Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport


 * The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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Description
A WikiProject to encompass all of Women's sports and Sportswomen, and sharing articles predominately about women in gender neutral sports with the relevant WikiProject for that sport.

The article Women's sport is a prime example of why we need a project focused on Women's sport.

Women's sport at the Olympics is a brand new stub, and shows the potential of this topical area. There has been a lot of activity around WikiProject Netball as a result of the Netball good article reviews, and Women's football task force is another strength area.

Laura has started identifying existing GA and FAs in the scope of this proposed project. User:LauraHale/Good Topic

Related WikiProjects include WikiProject Women's History.

John Vandenberg (chat) 10:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Support
Please specify whether or not you would join the project.
 * 1) John Vandenberg (chat) 10:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) --Geneviève (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) --LauraHale (talk) 11:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) --Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) -- Decafdyke (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) I support the idea, but would not join such a project myself.  Lady  of  Shalott  21:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Support, not join.  B i b  (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) I may join the project, depending on how much free time I have. Bidgee (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) I support it. Count me in Maple Leaf (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) We need to discuss this? Weird. Anyway, support. --Fang Aili talk 05:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) It's a great idea.  undefinedBill william compton  Talk   12:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Fantastic idea. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 19:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) Support (but not join). - PKM (talk) 02:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) I support this idea. --Ohtani tanya (My talk page in JAWP) 05:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 15) Obvious support, but I don't see me joining OdinFK (talk) 08:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) Support and join SFB 20:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) Support (but not join) Kaldari (talk) 02:01, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 18) Support, great idea: we've had fits and starts of work on women's cricket.  Harrias  talk  21:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 19) Support and join --Charlesquebec (talk) 15:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
Hello Everybody, Bonjour à toutes les sportives, I will to support this proposition with my heart. There is so much to make to value the women in sports ( Read Women remain under-represented in sports leadership roles and Equality in sports? Women aren't there yet. Best regards and thanks for all your support, --Geneviève (talk) 11:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone can make an article of women's sport at the Paralympic Games too, or in general sport where women with a disability compete, if this WikiProject gets up. B i b  (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I like it. A cross wikiproject collaboration with Paralympics taskforce would be a great way to start. They already have two WP:good articles for women Paralympians. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd support that. I think it would coincide nicely with The History of the Paralympic Movement in Australia/Request for Proposals happening on Wikiversity.  I could probably talk to the people in my department about that. --LauraHale (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome, collaboration sounds good. Loved the wikiversity link. B i b  (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

How would the project handle sports that have large male, female and coeducational components: would they be included or excluded from the scope? For example, would women's running be within the project? Racepacket (talk) 00:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think running would fall under 'gender neutral sports' as described in the intro.
 * It is interesting to note that running only mentions gender once, and only in the context of running speeds. This WikiProject would not have an interest in general articles like that; as you can see on Talk:Running, it already has quite a few WikiProjects associated with it.
 * I don't think women's running is going to be a high priority of this proposed WikiProject; there are a lot lower fruits to be found. However if someone could present a case for an article dedicated to women's running that isn't a topic fork of running, it would be in scope of this WikiProject, along with other WikiProjects such as WikiProject Athletics and WikiProject Running. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I've had an idea brewing for an article on women's athletics for some time (inspired by a French equivalent). It's a topic which has repeatedly recurred in my studies of athletics, the Olympics and sport in general. My desire to expand upon women's sports is there, but frankly my knowledge is not quite there yet. The current main article (women's sports) captures the basic elements of the modern developments but almost entirely misses the vast cultural implications of women's sports.

There are a whole string of articles missing on this topic (even the Women's Tennis Association governs a completely unlinked and non-existent article), but it is also a topic that desperately needs expert attention. Women's basketball is a large article, but a largely unrefined and superficial one. Hopefully a project can help resolve such problems. SFB 20:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Bonjour SFB, yes it's difficult to write a quality page on Wikipedia because there is a difficulty finding references: the information sources (books, newspapers, magazines) speak about many men's sports (players, clubs, leagues and competitions) and we haven't not many references for women's sports, unless being itself involved in a sport (or a feminine league) or have access to women players. Bonne chance --Geneviève  (talk) 21:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of issues facing women's sports getting GA. With netball, there have been some implied issues with source reliability. This is two fold in that there aren't many sources for women only sports and some of the regions being written about do not have a strong history of publishing high quality content. Some of the writing is just very informal.  It would be great to see some institutional support from a university to support this endeavour in terms of providing access to large amounts of library book and journal materials, access to databases, etc.  (One of the reasons I'm going to New Zealand is to try to find source material related to the women's sport topic I'm writing about.) --LauraHale (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest naming the project WikiProject Women's Sports to stick with the naming convention of WikiProject Sports. Also, it just sounds more natural I think. Kaldari (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm currently working on drafting some content for a portal for women's sport. This can be found at:


 * User:LauraHale/Good Topic Good article, featured article, featured list list of women's sport articles
 * User:LauraHale/Women Sport Portal Article List General work space to begin creating women's sport portal
 * User:LauraHale/Women Sport Portal Article Athlete Birthday List To make women's portal updatable by day trying to get by day events
 * User:LauraHale/Women's Sport Portal Draft of women's sport portal using Portal:Sport in Canada as template

Please feel free to edit these pages to add content, with the goal of creating footers, possible project pages or helping with the design of the portal. --LauraHale (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Why "Women's sport" instead of "Women's sports"? It sounds like there's only 1 sport for women. Kaldari (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Stylistic preference based on Australian, New Zealand and British English instead of American English. Government officials are Minister for Sport.  My department is sport studies. --LauraHale (talk) 19:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * the project began? --Charlesquebec (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * User:LauraHale/Women's Sport Wikiproject is my personal staging area for the Women's Sport Wikiproject and Task Force. It hasn't begun yet by me as I'm still drafting the pages.  (I'm in New Zealand until May 3/4 and on a netbook so I don't have easy ability to edit the multiple pages needed.)  A portal was created at Portal:Women's sport and slowly working that towars potential featuring but that's mostly indepedent of efforts to do the project. --LauraHale (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

My opinion on this: I agree that this is a notable topic area that can use some work. However, as some mentioned above, the sourcing is a problem. Some sports have predominantly male participants and lacks a authoritative body to recognize female participants and also the relatively lack of participants. This results in less reliable source.

This is not just the problem of Wikipedia but also in sport bodies as well. The "relatively" lack of elite sportswomen and a history of world championship is the reason why IOC did not add women ski jump until now. [[User:SYSS Mouse|SYSS Mouse] (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I still have concerns about POV-pushing and the desirability of splintering coverage of sports that have widespread participation by both men and women, such as running. Would these efforts be better allocated toward working within the existing sport wikiprojects to improve coverage rather than as a parallel effort that competes for resources and generates coordination problems in terms of templates, infoboxes, etc. Racepacket (talk) 09:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe personally that the women have to have their specific sporting wikiproject because their conditions are very differents. The women and the sports performance have had a long, uneasy history together. Women were not allowed to participate in a marathon until the mid-1980s (they could not run an Olympic race of more than 200 metres until the 1960s) because the men who ran sport figured it might mess with the organs they needed for reproduction (same situation in olympic ski jump).--Charlesquebec (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, mon papa Charles pour un coup de gueule pro-féministe, c'est un sacré coup de gueule. --Geneviève (talk) 18:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Racepacket, I hope that today you will testify of the civility not to erase my intervention (references 1, 2 ). I have been having a problem with your opinion. By examining attentively the reflection of Racepacket, I wish to testify of my personal defeat (un échec qui fait mal en dedans de soi) to bring the WikiProject Ice Hockey to become even more opened and more collaborative with the women hockey. My participation in the wikiProject Ice Hockey indicated me that it is very difficult to value the women sport in a project grouping together the male and feminine sports (including participation by both men and women within the existing hockey wikiproject). In last Winter (2010-11), I was the only woman contributor in the WikiProject Ice Hockey and my interactions were excellante with some male members (Maple Leaf, Marc87, Tiouic and Jayen466) who they worked on the Women Hockey. But the general climat was not easy for me. My solution was to have a small space for the Women Hockey by presenting the project of a  women's hockey task force. When I presented my proposition for a women's hockey task force,  2 administrators (Djsasso and Maxim) did not support my proposition and there was no consensus between the members of the WikiProject Ice Hockey archives 44: Women's Hockey task force. After I removed my proposition. Thus there was no setting up nevertheless the made work ( User:Genevieve2/sandbox05,  User:Genevieve2/sandbox0345). I was very disappointed: This is a Man's world that for only the men ice hockey or not 3??? Now You will understand my justifiable doubt in front of the intervention of Racepacket. Recent studies on Wikipedia show a constant decline with the participation of the women contributors 4 5  6. That will be the future for the women contributors in sport wikiprojects ??????????? ... Je vous souhaite une bonne réflexion, השתקפות טובה --Geneviève (talk) 18:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Another sad example of discrimination for women sport: read the section Addition of Women leagues in United States and Canada on the page Template talk:Major Leagues, Ça c'est mon coup de gueule bien à moi et je ne suis pas une féministe. --Geneviève (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


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