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Template:WikiProject Music venues task force

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  15:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC) WikiProject Event Venues/Music task force is a task force of WikiProject Event Venues so should use Template:WikiProject Event Venues with the music parameter (already in the template). Gonnym (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Music venues task force
 * Replace  per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment perhaps it should be reparented to WPMUSIC. WikiProject Music/Music genres task force exists, instead perhaps it should be WikiProject Music taskforces and signed off wth the Music venues and Music genres as TF switches -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * replace per nom. already parameter for music, so just need to replace them all and consolidate any duplicate banners. Frietjes (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to merge with Template:WikiProject Guitarists, but feel free to renominate, or renominate with another merge target. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force with Template:WikiProject Guitarists.
 * WikiProject Buckethead task force
 * WikiProject Guitarists

WikiProject Guitarists/Buckethead task force is a task force of Template:WikiProject Guitarists so should use the same banner template. Add buckethead as a parameter to the template. Gonnym (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Support merging. However, on the talk page it is said that not all articles are guitar related. Maybe one should remove them. --Cyfal (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From reading that discussion it would seem that the task force should really have been one of WP:WikiProject Musicians. Looking at Category:WikiProject Musicians, maybe a better approach would be to use an un-wrapper version of Template:WikiProject Musicians (or create a new one at something like Template:WikiProject Musicians task forces) and add all these inactive projects as task forces of it. Template:WikiProject Brandy is an example of another one. Gonnym (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:A review toolbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC) No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2019. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A review toolbox
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If the situation is "missing, inadequate, or does not accurately describe its functionality" then perhaps these deficiencies should be addressed before we consider deleting this template. Bduke (talk) 09:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Star systems within 5 light-years

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Star systems within 5–10 light-years. ✗ plicit  23:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Star systems within 5 light-years with Template:Star systems within 5–10 light-years.
 * Star systems within 5 light-years
 * Star systems within 5–10 light-years

There are only two star systems within 5 light-years, which each have their own navboxes: Solar System and Alpha Centauri. So this navbox isn't very useful on its own, but it can be merged with the 5-10 light-years navbox, with the resulting navbox being named Template:Star systems within 10 light-years. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 06:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Blaney family

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC) No article on the subject of the navbox, articles are already well linked. WP:NENAN -- wooden superman  14:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Blaney family
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Blue Peter presenters
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC) WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  13:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Blue Peter presenters
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:SABL
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC) The main article for this navbox, South Australian Baseball League, has been deleted. WP:NENAN. Jenks24 (talk) 11:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * SABL
 * Delete per nom. If the subject isn't notable then we should not have a navbox for it.  -- wooden  superman  11:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Drama Desk Award for Sound Design templates
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC) Limited navigational benefit, only a handful of winners with articles amidst a sea of unlinked text. WP:EXISTING; WP:WTAF; WP:NENAN. -- wooden superman  10:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DramaDesk SoundDesignMusical
 * DramaDesk SoundDesignPlay
 * DramaDesk SoundDesign


