Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/David Koechner

David Koechner
I've taken the time to expand the requested research. My goal is get the page to at least a B rating or higher.

I'm looking for any suggestions on what else needs to be done. I've expanded the page considerably since it was rated a Start, but am looking for advice on what else needs to be done.See me let go 13:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Awadewit
I'm not as familiar with the living-person biography as I am with the dead-person biography, but I would start by saying that your sources seem a little sketchy. Are there not more reliable places to obtain this information from? Certainly USA Today would not be the best place to start. Also, the "Personal Life" section seems a little abbreviated; most historical biographies begin with where and when the person was born and then move into their career. Perhaps contemporary biographies are different? Finally, some of the language of the lead is repeated in the article; perhaps you could reword so that it is not identical? Awadewit 12:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yannismarou
Nice start, but it still needs some work. This is my review:
 * "Koechner befriend Dave 'Gruber' Allen, forming The Naked Trucker & T-Bones Show." You mean "befriended"?
 * "In January 2007, Koechner's Naked Trucker & T-Bones Show". Per MoS, it is recommended to link only full dates (e.g. January 1, 2007). Years in music or television etc. (e.g. 2006 ) are, of course, fine.
 * IMO the chronological order is fine, and there is no problem with the "personal life" section being where it is. A "flaw" I can find is that there is very few information about his early life; his parents, details about schools, studying etc.
 * "improv guru". What is that? And I can find no article in wikipedia.
 * "improv act". Huh?! What are all these abbreviations?!
 * "a character he'd been playing on comedy stages for a few years." "He'd"? Maybe a bit uncyclopedic. Try to be formal.
 * "The stage act, a mix of stand-up comedy and off-color country songs, became a hit on the Hollywood improv circuit, ultimately landing television performances on Late Night with Conan O'Brien and Real Time with Bill Maher." Any source, verifying that it was indeed a hit?
 * "MTV's initial press release accidentally listed Fred Armisen instead of David Koechner[6], but eventually corrected the error on their website [7],..." Per MoS, inline citations go after the punctuation mark, and not before. ALso, try to have them at the end of the sentence. Cite in the middle, only if it absolutely necessary for emphasis reason.
 * "As of February 1, 2007, Koechner has guest-starred, both in person and by phone, on five episodes of the series. David Koechner's frequent work with actors Ferrell, Carell & Jack Black, have lead some critics and journalists to point out his association with the media-dubbed "Frat Pack".[10][11][12]" Not nice to have three citations in a row. Try to combine them: see Tourette syndrome or Battle of Edson's Ridge for ideas.
 * "David Koechner, who majored in Political Science at the University of Missouri ..." I think I read that earlier.
 * Your philmography is tagged.
 * "External links" go after references.
 * Alphabetize categories at the end of the article.--Yannismarou 21:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

David Koechner page rating?
Is it ok to have two citations in a row? That's what the tourette's page has. See me let go 18:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The suggested changes have been made, and someone added extended information on Koechner's period at Saturday Night Live. What else needs to be done? It's not still a "Start" article, is it? See me let go 07:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You are still not properly wikilinking some years-dates. I repeat: full dates are only wikilinkedl; not single years - check WP:MoS.
 * Some reviewers could regard the "Filmography" as long. You could create a seperate article per WP:SS, and in this article just keep a "Selected filmography", as it happens in other FAs.
 * IMO Personal life is written like trivia, although it is one compact paragraph. The sentences are seamlessly connected; only the first sentence is about personal life (is then the section's title accurate?), and the rest of it is artistic activities, political and personal preferences etc.--Yannismarou 20:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)