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Template:Diplomatic missions in Lesotho

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  00:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC) A template containing only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Lesotho


 * Keep only added one more link, but the topic is part of a large structured set of templates at Category:Diplomatic missions by receiving country templates and the entries themselves are scoped. We could explicitly add red-links to emphasize this point, since they're nominated for apparently being empty. Specifically, I disagree based on the third point of WP:TFD which says this template ...has no likelihood of being used.
 * ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Navigation templates are a specific set of templates that have a unique function - their only purpose is to serve to navigate to and from related articles. When a navigation template is created with almost no blue links it does not serve that purpose. This template, whether you add red links or not, will not have enough links for a navigation template to be useful. Create the articles first, then create the navigation templates. Gonnym (talk) 15:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well said @Gonnym. LibStar (talk) 06:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not enough links for navigation. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete One link is not sufficient for a navbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Guinea-Bissau

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  00:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC) A template containing only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Guinea-Bissau


 * Keep added 6 foreign language Wikipedia links. This is a structured template (one of two-hundred countries), part of a discrete collection, with a scoped set of entries and likely to yield English language translation of other Wikipedia articles and new ones. Specifically, I disagree based on the third point of WP:TFD which says this template ...has no likelihood of being used.
 * ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not enough links for navigation. Links to pages in different languages aren't useful in a navigation template. Gonnym (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete One link to the English Wikipedia not sufficient for a navbox. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2019–20 Football Superleague of Kosovo table

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC) duplicate of the table in the article Frietjes (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 2019–20 Football Superleague of Kosovo table
 * Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2018 Commonwealth Games Australia netball team roster

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC) now merged with Netball at the 2018 Commonwealth Games — Rosters Frietjes (talk) 22:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 2018 Commonwealth Games Australia netball team roster
 * Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2024 Dr McKenna Cup Section A table

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC) I have updated the article to use the same format as past seasons (tables in the article and selectively transcluded into the team season articles) Frietjes (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 2024 Dr McKenna Cup Section A table
 * 2024 Dr McKenna Cup Section B table
 * 2024 Dr McKenna Cup Section C table
 * 2023 Dr McKenna Cup Section A table
 * 2023 Dr McKenna Cup Section B table
 * 2023 Dr McKenna Cup Section C table
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all as per nom. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:X21
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC) Mass nomination of X21 through X71. These are 51 template sandboxes that are not cleaned by Cyberbot. This is in addition to 20 other template sandboxes that are cleaned by Cyberbot and that I am not nominating for deletion. Leaving those 20 template sandboxes in place, in my opinion there are plenty of template sandboxes. Cyberbot only runs every 12 hours for template sandboxes I think, so it's not like the bot is rushing in and deleting templates before tests are complete. – Novem Linguae (talk) 09:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Notified: Bot requests. – Novem Linguae (talk) 09:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Even if Cyberbot removes your work, it only takes a few clicks to undo. People can use (*checks notes*) the other twenty X1-style sandboxes, Template sandbox, or a given template's sandbox subpage. And that's before we even consider using a "normal" sandbox as a template! <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 16:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would also add that people should use a given template's sandbox to experiment (so future editors can easily see past ideas that did/did not work); keeping all these encourages people to use a generic sandbox over a specific sandbox. <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 16:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Miscellany for deletion/Template sandboxes X21-X52 from a couple years ago, unless there is some good argument to the contrary. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 18:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to summarize the most persuasive keep arguments from that MFD if you'd like. – Novem Linguae (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't get into most persuasive, but the participants cited WP:PERFORMANCE, lack of a deletion reason under policy, WP:NOTPAPER, lack of perceived benefit, and a lack of evidence indicating harm. User:SmokeyJoe had a point about avoiding interfering with testing, and User:Robert McClenon appeared to think the nominator should be trouted for deleting pages that were being used. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C0E:690C:D942:5CFE (talk) 01:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no template creation influx that requires 71(!) separate special sandbox pages, which are in addition to every regular /sandbox page, and userspace and draft sandboxes. If the creators of these pages, or the users using them, can articulate valid use cases that would need these additional 51 pages, and which can't be achieved using the standard /sandboxes and the first 20 special sandbox templates, I'd like to hear them. Gonnym (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, 20 sandbox templates is enough. Frietjes (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep X21 through X60, per the 2020 MFD. Add it to the bot's task list to autoclean the sandboxes once a day (X21-X40) and once every other day (X41-X60); that allows a little more persistence for people testing things. . -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 04:38, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been 3 years since that mfd, and we are trying to generate a fresh consensus. Please feel free to summarize the strongest keep arguments from that mfd, but in my opinion we should not just copy it without thinking about it – Novem Linguae (talk) 07:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all as useless timesinks, either of humans' time in clearing them, or of the bot operator's time in having to program their bot. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all 20 is plenty. The others are timesinks, as pppery explains. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all 20 is already plenty of template sandboxes, so I fail to see how the remaining 51 of them would be used if there is no bot to clear them every 12 hours. 1033Forest (talk) 23:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all or at least most, for now. Per the prior MFD (shouldn't they be listed at MFD this time too?) as it appears that some tests require at least 50 template sandboxes to operate across and it is not as though there is a risk of running out of server space, and the test Wikipedia may be less convenient for some tests if some material would first have to be imported there. The fact that they are not currently edited by a bot is not relevant, that is not something that is listed at WP:Deletion policy, is fixable, and not really a pressing concern in the first place. It may actually be helpful to have some template sandboxes cleared less frequently, depending on the specific nature of the test. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see the sandboxes after X52, the highest one needed for simultaneous testing last time, to be removed but recreation should be permitted as needed. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C0E:690C:D942:5CFE (talk) 22:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please summarize what test or type of test requires 50 sandboxes? – Novem Linguae (talk) 01:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Novem Linguae, they were originally set up by User:Evad37 to test if the xfdcloser tool would work correctly over 50+ templates when making TFD closes, it seems others have also used them subsequently for similar purposes involving scripts and tests, though not many specific names were given. There may be some additional benefit in preventing overlap when multiple people are testing, though that wasn't stated explicitly. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C0E:690C:D942:5CFE (talk) 01:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those details. Personally I would use https://test.wikipedia.org/ for this, but to each their own I suppose. – Novem Linguae (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Novem Linguae I don't want to go back to that page and click all the links, but my understanding is that sometimes when templates/modules are calling material from elsewhere all of the involved pages from en-wiki need to be imported to test-wiki first which is a tedious timesink. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C0E:690C:D942:5CFE (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Testwiki admins have Special:Import, which I often use when testing Twinkle and AFCH stuff over at testwiki. But you're right, would be inconvenient without admin and a little inconvenient in general. – Novem Linguae (talk) 01:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Pppery. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:NCP
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Uw-copyright. ✗ plicit  14:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:NCP with Template:Uw-copyright.
 * NCP
 * Uw-copyright

User warning is similar in scope, but with less detail, an opaque template name, and a non-standard format. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:FoP-NL
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC) Orphaned bespoke restriction tag. I believe User:Alexis Jazz created this tag to avoid posting on Commons, but now that the relevant image has been moved to Commons I see no reason to keep a local copy (which only discourages uploading free files to Commons). <b style="font-family:Courier New;">House Blaster </b>talk 04:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * FoP-NL
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Space-based meteorological observation
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC) Unclear scope and selection criteria; template name imples it's weather satellite but wiklinks are much broader. fgnievinski (talk) 04:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Space-based meteorological observation
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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