons and crosses here, so take them off you user page. There are enough of them in Wikipedia". Equal? Ah, but, no, you don't want to live in a Romania of equality. [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 12:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not intolerance. But i don't think that people with psyhic disorders should get their photos all over a neutral encyclopedia. Anonimu 12:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) It is intolerance. By stating that "we don't need any fag photo", you're being intolerant towards LGBT people, and are trying to minimise coverage of LGBT issues on Wikipedia. Isn't opposing LGBT content intolerance? 2) Homosexuality is not a psychic disorder. Read more widely. 3) The status of homosexuality has nothing to do with its coverage on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that covers a broad range of information. Writing articles about LGBT issues doesn't go against neutrality principles, even though it may lead to systemic bias. The fact that Wikipedia has many LGBT-related articles just means that the LGBT community is overrepresented here, in the same way that Europeans are overrepresented here in comparison to Africans. By documenting the GayFest, we are just furthering the goal of Wikipedia, to inform people. Any form of informative addition to Wikipedia should be encouraged, as long as it's written in a neutral way, without mattering what subject type it is. 4) It doesn't cost anything to tolerate. Think about this. This applies not only to LGBT people, but to people who are different that you in general. [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline Today, solidarity and hope 12:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Cu ce ajuta o poza cu oameni destrabalandu-se wikipedia? Cat despre conditia medicala numita homosexualitate: timp de sute de ani a fost considerata o boala, pana cand un homosexual a pus mana pe o diploma universitara si a inceput sa scrie pseudo-stiinta. In studiile contemporane nu poti avea incredere. In vest, aluzia la faptul ca homosexualitatea nu e tocmai naturala echivaleaza cu sinuciderea stiintifica. Nu am nimic impotriva homosexualilor in sine. Ii respect si cred ca ar trebui sa primeasca tratament de specialitate ca toti ceilalti bolnavi psihici. Sa le refuzi acest lucru e adevarata discriminare. Anonimu 12:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you? Stuck in the 1950s? - FrancisTyers 13:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Cât timp avem articol despre GayFest, poza ar face articolul mult mai puternic. La fel cum un articol despre Metroul din Bucureşti ar fi mai puternic cu nişte poze ale metroului. Pozele ar arăta comunitatea gay din România, la fel cum sunt poze cu festivalul pride din Brazilia sau Germania. Cât cu homosexualitatea ca boală psihică: nu poate să fie boală cât timp nu influenţează pacientul într-un mod negativ. În lumea vestică sunt foarte mulţi homosexuali care au o viaţă normală, vor să îşi trăiască viaţa, nu afectează pe nimeni şi nu suferă. Deci, ce rost ar avea tratamentul, care în orice caz este aproape imposibil? Cât timp homosexualitatea în sine nu afectează persoana într-un mod negativ, este mai degrabă o diferenţă precum scrisul cu mână strângă. [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 12:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * PArca am avea poze la toate articolele cu romania si asta ne mai lipsea. Si homosexualitatea afecteaza viata. Ams cris unele din modurile in care o afecteaza undeva mai jos. Anonimu 13:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Am încercat să cer poze şi pentru metroul bucureştean, şi a oraşului în general, şi vezi că în articolele unde am fost involvat eu, sunt multe poze. Şi încerc să fie cât de multe poze la articolele cu teme româneşti, inclusiv GayFest. Ţi-am răspuns la argumentul de mai jos despre influenţa homosexualităţii pentru "agenţi externi" (hai să zicem, externalităţiile activităţii homosexuale). [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 13:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Cat timp ai trait in Romania? Anonimu 13:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Nu avem nevoie de perversiune mai multă decât e aici. Parada asta este un semn că România se duce de râpă. Şi nu văd ce are de-a face parada asta cu drepturile civile. Ei au aceeaşi drepturi ca toată lumea--pot să se căsătorească cu cine vor, cât timp ce persoanele sunt de sexuri diferite. Exact aceeaşi condiţii Se aplică la toţi cetăţenii români. Situaţia cu Art. 201 era la fel: puteau să aiba relaţii sexuale cu oricine, cât timp ce persoanele era de sexuri opuse. Că ei vor drepturi speciale nu ne pasă; ar trebui să-şi dea seama că ce fac ei este imoral şi să se pocăiască înainte să fie prea târziu. Biruitorul
