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SydBus route templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete - F ASTILY   05:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Unused. --TheImaCow (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * SydBus Route Type
 * SydBus Route Via
 * SydBus Route Destination
 * SydBus Operator Link
 * SydBus Route Origin
 * Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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Template:AFB game box end

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:End. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC) These templates all perform the same function, to add  at the end of a table to close it. Nothing else. End already does that. There is no need to create a separate closing template for each and every type of table. Nothing to merge, just a simple replacement. I've placed the notification in a noinclude so it won't mess up the tables. If anyone thinks otherwise, feel free to remove the noinclude. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * AFB game box end
 * Componentbox end
 * Rityep/end
 * Tllsep/end
 * Game log end
 * Election box end
 * Tmolep/end
 * Officeholder table end
 * Rugby squad end
 * Cycling past winner end
 * Galaxybox end
 * Starbox end
 * Orbitbox end
 * RU squad end
 * Museum end
 * Species table/end
 * OWL standings end
 * CTableEnd
 * OWL game log end
 * CDL standings end
 * Cricket match box end
 * Company-list table end
 * Criminal case law end
 * Redirect or keep, otherwise we won't be able to find unmatched pairs (i.e., potentially unterminated tables) with Petscan's "what links here". Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good point about helping wiki-gnomes. Are there advantages/disadvantages for that purpose of redirect vs transclusion? DMacks (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * DMacks, so there are basically four options: (1) replace and delete, (2) redirect, (3) replace content of the template code with  and (4) do nothing (leave it alone).  I am advocating for Option 2, but would be happy with or Option 3 or Option 4.  The only advantage of Option 3 or 4 over Option 2 is that some people see redirects as bad and replace them, which could increase the amount of work for gnomes.  As far as Petscan is concerned, Options 2, 3, and 4 are all equivalent. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  14:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, in case people aren't familiar with how Petscan works here, try this scan which is currently identifying Biggleswade Rugby Club as potentially having an unterminated table. This may be fixed shortly :) Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  14:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for so clearly laying out the options! DMacks (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't petscan work exactly the same if you add End to "Has none of these templates"? --Gonnym (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Gonnym, not if it has multiple tables of different types using end on the same page. Of course, if there are multiple tables of the same type, both are equally bad.  Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  15:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, then this issue is probably a non-issue, as the first link I looked at (1997 Denver Broncos season) for the first template I listed (AFB game box end) has 20 uses of that template on that page. --Gonnym (talk) 15:09, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * An issue in some cases is not a non-issue :) Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I see some variation in whether the  is wrapped in . I can't think of a reason something so simple needs to be wrapped like that, especially since it will now be used in many contexts not as well self-documented by the unified template-name. Lots of docs will have to be updated. DMacks (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Transclude or keep (Plastikspork's options 3/4 not 1/2). Helping editors and gnomes is important (I oppose option 1 based on others' comments, and I further note that if we have nested tables (ugh) the more specific name clarifies which is being closed) and I see no harm. I think having a redirect (option 2) means each does not have its own documentation. For 1/2, we have to have a single /doc that says generically "it is used as the end-marker for the following templates (see each for further information)...[bullet-list]". That means there is a long list unrelated to any given editor's reason for looking there and no specific content that may be useful for a given context. For 3/4, each's own /doc (or pointer to the associated table-start template's doc) makes a more self-documenting set that can have an on-topic and detailed set of docs linked from itself. IMO there should be a single /doc for the whole [start, entry, end] set of templates on a topic. An item on my MOS/feature wishlist is standardizing explanatory footnotes for tables, so if one type of table decides to use a certain ref group-name, the table-end could include its reflist. DMacks (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please redirect (or leave alone) for the sanity of gnomes who look at wikicode and template transclusions to try to figure out why tables aren't working quite right. Also, something intelligent will have to be done with documentation of these templates if this merge happens. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * something intelligent will have to be done with documentation of these templates if this merge happens you mean like saying "use end to close the table."? I'm struggling to understand why updating the /doc is even an issue. --Gonnym (talk) 15:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect (as the creator of Species table/end - they all do the same thing so they don't need to be separate templates, but "end" is ambiguous and having a domain-specific name makes it much easier to the casual editor what each part of the tri-part templates do. -- Pres N  15:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: What's with all these /doc fearmongering comments? Have you never seen a shared template? End is used on over 40,000 pages, with a lot of "start/body/end" style templates already using this without any problems, including Canadian election result which has over 8.6k transclusions. A different template, Archive bottom is used by many other templates, yet does not list each one in the /doc. Editors aren't stupid. --Gonnym (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect all, including Template:End, to Template:!). There is zero reason for so many templates that all do literally the same thing. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect all per above discussion. Really there's no need for so many templates to do the same thing. The preferable target would be End because it's plain English, as compared with the punctuated "!)" which is likely to be confusing to most editors. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * redirect to end. Frietjes (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * redirect to end. This is seriously pedantic, but whatever. Praemonitus (talk) 13:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to end. –Fredddie™ 18:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * redirect to end. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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ABS-CBN navboxes
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 July 21. (non-admin closure) TheTVExpert (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ABS-CBN_comedy_shows
 * ABS-CBN_current_affairs_shows
 * ABS-CBN_documentary_&_magazine_shows
 * ABS-CBN_drama_anthologies
 * ABS-CBN_drama_series
 * ABS-CBN_game_shows
 * ABS-CBN_informative_shows
 * ABS-CBN_kid-oriented_shows
 * ABS-CBN_newscast_shows
 * ABS-CBN_reality_shows
 * ABS-CBN_talk_shows
 * ABS-CBN_variety_shows
 * ABS-CBN_youth-oriented_shows
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Template:EngvarC spelling
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The result of the discussion was Replace and delete. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC) Replace single use with Canadian English. Gonnym (talk) 08:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * EngvarC spelling
 * Replace and delete per nom. EngvarC is a confusing name whereas Canadian English is quite straightforward in its purpose. No need to have templates doing the same thing.--Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete per nom and Tom (LT). –Fredddie™ 18:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete per nom. Agree wholeheartedly. —MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete The added sentence on Canadian English about ('aboot') terms being different or absent from other varieties of English is helpful, and the name is more meaningful. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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Template:User page rounded
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:User page. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * User page
 * User page rounded
 * Userpage blue border
 * Userpage blue border rounded