 * Oppose. We shouldn't pick and choose what think is a good award to allow a navigation template and what isn't. The current rule is if the award has an article (for example, Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Sound Design), and the award winners have articles, then the navigation template is valid. As a side note, I once was a fan of these award templates (and I think I might have created a few myself), but now think that these are better suited for categories and lists. But that is something that should be handled in a much wider discussion. Gonnym (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They still fail WP:NENAN's "rule of five" though. -- wooden superman  16:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep for failure to perform WP:BEFORE. I was able to create three six new articles for notable (mostly Tony Award–winning) sound designers listed in DramaDesk SoundDesignMusical, so I suspect that more of these people are notable. The three navboxes should be merged, though, since the "Musical" and "Play" awards were forked from the original "Best Sound Design" award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With the creation of the new articles, and the suggested merge, I'm happy to withdraw nomination. However, WP:BEFORE isn't the issue, WP:WTAF is what should have happened by the template creator. -- wooden  superman  09:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. WTAF is an essay. I recognize that WP:BEFORE is intended for articles, but the spirit of it, especially "If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD" applies here. It was trivial to determine the notability of half a dozen people in these templates and create properly referenced stub articles for them. Note to closer: A close of keep would be fine; I would also be happy to merge these templates, per my note above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete SounDesignPlay. Still hasn't met the merits of navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, it was trivial to find another notable person to link to in this navbox and create an article for them. I would not be surprised if every person in this navbox meets Wikipedia's notability standards. A little WP:BEFORE would be helpful instead of just counting links. And again, I will be happy to merge these navboxes, which is probably the best outcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * keep for now since new particles have been added. merging is also an interesting option, but we should start a new discussion for that. Frietjes (talk) 18:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedPerformance
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC) No navigational benefit, only one winner with an article. WP:EXISTING; WP:WTAF; WP:NENAN. -- wooden superman  10:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedPerformance
 * Delete. No point in creating a navigation template for an award that was just handed this year. There should be a few articles before this needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems to me that this template is up for deletion, because one of the two names doesn't have an article. We know that the template is going to grow in the next few years when more names are added (with articles). SibTower1987 (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's up for deletion because it is a navigation template which provides no navigational benefit! See WP:NENAN which recommends a "rule of five". -- wooden  superman  16:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We actually don't know - WP:CRYSTAL. Gonnym (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge with DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedActor and DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedActress. Those two awards have been retired and replaced with this single award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per Jonesey. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm seeing suggestions about merging. Are you going to suggest the same thing for Template:DramaDesk MusicalLeadPerformance, Template:DramaDesk PlayLeadPerformance, and Template:DramaDesk PlayFeaturedPerformance? Even though the current winners are an actor and an actress, next year the winner could be just one performer and the year after that. We should let the template stand (for now) and have a chance to grow. A lot of award groups are doing gender neutral performance categories and templates have been created for them too. (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merging those templates with their predecessors (e.g. DramaDesk MusicalActor) also sounds like a good idea. I'll be happy to implement those merges if this discussion is closed as "merge". – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * merge per Jonesey95 since that would provide less fragmented navigation. Frietjes (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. 1) Arguments of WP:CRYSTAL are just as guilty of assuming that that the Drama Desk organization will change its mind and revert to the previous actor/actress categories. The merged gender neutral award is the official award, deserves its own template. If another change happens in the future, then open a discussion at that time, taking into account whatever conditions may exist in that (possible) future situation. 2) Arguments for merging ignores that this is a standalone award, with a relationship to the previous two but still its own award. Would also create a massive template with actor history, actress history, and the new award name history. Is there precedence, with more than one or two years of "new merged award" history, from some other theatre or sports awards? I note, in a related but reversed example, that neither Template:DramaDesk PlayDirection nor Template:DramaDesk MusicalDirection include the 1955 to 1974 history found in Template:DramaDesk Director (which is also silent about the two awards that replace it), as the three awards are distinct despite a somewhat connected history. Standalone awards, thus standalone templates. Jmg38 (talk) 05:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:DramaDesk WigHairDesign
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC) No navigational benefit, only one winner with an article. WP:EXISTING; WP:WTAF; WP:NENAN. -- wooden superman  10:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DramaDesk WigHairDesign
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Template:Attached KML/Woodhaven Boulevard
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC) This template is unused as Woodhaven Boulevard redirects to Woodhaven and Cross Bay Boulevards which uses a different template. Gonnym (talk) 10:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Attached KML/Woodhaven Boulevard
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Template:Attached KML/Tri-State Tollway
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC) This template is unused as Tri-State Tollway is a disambiguation page and there is no article for this tollway. Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Attached KML/Tri-State Tollway
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Template:Attached KML/Stevenson Expressway
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC) This template is unused as Stevenson Expressway redirects to Interstate 55 in Illinois. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Attached KML/South End Bypass
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC) This template is unused as South End Bypass redirects to Southwest Corridor (Massachusetts). Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Attached KML/South End Bypass
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Template:Attached KML/Skokie Highway
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC) This template is unused as Skokie Highway redirects to U.S. Route 41 in Illinois. Gonnym (talk) 09:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Attached KML/Skokie Highway
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Template:Shogi diagram img
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Unused in Shogi strategy or anywhere other than in an old talk discussion. The article uses Template:Shogi diagram. Gonnym (talk) 09:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Shogi diagram img
 * Delete: I created this template back in 2014, but it seems to have been superseded by another template created by a few years later. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Badminton at the 2023 Central American and Caribbean Games
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Unused sidebar template as all pages except for the main event are red links. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Badminton at the 2023 Central American and Caribbean Games
 * Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Trump Executive Office
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2023 November 22. Izno (talk) 04:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Campaignbox Belgian Revolution
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The result of the discussion was move to userspace Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC) Unused but even if it would be used there is 1 article and 1 blank draft article. Gonnym (talk) 10:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Campaignbox Belgian Revolution
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm taking my time because these templates aren't easy, people most likely wont even accept it too the actual belgian revolution article thats why im taking my time with it , so please just give me time im working on it , i'm doing my hardest , knowing wikipedia its strict here so i'm trying my absolute hardest. Dre5860 (talk) 01:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Im sorry but theres no need too delete the template seeing as im already working on it, ive just got done make another battle and im working on a new word. theres no need to threaten a whole deletion on a template thats getting worked on. Dre5860 (talk) 01:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on the last page until i publish it too the Belgian revolution article
 * so theres no need thanks i have my sources and i got my proof so theres no need Dre5860 (talk) 02:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Userify since it is a work in progress. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 13:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * move to userspace, not used, but could be used in the future. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WPSchools Newsletter
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The result of the discussion was move. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 16:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC) One transclusion in a user talk page. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WPSchools Newsletter


 * Keep. Newsletters shouldn't be deleted, imo. This just shovels it into the endless crap pile of user talk pages never to be seen again; it may not have been widely distributed but it existed. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 06:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Perhaps this can be archived as a subpage of the Wikiproject. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Move to WikiProject Schools/Newsletter/Template version -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 12:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * move to a subpage of WikiProject Schools/Newsletter per above. Frietjes (talk) 21:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Wikipedia community (main page)
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) &mdash; Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Proposed main page templates from 2006. No documentation or categories. Now a maintenance burden. Subst and delete on the two pages where they are used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia community (main page)
 * Wikipedialang (main page)


 * Comment: on the two historical pages these are in use on, I've applied "subst:" and pulled the code into them so that your deletion won't affect them. Cheers,  &mdash; The Transhumanist   10:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WCAG web safe contrast ratio.svg
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) &mdash; Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Simple file call used in one page. Copy into the page and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WCAG web safe contrast ratio.svg


 * Please subst and delete. Thanks, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9094;&#964;a&#671;&#954; 11:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It would be good to delete "WCAG web safe contrast ratio.svg" as it does not promote actual accessibility. WCAG 2.x is particularly flawed in how it calculates contrast for text, and a significant percentage of colors it "passes" should fail (47%), and it fails some colors that should pass (22%). There are other emerging standards that are based on science, but we should retire these poorly conceived notions. Myndex  talk  09:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Washington Franklin Imperforate issues
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) &mdash; Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Simple single-article table with no template parameters. Copy into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Washington Franklin Imperforate issues
 * Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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