 * He-he! That's the solution to every problem: POCĂIŢIVĂ! :-) bogdan 12:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Greu mai e cu limba asta română. Anonimu 12:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Era sarcasm. Am întâlnit pe internet destui care chiar spuneau aşa... :-) bogdan 12:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Că este o perversiune este opinia ta. Pentru mine, parade este un semn că România merge în faţă. Cât cu drepturile civile - nu vezi cât de nonsens pare argumentul tău? "Pot să se căsătorească cu cine vor, cât timp ce persoanele sunt de sexuri diferite"? Ce înseamnă asta? Este la fel cum ai spune: "maghiarii au dreptul să vorbească limba lor, pentru că se pot adresa în limba română când vor". Situaţie unde căsătoria este doar între un bărbat şi o femeie este tocmai discriminatorie, pentru că doar se ştie că gay-ii nu se pot căsători cu persoane de alt sex. Legea română la ora actuală este discriminatorie fiind că este extrem de heteronormativă. Ei nu cer drepturi speciale sau mai multe decât orice alt român. Tot ce vor este să îşi exprime sexualitatea şi cultura într-un mod egal, nu să se fie forţaţi să se supună la normele hetero. La fel cum minorităţile etnice nu ar trebui să fie supuse la asimilare forţată în cultura română. Că tu crezi că ei sunt imorali nu are voie să fie punctul de vedere al statului, care este neutrul şi secular. Eu unul vreau să trăiesc într-o ţară tolerantă, egală şi deschisă, nu într-o societate intolerantă şi discriminatorie. [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 12:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Romania o merge in fata... poate ca racu. Asa e ma casatoria in romania e discriminatorie. Sunt revoltat ca nu pot sa ma casatoresc cu un bebelus de un an sau cu scroafa lu bunica'mea. Ce cultura au ma homosexualii? De cand se defineste cultura in functie de ce futi? Maine-poimaine o sa aud de cultura felationista. Comparatia cu minoritatile etnice nu isi are locul aici Anonimu 12:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Primul argument care persoanele anti-gay dau împotriva drepturilor LGBT sunt "şi pedofilii şi zoofilii vor cere drepturile lor". Nu este argumentul despre aceste grupuri, este despre persoane LGBT. Punct. Deci comparaţia cu bebeluşul nu ţine, sau cu scroafa. Căsătoria între doi bărbaţi sau două femei este un contract voluntar care nu afectează pe nimeni altcineva, pe când căsătoria cu minorii sau animalele este diferită fiind ca aceastea nu pot să intre în acest contract, ne fiind responsabile legal. Deci pică comparaţia. 2) Ei păi tocmai asta este: că tu vezi homosexualitatea doar prin sex. Nu este aşa - este şi o relaţie iubitoare, şi există experimare culturală LGBT, în acelaşi fel cum există cultură feministă, etc. Persoanele LGBT doar vor dreptul să-şi trăiască viaţa cum vor ei, şi nu afectează pe nimeni. Ce te costă pe tine să îi tolerezi? 3) Comparaţie cu minorităţile etnice este foarte relevantă. Minorităţile etnice şi sexuale amândouă vor să aibă libertatea să îşi exprime felul de viaţă. Bineînţeles, există unele diferenţe. Dar dece spui că comparaţia nu îşi are loc? [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 12:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * De la Moise incoace au fost considerate toate categorii de boli psiho-sexuale. Ca s-a trezit unii cu bani si influenta sa zica ca nu e nu e un motiv ptr ca acest lucru sa se schimbe. De cand bolnavii psihici au responsabilitate legala? Cultura feminista ?!?;)) Se duce lumea de rapa. Persoanele poponare afecteaza societatea foarte mult. Prin faptul ca sunt acceptati ca sanatosi ii influenteaza pe unii pusti mai slabi ca, in timpul crizei puberale, sa capete convingerea eronata ca sunt homosexuali. Si in plus, duc si la imbatranirea populatiei si eventual la disparitia speciei. Minoritatile etnice/lingvistice/religioase/rasiale nu sunt bolnave psihice si de cele mai multe ori au o cultura profund impamantenita prin traditie si iluminare spirituala. Anonimu 12:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Dar homosexualii nu sunt bolnavi psihici. Nu se comportă aşa şi condiţia lor nu le influenţează viaţa într-un mod negativ în sine (că contextul social al homosexualităţii, şi reacţia altora, îi face să sufere este altceva). Da, cultura feministă. Vezi arta lui Barbara Kruger. Folosind argumentul tău, "persoanele poponare" (termen haios, din cauza combinaţiei tonului formal cu "slang") nu sunt mai rele decât persoanele hetero care n-au copii. Şi aceştia duc la îmbătrânirea populaţiei. Nu poţi să condamni fiecare persoană care nu face copii. Cu homosexualii care am vorbit, majoritatea au ştiut că sunt homosexuali înainte de a fi confruntaţi cu influenţă profundă externă. Plus că influenţele heterosexuale sunt de un milion de ori mai puternice decât cele homosexuale. Pe când homosexualii au paradă o dată pe an, poze cu femei şi bărbaţi în cuplu vezi întotdeauna. Deci nu prea poţi să spui că homosexualii sunt vicioşi în a recruta tinerii să fie homosexuali, dacă