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Deprecated IPA templates

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC) Following from the deletion of the unused batch here, the above are all deprecated (43 of which are also unused) IPA templates which should be replaced with. --Gonnym (talk) 12:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Standard replacement:
 * IPA-af
 * IPA-apc-LB
 * IPA-ar
 * IPA-arz
 * IPA-as
 * IPA-ath
 * IPA-az
 * IPA-azc
 * IPA-be
 * IPA-ber
 * IPA-bn
 * IPA-bo
 * IPA-br
 * IPA-cmn
 * IPA-co
 * IPA-cop
 * IPA-cs
 * IPA-cy
 * IPA-da
 * IPA-egl
 * IPA-et
 * IPA-eu
 * IPA-fa
 * IPA-fi
 * IPA-fj
 * IPA-fo
 * IPA-fy
 * IPA-gd
 * IPA-gn
 * IPA-gos
 * IPA-gsw
 * IPA-gu
 * IPA-gv
 * IPA-haw
 * IPA-he
 * IPA-hi
 * IPA-hns
 * IPA-hr
 * IPA-hu
 * IPA-hy
 * IPA-id
 * IPA-ik
 * IPA-is
 * IPA-it
 * IPA-iu
 * IPA-ja
 * IPA-jv
 * IPA-ka
 * IPA-kk
 * IPA-kl
 * IPA-km
 * IPA-kn
 * IPA-ko
 * IPA-kok
 * IPA-ks
 * IPA-ku
 * IPA-ky
 * IPA-lad
 * IPA-lb
 * IPA-lg
 * IPA-li
 * IPA-lij
 * IPA-liv
 * IPA-lkt
 * IPA-lld
 * IPA-lo
 * IPA-lt
 * IPA-ltc
 * IPA-lv
 * IPA-mfe
 * IPA-mg
 * IPA-mi
 * IPA-ml
 * IPA-mn
 * IPA-mnw
 * IPA-mos
 * IPA-mr
 * IPA-mt
 * IPA-mus
 * IPA-my
 * IPA-myn
 * IPA-na
 * IPA-nah
 * IPA-nan
 * IPA-nap
 * IPA-nds
 * IPA-ne
 * IPA-no
 * IPA-nod
 * IPA-non
 * IPA-nrf
 * IPA-nus
 * IPA-nv
 * IPA-ny
 * IPA-or
 * IPA-os
 * IPA-pap
 * IPA-pcd
 * IPA-pdc
 * IPA-pi
 * IPA-pjt
 * IPA-pl
 * IPA-pms
 * IPA-prs
 * IPA-ps
 * IPA-qu
 * IPA-qya
 * IPA-rgn
 * IPA-rhg
 * IPA-rm
 * IPA-ro
 * IPA-rom
 * IPA-ru
 * IPA-rw
 * IPA-ryu
 * IPA-sal
 * IPA-sc
 * IPA-scn
 * IPA-sco
 * IPA-sd
 * IPA-se
 * IPA-sec
 * IPA-sei
 * IPA-sem
 * IPA-sga
 * IPA-shn
 * IPA-si
 * IPA-sio
 * IPA-sip
 * IPA-sk
 * IPA-sl
 * IPA-sla
 * IPA-sm
 * IPA-sma
 * IPA-smj
 * IPA-sn
 * IPA-so
 * IPA-sou
 * IPA-sq
 * IPA-sr
 * IPA-srn
 * IPA-ss
 * IPA-st
 * IPA-stq
 * IPA-su
 * IPA-sux
 * IPA-sw
 * IPA-syc
 * IPA-syl
 * IPA-syr
 * IPA-ta
 * IPA-tcy
 * IPA-te
 * IPA-tet
 * IPA-tew
 * IPA-tg
 * IPA-th
 * IPA-ti
 * IPA-tk
 * IPA-tl
 * IPA-tlh
 * IPA-tn
 * IPA-to
 * IPA-ts
 * IPA-tt
 * IPA-ty
 * IPA-tyv
 * IPA-tzl
 * IPA-ug
 * IPA-uk
 * IPA-ur
 * IPA-uz
 * IPA-vec
 * IPA-wa
 * IPA-wuu
 * IPA-xh
 * IPA-yi
 * IPA-yo
 * IPA-yue
 * IPA-zap
 * IPA-zu
 * IPA-sjn
 * IPA-ang
 * IPA-ast
 * IPA-aus
 * IPA-bg
 * IPA-ca
 * IPA-de
 * IPA-el
 * IPA-en
 * IPA-es
 * IPA-fr
 * IPA-frp
 * IPA-ga
 * IPA-gl
 * IPA-ht
 * IPA-ksh
 * IPA-la
 * IPA-lmo
 * IPA-mk
 * IPA-ms
 * IPA-mwl
 * IPA-nl
 * IPA-oc
 * IPA-pa
 * IPA-pt
 * IPA-sa
 * IPA-sh
 * IPA-sv
 * IPA-tr
 * IPA-vi
 * Non-standard replacement:
 * IPA-all
 * IPA-xx
 * IPA-art
 * IPA-poly
 * IPA-endia
 * IPA-dedia
 * IPA-bodia
 * IPA-ira
 * IPA-itdia
 * IPA-frdia
 * IPA-esdia
 * IPA-ptdia
 * IPA2
 * Pronounced
 * IPA-hnd
 * IPA-hno
 * IPA-cadia
 * IPA-nai-yuc
 * IPA-en-AU
 * IPA-le
 * IPA-va

