Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC 17

DC Meetup #17 May 7, 3:30 pm &mdash; Tenley-Friendship Library

This will be the first official meeting of the proposed Wikimedia DC chapter and we will also update everyone on our successful Wikimania 2012 bid! A post-meeting dinner will then take place, where discussion can continue.


 * RSVP here

Where, what & when?
Meetup/DC 16 is short notice (sorry!), but let's think about when, what, and where for DC meetup #17. --Aude (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I preferred the old practice of having the meetups:
 * On weekends, and
 * with a lot more advance notice. --BRG (talk) 19:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * For the regular meetups, totally. I believe that meetup 16 is being held on a Tuesday night with short notice because we only found out about the person from Dutch Wikipedia's being in town recently and something needed to be arranged quickly, plus #16 seems more like a "business" meetup than the purely social ones that we usually go to.  This one will almost definitely be a weekend planned out well in advance.


 * That said, I liked having the meetup on a Sunday night last time. I liked it that we were the loudest ones in the room.  I also would like to take a new venue out for a spin this time around if possible, and so if anyone has any ideas for restaurants, we should bring it up.  Two places that we looked at for our company holiday party were Eatonville and Policy, both on the U Street corridor.  Might be interesting, and I'll give them a buzz to see how they would do with our requirements.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the short notice and weeknight is not ideal. For #17, I'd be happy to try either of your suggested places.  We can also do the meetup on a Sunday.  Maybe March 20? Since that's before our Wikimania bid is finalized. March 27 weekend is the chapters/board meeting, and although we're not going, assume Kat & NYC folks are going. Otherwise, we can April 1? Cheers. --Aude (talk) 21:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * April 1 is a Friday. Did you mean April 2 or 3?  Also, I would suggest going into April for this, like the first weekend, in order to give a little more time to plan.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, April 3, I think that's good. Please check with those places and see if they are good. --Aude (talk) 02:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Looking at the two menus, Eatonville looks rather expensive. Policy is somewhat more reasonable. I do like the idea of going somewhere we haven't been to before, though. -- BRG (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you mentioned something, because I actually did do my homework for both of these locations (and then forgot to post it), and I think we're unfortunately going to have to nix both of them on account of not being able to accommodate our group the way we need. So back to the drawing board on venues, it seems, because I do want to try a new venue.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to try just about anything, but don't have any good ideas off top of my head. --Aude (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi guys, here are some places that are reasonably priced and good for groups. Reservations can be made at some of them. I eat out way too much, and live in Logan Circle, so, I tend to explore my surroundings a lot, so perhaps this can help a bit: Old Ebbitt Grill, Founding Farmers, Mai Thai, Bistrot du Coin (I love this place!!), Mama Ayeshas (I wrote the article about this.)...perhaps this gives you some other options too =) Missvain (talk) 23:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Obviously, April 2 or 3 is now short notice and not ideal. User:Edsu was interested in hosting us at LOC for a meetup sometime, so I'm asking him if sometime in mid or late-April would be good. We probably would want to talk some about us becoming a chapter, update everyone about Wikimania, and talk about things we might want to do as a group this summer/fall. We can go somewhere afterwards to eat and socialize, probably around Capitol Hill / Eastern Market area. Does this sound good? Cheers. --Aude (talk) 21:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Kirill [talk] [prof] 21:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Per BRG's remark (see at the top of this page), I would suggest we start picking a date and location "right now-ish" so there will be plenty of notification time for everyone. Since I typically host my ASL Dinner every second and fourth Saturday, I would pick a third Saturday (that would be April 16) for a meetup so I can be there (yeah, I admittedly am self-interested regarding the date pick).  For eating, a Chinese restaurant would be nice and fun.  Then again I'm afraid it might require an advance reservation.  I dunno, so I shall leave that to other to hash it out.  Incidentially, April 16 is after April 11, the date of announcement of Wikimania bid, so I say that would be a good date anyway, especially if the Wash. DC wins the bid ...smile. --TheBlueWizard (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Would April 14th work for people? how about 6:30pm? User:Edsu can arrange for us to meet at the Library of Congress on that date. I know some folks like Saturdays, but Ed can't arrange a Saturday. (our May meetup should be a Saturday at NARA II) --Aude (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If anyone interested, we could meet up before for dinner or continue after the meetup at a pub or some place to eat. --Aude (talk) 22:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced that holding the event at LOC is worth excluding the people who would have difficulty making a weekday meetup, particularly if this is intended to be a significant planning session for Wikimania/Wikimedia DC/etc. rather than purely a GLAM meeting with LOC staff. Kirill [talk] [prof] 23:00, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm...I was unaware that the meetup at LOC on a Saturday is no good, so sorry for picking April 16. I think we should choose priorities on some activities.  I am not saying having a planning session should be more important than having a meetup at LOC, but I think it is best to make a decision what we want first.  Just my 2 cents.  --TheBlueWizard (talk) 02:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * LOC is suggested only because they can give us a meeting room, and the meeting would be nothing to do with GLAM activities. We'd probably talk about Wikimania, mostly. If we can find a suitable venue that's available on a Saturday, then agree that could be better for more people. One worry about LOC is we risk losing our meetup venue if the government shuts down :( --  (for the NARA meetup, would the first Saturday of May be good?) --Aude (talk) 03:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Straw poll
Indecision, indecision... we need a decision on a meetup date. I'm not sure April 23 is good for people (who knows, I could be wrong), but it is Easter weekend. Below are some dates (weekend and weeknight).