acest lucru este posibil în orice caz. Şi, ţine minte de un lucru: nimeni nu alege să fie homosexual, fiind că dece ar alege să trăiască într-o lume unde este tratat ca cetăţean de clasa a doua? [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 13:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sunt la fel de sanatosi ca necrofilii. Contextul social e una dintre cele mai importante aspecte ale vietii (Omul e o fiinta sociabila), asa ca atitudinea celorlati e hotaratoare. Arta nu presupune neaparat cultura. Arta doamnei aleia e parte integranta a culturii americane. Persoanele sanatoase ce au posibilitati materiale de a sutine un copil si care nu fac copii si nu se dedica unei vieti de cunoastere a menirii umane pot fi puse in accesi categoria cu homosexualii si pot fi condamnati. Porunca biblica e Cresteti si va înmultiti si umpleti pamantul si-l supuneti. Opozitia voluntara la aceasta e o crima impotriva umanitatii. Desigur persoanele care fac copii (multi) in ciuda incapacitatii de a le oferi conditii satisfacatoare de viata apartin unei categorii apropiate. Daca majoritatea au stiut inainte sa fie influentati, cum se face ca nr de homosexuali la mia de locuitori a crescut exponential in lumea occidentala in ultimii 50 de ani? Nu exista influente heterosexule. Asta este lumea... nu poti sa spui ca existenta soarelui are o influenta puternica asupra psihicului, deoarece este ceva natural si irefutabil. Homosexualii nu recruta tinerii direct, dar prezenta lor in toata mass-media influenteaza o categorie de adolescenti. Oameni se nasc homosexuali intr-o foarte mica masura (datorita unei mutatii a unei regiuni din creier), majoritatea homosexualilor sunt facuti. Anonimu 13:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the problem is how marriage is defined. Whay gay communities around the world try to do is change the definition to cover homosexual relationships. While I am against gay discrimination, I am also against gay parenthood and gay marriage (I would vote this way). I precise more: I would be for a same-sex union that is not called marriage, but which grants the same tax/inheritance/etc rights as marriage, but not the right to adopt children. Dpotop 12:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, a lot of people think like that. I think that's just one perspective of marriage, and I think most LGBT people in Romania would be happy with just civil unions. On the other hand, I just don't see the point of giving gay and straight couples practical equality, but calling their partnership a different name just because... well, just because they somehow have to have different names. But, as I said, for most LGBT rights organisations, it's the rights that count, not the semantics. As to gay adoption, I agree that this is more controversial than marriage and to be perfectly honest, I've only supported gay adoption and parenthood recently. However, I have personally talked to same-sex couples in other parts of Europe, and combined with scientific studies, I can say that the family environment in these contexts is not much different from a heterosexual couple. [[Image:Gay flag.svg|20px]] Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 12:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Ceauşescu's salary
There appears to be an inconsistency in our discussion of Ceauşescu's official salary. I don't know much about this one, so I'm not the one to clear it up. Please see question at Talk:Nicolae Ceauşescu. - Jmabel | Talk 04:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ploieşti
Hi. Is anyone here from Ploieşti? I've found two beautiful photos of the city at Flickr (see Image:Central Ploiesti.jpg - especially the wonderful yellow buses - and Image:Ploiesti view.jpg) and I'd like to expand the article, making it similar to that of Bucharest. However, I really know barely anything in detail about the city (I've been there once, but that's about all), and it would be great to get some help from a local. We can get the article up to FA status, even. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 02:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Bucharest Metro station infoboxes
Hi. I've created an infobox to be applied to every Bucharest Metro station: Template:Bucharest metro stations. For testing purposes, I have included it in Pipera metro station and Piaţa Unirii metro station. There are still a few issues with it, and I would like some feedback as to its presentation and what it should contain. More specifically, it envisages moving the next/previous station box from the bottom of each article to the top of the infobox, just below the title. Is this a good idea? Or should the indicator box remain where it is, and the infobox should only contain information about what lines it is serviced by. For comparison, see Moorgate tube station for the London tube infobox, which doesn't include the next/previous station indicator.

