Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2022 October 27

= October 27 =

06:31:49, 27 October 2022 review of draft by Anythingyouwant
Hello, I created the article Kelly Tshibaka that is now in mainspace, but I did not know about the draft until later. Please take a look at the article in mainspace, and take whatever action is necessary or appropriate with regard to the draft (e.g. deletion, et cetera). It appears that I was able to find numerous reliable sources about the BLP subject that had previously been overlooked. Thanks. &#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 06:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no need to do anything about the draft, drafts are deleted after six months of inactivity. If you have established that Tshibaka meets the general notability guidelines for people instead of the more specific politician notability guidelines, discussion about the article can be handled on its talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, good to know.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 11:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I started a notability discussion at the article talk page here. Seems like a pretty clear case.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

06:52:23, 27 October 2022 review of submission by 2405:204:8481:2838:0:0:2009:78B0
2405:204:8481:2838:0:0:2009:78B0 (talk) 06:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Request on 09:32:32, 27 October 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Shaik Afrose
I was that page on my own source which is done by my observation and research on that organization I can't be getting why you people are rejecting the page which is now created.

Shaik Afrose (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft was deleted as blatant advertising, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what an article subject says about itself, only in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it.
 * If you work for this company, please make the paid editing disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry @Shaik Afrose, I don't quite understand what you're asking, but just to say that the draft has been deleted as promotional.
 * Also, it seems like you may be talking about something known as original research, which is wholly unacceptable on Wikipedia. Everything you write about a subject must be traceable to reliable, published sources, and verifiable as such. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

11:55:30, 27 October 2022 review of draft by Firstnighton
Hi, I am trying to create this page for a band called Restricted Code that appears to be the only one without a Wikipedia page, of a small number of bands signed to and releasing records on one of the most important independent record labels in Scotland. The label is currently the subject of a feature length documentary that was screened on BBC ('Big Gold Dream'), a compilation CD and a newly-released book covering this period in independent Scottish music. The band is featured heavily in the book, hence my attempt to create a Wiki entry for them.

I have based the entry on the page for 'Boots for Dancing', who were label mates and exact contemporaries of this band, citing very similar sources, including BBC, Discogs and Bandcamp among others, but my article has been rejected as not having reliable and independent sources, which I can't understand as I tried to use similar sources to an existing entry.

Any advice would be welcomed.

Firstnighton (talk) 11:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Firstnighton: RateYourMusic is a deprecated source, and Discogs is considered generally unreliable, so that's half your references out, straight off the bat.
 * As for notability, I don't see anything there that would meet WP:BAND notability, so we're left with the general WP:GNG notability as the only option, and the sources cited aren't sufficient to satisfy that.
 * Factors such as the band is/was 'label mates' or contemporaries with other bands which may or may not be notable aren't relevant here, as notability is not inherited by association, nor is them being the only ones of their cohort without a Wikipedia article.
 * Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's useful. Wouldn't the sessions they recorded for John Peel and Richard Skinner on BBC National Radio satisfy the WP:Band condition "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network."? Recordings of both exist online and the BBC web site lists them in its archives. Firstnighton (talk) 12:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Firstnighton: TBH, I don't know if being featured on the Peel Sessions is enough to satisfy #12 of BAND. It was certainly a notable programme series in its day, but on the other hand it was expressly geared towards introducing artists/acts that were, by definition, non-notable at the time. Probably best to wait for someone to provide a second opinion.
 * The Peel, together with the new book, could get us close to GNG notability, although it would be better if another solid source could be found to strengthen the case. Also, we need to know how significantly the book covers the subject, as a mere passing mention wouldn't be enough here.
 * In short, I don't think it's a lost cause by any means, but I reckon it's just not quite there yet, either. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that. The book has extensive content specifically about Restricted Code - just checking in the index of the book itself and there are 19 pages for Restricted Code including full page photos and extensive quotes from the members throughout those pages. They also appear on the cover, and each of the members of the band interviewed is listed as 'Dramatis Personae' in the book's introduction. I hope someone else can take a look at this and give it the thumbs up. Firstnighton (talk) 13:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Firstnighton: okay, sounds like the book is definitely a solid source. Is there no way of finding one more somewhere?
 * Meanwhile, I've asked for comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rock_music, let's see if anyone there has a view. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Great - many thanks for your work on this. One other possible source I have found is https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/big-gold-dreams-a-story-of-scottish-independent-music-1977-1989-5cd-boxset/ - a set of CDs released 2019 celebrating the Scottish Music scene on the highly regarded Cherry Red Records. It comes with another book, which has photos and a biog of all artists featured. This band has a track on the CD, and a page in the book. I have it and could scan it, but not sure if there's an existing online resource featuring that particular page. Firstnighton (talk) 14:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder if there is any way to move this forward? If I remove the link to the deprecated resource as pointed out by DoubleGrazing and expand on the more solid sources, is it worth resubmitting? Firstnighton (talk) 12:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