Propose merging Template:User page rounded, Template:Userpage blue border, and Template:Userpage blue border rounded with Template:User page.

User page has parameters for rounding the border and all of the other variations that User page rounded, Userpage blue border, and Userpage blue border rounded employ. They should all be turned in wrappers, which will not affect their display, but will simplify their code a lot and keep them all synced. There are already some minor examples of them drifting out of sync (for instance, the "original page" link displays for most of them as an external link, but that was fixed at User page). &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace at the very least the rounded ones with User page - there is no need for a wrapper. User page has a yes parameter exactly for this usage. Either replace or create a wrapper for the Blue border one. --Gonnym (talk) 08:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral. Whatever you nice people decide, please don't take too long so the popular and highly visible Template:User page can be displayed normally again without that little distracting notice on top. Cordially,  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  23:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete per nom. I appreciate that editors can customise their pages using templates of their choice. However it is much easier to keep these up to date by having a single customisable template than four separate ones. Additinally I highly support making it easy for editors to edit by merging similar templates; hence I support this proposal. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace, redirect or merge per nom. CruzRamiss2002 (talk) 11:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 18:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 04:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge It is way simpler if all of them are merged. And add a "blue" option to the parameter.  Gerald WL  07:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all and move on. –Fredddie™ 18:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merga all into Userpage. Why do we even have those templates? Most of them are parameters on Userpage anyways... ItsPugle (talk) 09:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all into User page, creating new parameters where necessary, per nominator. WT79 (speak to me &#124; [//xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia/WT79 editing patterns] &#124; [//xtools.wmflabs.org/globalcontribs/WT79 what I been doing]) 14:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge all it makes the most sense to have all the parameters in one template, assuming the can be combined into one Multilocus (talk) 18:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Support for Merge It doesn't make any sense at all to have all those separate templates, it would be much simpler to just have one. Quahog (talk • contribs) 21:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom <span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400 !important;font-weight:bold;">// Lollipoplollipoplollipop :: talk 09:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support merge. If anyone wants a custom user page template, they can do it themselves.  Aasim 05:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. Mr. Storm Eagle (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge following the principle of Don't Repeat Yourself. Waz8:T-C-E 23:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
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Strong Greek/Hebrew/number
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Strong-number. Feel free to rename as desired. Izno (talk) 04:50, 27 July 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Strong Hebrew with Template:Strong-number.
 * Strong Hebrew
 * Strong-number
 * Strong Greek - Added 10:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Both templates link to the same version of Strong's concordance, but Strong-number is much more versatile and used on a lot more pages. --Trialpears (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and name should be Blue Letter Bible as we usually name external link templates by their site name - IMDb name, TV.com show, etc. It also seems that Strong-number does what Strong Greek does also. --Gonnym (talk) 08:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good catch! I'll add that to the nomination as well since it is essentially identical to Strong Hebrew. I also agree with the rename. --Trialpears (talk) 10:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
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