Also, the box is, at the moment, quite short on information. What other information could be included? AFAIK, we don't have access to the statistics such as passenger use, etc (whereas the London tube stations do have this information). But is there any other statistic or information that would be useful and that could be applied to most, if not all, stations? Thanks, Ronline ✉ 11:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just read one of these Sector Bucharest articles. My opinion: boring and useless info. No offence to anyone. The articles are very short, so no-one should take offence to what I said. There are so many other things about Ro that should be covered, yet you choose to write about some gay Sector in Bucharest. --Candide, or Optimism 09:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the sectors are just administrative units which are not very cohesive. For example, Sector 5 includes both Cotroceni and Ferentari. :-) bogdan 09:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was the thing I found odd about Sector 5, even though Cotroceni is in both Sector 5 and 6 (see Cotroceni). But, still, there are some trends that can be observed among the sectors, particularly due to the growing north-south divide in Bucharest. Sector 5 is the most disadvantaged sector (is it not?) and it votes PSD more than, say, Sectors 1 or 6, in line with the rest of the country's voting patterns based on income. In any case, as long as the sectors do hold some political-administrative power, we can't pass them off as being unimportant. Most counties are, IMO, just as arbitrarily defined. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 10:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the articles have barely even been created yet, so obviously they're short. However, I think the information is very useful. Sector 3 (Bucharest), for example, is longer and provides good info. The sectors' websites are quite clunky and confusing, and overall there is quite little organised information about Bucharest's sectors. Particularly, knowing things like the party composition of sectorial councils is quite valuable info that reflects political demographics in Bucharest and is also interesting from a statistical point of view. It was quite odd that Bucharest's sectors had no articles yet, when most other major cities have articles on their political divisions. I'm assuming that if I wrote about the districts of Iaşi, you wouldn't say the same thing? [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 09:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Just another note - I think political geography information is lacking quite significantly. The Sector 3-like table should be included for most major cities so that people can see the political composition of the Local Council and hence the voting patterns of the people. I will implement this at some other cities, it is already implemented at Copşa Mică (surprisingly Justice and Truth dominated), Oradea, Salonta, Cluj-Napoca and Craiova. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 09:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
I started a Request for Mediation for the following users:

They revert and destroy the article of Vlachs of Serbia where they don't allow romanians to say that they speak romanian language, that is in a country where not even a Church they are not allowed to have it. They revert any relationship between Romanians/Moldovans/Vlachs.