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do we have an expectation that someone makes a bot to convert these s/-/|/? I came here from one of them that has 236 transclusions and that already seems like a waste of volunteer time to have to do manually. --Joy (talk) 20:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * TfD has a few bots that can help. Gonnym (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Beware,  , and  , and redirects ( ,  ,  ,  ,  , and   in the above list, among others) cannot be converted just by replacing the hyphen with a pipe. Nardog (talk) 08:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is premature. Fine for ones with only a handful of transclusions, but it hasn't even been a month since the rollout of the new IPA. Editors aren't quite used to the new syntax yet, and may not even be aware of the deprecation. And deleting them will turn transcriptions into red links in old revisions. Maybe run the bot right now, but wait for at least six months, preferably a year, before deleting them. Nardog (talk) 08:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We already handled this kind of replacement with In lang and other templates. Editors learn faster than we give them credit. Also, if this replacement doesn't happen, then it will always be "too soon" as a "deprecated" notice is meaningless for most editors as they won't even enter the template page to view it in first place. Gonnym (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A bot replacing all extant uses will definitely get them notice. And unlike, IPA-xx not only accept parameters but show the content of the first one as entered. Not being able to see it in non-latest revisions that aren't even months old would be too inconvenient. So make old revisions work for a while; we can do that with (example). Nardog (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm confused as to how you came up with this list. It has templates like IPA-sl, which has thousands of transclusions, but lacks ones like IPA-sjn, which has only a couple. Nardog (talk) 09:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nardog IPA-sjn is missing from Category:IPA language templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And popular ones like IPA-fr were missing and you've now added them why? Nardog (talk) 19:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Prefer showing a warning (e.g. in a -based conditional) after bot replacement to ensure old revisions display as they did. Nardog (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylalanyl...isoleucine

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was speedy keep. For some reason this redirect nomination went through TfD unintentionally. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 20:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC) The ellipsis in the middle of the word seems to make this an implausible search term. Admittedly, Titin is known for its extremely long scientific name, but utilizing exactly the first 41 characters, followed by an ellipsis plus the remaining 10 characters, does not seem to be very plausible way of searching. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:33, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylalanyl...isoleucine
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Template:Start date and End date

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G2 by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC) Text-only template. No foreseeable use with it's current content. Can possibly be redirected to Template:Start and end dates --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 13:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Start date and End date
 * Speedy delete per G2. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:BS-overlap/noalt

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC) The BS-templates, including Template:BS-overlap were deleted. The note left on this template page in 2013 does not make anymore sense (if it ever did). Gonnym (talk) 10:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * BS-overlap/noalt
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:BSpx

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC) Unused other than in a few very old user sandboxes and talk pages. Value should be subst and the template deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * BSpx
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WIG category

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC) I've replaced this tmplate with usages of Template:WikiProject Women in Green in the talk page like all other banners do. Gonnym (talk) 07:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WIG category

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  07:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: this is a notice for the subject page and is needed to populate other categories, which have now been emptied. You should have discussed this or waited for the discussion to conclude before orphaning the template. I will revert this for now. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * A template with ~10 transclusions does not need any significant treatment and WP:BOLD is perfectly fine. That said, your revert was probably the right choice there. However, creating a template with zero documentation and no indication of of its features isn't helpful. The category text for example is completely inappropriate in a non-talk page, as it doesn't say  about the category, but about why it was created, which should be (and after my edit, is) handled in the talk page.
 * I'm also not sure that a template at all is really needed here as it seems very overkill for something straightforward. Gonnym (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The template produces a description such as "This category contains articles which were created or improved during the Women and the Environment GA edit-a-thon hosted by the Women in Green project in July 2022." How is this inappropriate and how could it be improved? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a perfectly standard category header template. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2011 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. Feel free to nominate Rugby World Cup pool stage key for deletion if there is a problem with accessibility. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC) Unused table legend templates. Gonnym (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 2011 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
 * 2015 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
 * 2019 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
 * 2023 Rugby World Cup pool stage key
 * Comment for context, these templates became unused after these edits by User:Frietjes:
 * Special:Diff/1178598006
 * Special:Diff/1178597610
 * Special:Diff/1178051182/1178585588
 * Special:Diff/1178544305/1178599435
 * —⁠andrybak (talk) 03:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * What if Template:2011 Rugby World Cup pool stage key was moved to Rugby World Cup pool stage key, and a parameter for the next year was added? Used as ... . —⁠andrybak (talk) 03:33, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Like so: Special:Diff/1179133971. The parameter could even be calculated automatically using template title year plus four. —⁠andrybak (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * seems reasonable to me, or we just show the qualification results in the table, like they are shown in 2011 Rugby World Cup Pool A, which is better for accessibility (doesn't require the ability to see color). Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Frietjes' version since it also takes into account accessability. Gonnym (talk) 06:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.