12:11:38, 27 October 2022 review of submission by Yemsquare
I need advice on what to do with this article, have been trying to submit it for review but it just declined the article, The article is based on the biography of Mike Afolarin, an actor in the Nigeria film industry, that has acted in some movies such as Kasala, Soole, and he has also won Africa International Film Festival Award, 2018 in Viewer's Choice Award Category for a Kasala movie,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yemsquare (talk • contribs) 12:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC) so I need advice on what to do. Yemsquare (talk) 12:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Yemsquare: my advice is to drop this and move on to other topics, as the draft has been rejected and won't be considered anymore. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, but i need to work on this article, so what do i need to do, have work on the references now Yemsquare (talk) 12:42, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Why do you "need" to work on it? Rejection means improvements are not possible. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So i need to delete it and start another topic Yemsquare (talk) 12:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You didn't answer my question, but you don't need to do anything to the draft, it will be deleted after six months of no edits. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I need to edit the draft, by working on the correction which I have asked @Curbon7 the reason why it was rejected Yemsquare (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Yemsquare you're missing the point: decline means you need to continue working on the draft to rectify the reasons why it was declined, whereas rejection, which is what we have here, is the end of the road for that draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for that clarification, my point now is that can i rewrite the draft by maintaining the title name of the rejected topic Yemsquare (talk) 13:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want to create drafts on other topics, use WP:AFC, you don't need to go to the other draft again. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate your contribution Yemsquare (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A further clarification, in light of your creating an identical draft with a near-identical title (Draft:MIke Afolarin.) Don't create drafts about Mike Afolarin. If you want to help editing Wikipedia, you will have to focus on different topics. --bonadea contributions talk 21:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

12:28:38, 27 October 2022 review of submission by Teamazaad
Teamazaad (talk) 12:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Teamazaad: you don't ask a question, but your draft has been rejected and speedily deleted as promotional. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I can see you've decided to recreate this draft. Just beware, having been once deleted for being promotional, there are extra eyes on the new draft from the outset, so you need to keep it clean as a whistle. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

17:39:20, 27 October 2022 review of submission by Jdjdkkdk
Is there someone to help me create an article on Wikipedia for the founder and CEO of the company Zain Cash because I don't know how to create any article on Wikipedia OR Draft:Ahmed Abdulhakim

Jdjdkkdk (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jdjdkkdk You will be just fine. Please read HELP:YFA and take it from there 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The company article is unreferenced, and is at AfD and is on track to be deleted. That will eliminate any chance that Mr. Abdulhakim would pass the notability bar. A Google search doesn't turn up much besides this. I'm instead going to vote to merge the bare bones minimum and redirect it to Central Bank of Iraq. Interesting that the company web site says it's located in Jordan, despite its connection to Iraq. Maybe something about Sharia law restricting the operation of money apps in Iraq? TechnoTalk (talk) 00:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

19:06:17, 27 October 2022 review of submission by Lightning0
I want to get this draft published this is my first time being a wikipedia editor Lightning0 (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Lightning0 (talk) 19:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I am requesting to get my draft page published and to learn how to publish wikipedia pages in general
 * If you are referring to Draft:Sloan the Otaku, it is blank. You have content in your sandbox, but it is only sourced to social media. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

So do I need to reference a article about Sloan by a credible source ?Lightning0 (talk) 19:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said, the draft must summarize what independent reliable sources say on their own about the subject. It shouldn't be sourced to social media. Please read Your First Article, and using the new user tutorial will help you. If you have further questions, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections.331dot (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

20:59:19, 27 October 2022 review of draft by 207.32.169.152
I am a total computer-illiterate, old-man Luddite, and I don't understand exactly how I am to cite reference publications. I need to footnote several of the facts in the referenced article, referring to one book that was published in 1977, and to two current Wikipedia articles. Please tell me, in very simple language, and maybe even as step-by-step instructions, how to mark a footnote in the article's text, and then how to "manufacture" the footnote in the References section at the end of the article. Please also tell me the proper format for citing Wikipedia articles in the References section. 207.32.169.152 (talk) 20:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see Referencing for beginners, which provides instructions. 331dot (talk) 21:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And the proper format for citing Wikipedia articles is not to do so at all. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)