Their edits are exclusive, missleading and false. --Andrei George 15:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For simplicity, here is the link to the RFMs WP:RFM . I believe you should give more details, Andrei. Right now, the RfM's look a bit too general. Dpotop 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Andrei, I think it's important to get your facts right before starting an RfM in the Vlachs of Serbia issue. I won't talk about the Moldovan-related pages, since that's much more controversial. In any case - I think Panonian's version of the Vlachs of Serbia article makes it quite clear that this group is cognate to Romanians, and speaks a language that is commonly considered to be Romanian, of the same variety as standard Romanian. The reason why the link can't be made clearer is simply because some Eastern Romance peoples in Serbia declare Vlach ethnicity and "Vlach language" (whatever that may be...) Remember though that the Serbs do allow people to say they speak the Romanian language, which is in fact an official language of Vojvodina. As to the church issue, that may be a problem in terms of religious freedom, but one that's not directly to ethnicity (Romania doesn't have a national church, neither does Serbia). And, yes, minority rights in Serbia are generally less than those in Romania. The minority rights situation of the Vlachs of Serbia could be mentioned in the article (I think it already is). [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 01:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The latest reincarnation of your friend Bonny was permabanned, so you may relax, Ronline. --Ghirla -трёп- 07:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Bilingual names for Romanian towns
I'm thinking of adding bilingual names for all Romanian towns where the minority population exceeds 20%. According to Law 215/2001, minorities which exceed 20% of the total population can use their own language in the public administration, education and have the right to bilingual signage. In this way, that language can be seen as "co-official" to Romanian. For this reason, I think it would be good for us to add the respective name under the Romanian name on the infobox, and perhaps mention somewhere in the Infobox that the municipality/town/commune is bilingual in Romanian and Hungarian/Romani/Serbian/etc (see articles on Koper, Slovenia and Turku, Finland, both of which are officially bilingual). I have implemented this at the article on Budeşti, where Romani is co-official, and at Oradea, where Hungarian is co-official. What do you think? Ronline ✉ 08:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Funny thing, the Romani writing you used for Budesti. Looks just like Romanian with diacritics expressed using combinations of letters. Many use this on IRC. The two writings are in fact homophonic, a bit like Müller versus Mueller in German. Is it always so, or are there names that are not homophonic? Dpotop 08:59, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm researching more on this, but as far as I'm aware, very few Romanian localities actually have localised Romani names (most of them just use the Romanian). I used the "Budeshti" version since Romani does not contain the letter "ş". However, if there is no established Romani variant, convention stipulates that the Romanian name should be used (in the same way that "München" is user as the Romanian-language version). There are some names that are not homophonic - Bucharest is known as rmy:Bukureshta in Romani. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 09:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer. And I have yet another question: Regardless of assumed or perceived Romani ethnicity, or mother tongue, are there estimates of how many people are using Romani in everiday life? Dpotop 01:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Romania in the Middle Ages
Could I ask people to take a look at the issue I raise at Talk:Romania in the Middle Ages? I think there is copyvio material in the article (anonymously added last month). Greier claims to have written it, and claims that Ion Calafeteanu (from whom I believe it is plagiarized) actually plagiarized him, rather than vice versa. Along the way to claiming that, he calls me several things that clearly violate WP:CIVIL. Given his attacks on me, I'd really appreciate it if someone else will help sort this out. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

This situation is becoming very ugly

 * As I've expressed, I believe User:Greier added (and now deliberately re-added) material to Romania in the Middle Ages at least some of which has copyright problems. No one else seems to be stepping in on the matter, and he is now saying that I should not be involved in the article because of my nationality:please see his comments to me at Talk:Romania in the Middle Ages and then following with this edit summary—"(changed my mind... hahaha haha ha!!! if anyone sees anything plagiarised, is free to mention it in talk page... americans not included.)"


 * I ask the rest of you to consider how you would feel about an edit summary on an article that specifically said that Romanians were not qualified to object to copyright violations. But I will duck out of it, because, frankly, I don't believe that I can continue to interact with Greier and stay within appropriate limits of civility myself.


 * Will someone else who works on Romanian topics please go through the article, look through the portions that are not cited to the (public domain) LOC country study for material that raises copyright problems, and deal with it? I'm taking the article off of my watchlist. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Romanians
Moved to talk page.

Romania in the Middle Ages
I've been doing some pretty serious editorial work on Romania in the Middle Ages, and tracking down citations. It could still use a lot more. In particular, I'm guessing that if one large section was nearly verbatim from a U.S. Library of Congress country study (perfectly legal, public domain, but should be acknowledged), then some of the rest came from similar (as yet unacknowledged) sources. Also, I have quite a few questions on the talk page if anyone knowledgable would like to take a look. - Jmabel | Talk 03:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian population
Moved to the talk page.