We would meet in the afternoon, possibly at the Tenleytown library (with wifi) or another library that has a meeting room (let me know if you have a DC library card or DC drivers' license and can reserve the room). We welcome other ideas or offers of meeting space. (note: a Sunday won't work, since most libraries are closed)

The agenda would be to talk about Wikimania (if our bid is selected), and steps involved in forming the Wikimedia DC chapter, and get your input / involvement. We can then migrate to a nearby restaurant and socialize.

Please let us know which dates are good for you and we'll make a decision this weekend or early next week. --Aude (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) --Aude (talk)
 * 2) I can do this date, I'll just have to leave at 4pm. L Faraone  14:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3)  harej  22:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Afternoon. Racepacket (talk) 01:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) --TheBlueWizard (talk) 04:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)...
 * 2) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Missvain (talk) 23:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) Might have something else going on that day, but willing to skip it or duck out of it to come to a meetup, if the date is good for people. --Aude (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Tentatively yes. L Faraone  14:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3)  harej  22:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Afternoon. I am conducting a morning event from 9 to 11 a.m. Racepacket (talk) 01:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Missvain (talk) 23:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Out of town

Yes

 * 1) --Aude (talk)
 * 2) L Faraone  14:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Racepacket (talk) 01:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2)  harej  16:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Weekdays are generally not good for these things for me.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC) No as of now, but that may change. I support having a weekday as well as a weekend meeting so those who can't make one will be able to make the other

Yes

 * 1) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) --TheBlueWizard (talk) 04:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Missvain (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) Transparency Camp is the same weekend. --Aude (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3)  harej  22:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Event in morning, memorial service in afternoon. Racepacket (talk) 01:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) --Aude (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Tentatively.  harej  22:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Missvain (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) L Faraone  14:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Racepacket (talk) 01:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC) More of a maybe, depends on schedule.

Yes

 * 1) --Aude (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) L Faraone  14:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) --Pharos (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4)  harej  22:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) If in the evening. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 22:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) Evening. Racepacket (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Kirill [talk] [prof] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Evening. --TheBlueWizard (talk) 04:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Preferred date.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) --AutoGyro (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC) seems to work out for most people, but I wouldn't be against the idea of having two general meetings
 * 11) Missvain (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No

 * 1) --Gavin Baker (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Reserve restaurant?
I'm a bit confused. Is the meeting two hours and then dinner? In any case, there aren't that many restaurants that can seat 8-12 on a Saturday night right within walking distance, without a reservation - except perhaps at very separate tables. So I don't know if people want to make a reservation for at least 8? Perhaps at the Mexican place, whose name I forget off hand. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mexican restaurant in Tenleytown is called Guapos. It would be a good option, since we wouldn't have to worry about the whole meeting moving to a different location. Anyone else agree? harej  14:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's better to have an actual meeting in a library without noise and distraction. Just thinking in terms of people having to wait a long time, or split up or not even be able to get tables afterwards. CarolMooreDC (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, that's been the plan. Hence the "Tenley-Friendship Library" at the top of the page and the reservation I have for their meeting room. The dinner would be something afterwards that hasn't been entirely fleshed out yet. I think having it in the neighborhood is the best option. harej  22:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Basic look at Wikipedia namespace proportional editing for attendees (planning and tentative)
See User:Ceyockey/DC17useranalysis. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 02:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Novel concept, but is there a broader point you're trying to make? harej  03:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, just looking at available information on the participants to get a notion of who was attending. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Still kinda cool, though. Nothing in there really surprises me, i.e. the people who have more non-article edits are the ones I kind of suspected all along of being the folks with more non-article contributions.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Diverse" would be better word than "balanced" - which connotes others are unbalanced and obviously has potetional to be unconsciously pejorative. While people who have a lot of Admin or Meta.wikimedia or similar experience certainly can offer a lot of value that those who mostly edit might not, there should not be a hidden bias that is true. I personally feel bad I spend so much time in article and policy talk because I've let myself get bogged down in so many controversial articles needing discussion or clarification. Many good articles I could have created have gone un-created. CarolMooreDC (talk) 22:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've made a couple of changes . . . 'balance' & 'balanced' to 'diversity' & 'diversified' . . . added qualifier to the opening line, that this is a look at the "edit-count portfolio". --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * One thing this points out is that there is a HUGE range of editing styles (article proportion varies from ~16% to >98%). Another thing it highlights (but not based on information in the table) is that there really is some " maturation transformation" which takes place as editors are more active (> edit counts).  I think there was an essay on that written some years ago. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that I personally started off doing nothing but article edits and now I seldom touch articles! harej  01:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for changes! :-)  CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting bit of analysis. I have noticed that editors in the DC area seem to be some (not all or even a majority of course) of the more well known and several are extremely active in a variety of areas. The analysis is a little misleading though. For example, in my case, I have 5910 edits to User talk pages but that only equals about 2.55% of my total. Admittadly I am probably a bad example because most users don't have near the number of edits I do but I thought I should mention it. --Kumioko (talk) 20:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 232,000 edits... wow. Yeah, I'd say most of us don't have that many, but when you're doing work on WikiProject US templates, it's easy to rack 'em up once you get on a roll...  SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah AWB really helps not just for Talk page templates but for other things too. :-) --Kumioko (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)