Military Museum in Bucharest
I was told by someone that at the Military Museum in Bucharest there is a "splendid diorama of Vaslui." Okay, who has a digital camera above 6.1 megapixels? I need someone to go there and take some good shots of whatever is there. Anyone? --Candide, or Optimism 23:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * DIORAMAS? Need we go into Kitschland again? Dahn 04:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, on this one I have to support Anittas. We are not creating art here, but providing information. If the diorama is indeed that good at conveying historical info, why not? However, we also need to take care about copyrights held by the museum itself (so that publishing the diorama here may not be acceptable). Dpotop 09:10, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I remember, they charge about 1 leu per picture, if you want to take photos inside the museum. I'm not sure whether this tax includes copyrights, but I have seen a photo from the Village Museum on wiki released under GPL by User:Gutza, who says that if you pay the supplementary fee, the pictures are yours. I may go take some photos there when I get the time, maybe this week. But my camera is only 4 Mpixels. Andrei Stroe 11:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you really go there and take photos? If you do, take many of them so that we can choose the best. Thx. --Candide, or Optimism 14:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I can go this week, most probably next week. I'll take as many as I can afford.Andrei Stroe 06:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * What!?! I don't think they have the right to charge you on a per-picture basis (unless it's some sort of bribe). They can either ban photography outright in the museum, or they can allow it, and in the case that they allow it, they shouldn't be allowed to control the number of pictures you take. What, so they stand around there watching and charging 1 leu? That seems odd. But a photo would be a nice, since the Battle of Vaslui article is shaping up nicely. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 04:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think they can charge people for the amount of photos they take, but they can charge them for getting permission to take photos. Has anyone been to that museum and witnessed this diorama? --Candide, or Optimism 05:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree it is stupid. But I went there about two years ago, with a friend who wanted to take pictures, and the charge per picture taken was official (it was written on an information panel, so it was no bribe). I hope their policy changed, although I don't know how they can check how many pictures I take, except for having someone stand by me at all times. My friend gave up taking pictures at the time and we just went to look arround. I think there was a diorama, I don't remember exactly, but I do remember that Ştefan cel Mare's battles were all well ilustrated, it was one of the best parts of the museum. What I also liked there was that they had many interesting pieces of weaponry, as well as military outfits (from the middle ages fighting outfits to NATO uniforms). And in their back yard, there are heavy weapons, such as tanks, radars, cannons, a military helicopter. There is plenty of photo material there. I only have to see when I get the time to go there. Andrei 11:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a preview of the Military Museum contents. Andrei 08:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Vaslui is not in that list. I'm going to try and contact them and ask them about it. Thx. --Candide, or Optimism 10:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, they don't seem to have their contact info posted. Ugh... --Candide, or Optimism 11:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Some very nationalist edits
I'd appreciate it if someone besides me would look into the recent edits of User:129.241.81.103 (talk • contribs). My quick impression is that these edits (often deletions) are often very POV and nationalist. I've run across two pretty blatant examples: something of an attempted de-Magyarization of Béla Bártok, and the removal of (cited) remarks in Magda Lupescu on the status of Jews in late 19th century Romania and the unusualness of her father having been a Jewish pharmacist. - Jmabel | Talk 19:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Matila Ghyka
Does anyone know anything about this author? She was Romanian and I assume she moved to France. Her books are still popular. Just google her name and see that her books are sold worldwide. In practice, she's more popular on the international scene than Eminescu and Cosbuc put together. We should have an article about her. --Candide, or Optimism 22:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * "She" was a man. :-) bogdan 22:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, my mistake (Google had his part of blame: ) --Vlad|-> 23:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we can include that too in the article. --Candide, or Optimism 22:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * His memoires were translated and published in Romanian recently: bogdan 22:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that, but I have no intentions in aquiring that book. I have too much on my mind right now; but an article would be in order. Well, I might create the article this week, if no-one else does it. --Candide, or Optimism 23:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Poza lui Stefan cel Mare
Nu este posibil sa adaugam poza originala a lui Stefan in loc de poza cu iconul refacut? Aici este poza originala, la manastirea Putna. Stiu ca majoritatea din voi sunteti boieri de Bucuresti, dar niciunul din voi nu a trecut prin Moldova ca sa ia o poza? Nici macar nu avem un articol despre acele manastiri; in schimb avem articole despre orice strada si stalp din Bucuresti, de parca cuiva iar pasa. LOL! --Candide, or Optimism 06:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with people writing about what they know. Why blame Bucharesters for writing about Bucharest? As for the picture, it's clearly PD, so use it! - Jmabel | Talk 05:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Bucharest Metro pictures
Hi. I've noticed that User:Xanthar has contributed a lot of good information about stations on the Bucharest Metro network - see for example Basarab metro station. However, what we are lacking at the moment are some pictures of metro trains, stations, etc. It would be great if any users in Bucharest have any photos of metro stations that they can share or upload to Commons so that they can be used in these articles. Additionally, photos of the outside of the new trains, and of the new M4 stations would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 06:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I only found one pic in my collection, it isn't particularly good and I'm not sure which metro station it is of, but take a look here: Image:Metro station in bucharest june 2003 c.jpg original: . I see you already uploaded it, well I uploaded a cropped version too then :) - FrancisTyers 13:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool! I actually quite like that picture, it conveys the mood of the metro very well. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 06:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's Timpuri Noi metro station. bogdan 12:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I added some photos of metro stations on my daily track (M2 stations). Others will, hopefully, follow soon.Andrei Stroe 16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Diacritics
Moved to talk page.

DACIA Logan Combi Concept
Anybody that knows a thing or two about automobiles care to update the Dacia Logan article with some information abut this new model? As a non-driving woman I don't speak that lingo so I cannot do it. Dunemaire 18:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Romanian Corvinus library?
Hello. Any of you knows whether something resembling a Romanian Corvinus library exists? My problem is that some guys are now pushing the revisionist Hungarian POV, and they are very well served by this collection of documents and by Wikipedia practice that about any source is acceptable (even if it's obvious propaganda, and doesn't even talk about actual facts). Dpotop 08:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can look at Batthyaneum library in Alba Iulia :)CristianChirita 09:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the Batthyaneum really concentrates on anti-Hungarian stuff like the Corvinus library (www.hungarian-history.hu) concentrates on anti-Romanian stuff?
 * Of course, you must take here my "anti-Romanian/anti-Hungarian" expressions in a mild sense. What I want to say is that, for instance, the Corvinus library is for me the reference in terms of documents supporting the immigrationist theories on the origins of the Romanians. Or for stuff related to Lord Rothermere, a.s.o. Dpotop 16:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry i was thinking about the Matei Corvin library, one of the most valuable in the world.The Batthyaneum concentrate some part of the Corvinian heritage.

The most attacked stuff regarding the hungarian history is the Anonimus chronicle (Gesta). Also there are some materials from Vatican library and also a russian chronicle. But be aware the dispute can be endless, a part of hungarian historians support the ideea that the Anonimus chronicle was a fantastic story. Still the best source for us, regarding our history, are still the old hungarian books (in Johannes de Thurocz chronicle you can find the moldavian flag in battle, in Kepes Kronika you can find depicted Posada battle), and some documents from the catholic church. (according to some historians first rulers of Valahia were catholics.) There are also a lot of books where the origins of the romanians are treated fairly. ( one was translated in romanian by Humanitas) But as some hungarians say: being a Hungarian is, above all, a state of mind :)

We can only show the materials proof of our continuity. http://dmoz.org/World/Rom%c3%a2n%c4%83/%c5%9etiin%c5%a3%c4%83/%c5%9etiin%c5%a3e_sociale/Arheologie/Situri_%c5%9fi_monumente/ http://www.archweb.cimec.ro/scripts/ARH/RAR-Index/selen.asp And the best will be to use the Genographic project in order to find our roots and to settle the dispute.CristianChirita 17:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Negoescu, 1980B
Who is this Ro? I found this: Species Haliophasma adinae (Negoescu, 1980B) --Candide, or Optimism 21:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Dr.Ileana Negoescu - lookie here: Dunemaire 22:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Moldova
I noticed that "Administrative divisions" section of Moldova article the raioane links actually point to cities rather than to subdivisions, eg Floreşti istead of Raionul Floreşti, and so on. I cannot fix it myself today: something wrong with computer. Can anyone? mikka (t) 00:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Romanians in Northern Transylvania
I archived the previous discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board. Dpotop 08:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)