Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 24

Renaming 1993 Bombay bombings
Two months ago, moved 1993 Mumbai bombings to 1993 Bombay bombings. Yesterday, moved the article back to 1993 Mumbai bombings, and I reverted the move. I believe for formality's sake, it should be named Bombay bombings, not Mumbai bombings. Nichalp believes that this name should not be since it is not a formal name. He showed me some news links using "Mumbai" instead of "Bombay", and I have found many sources using "Bombay" instead of "Mumbai". A comparitive Google match of "Mumbai blasts", "Mumbai bombings" vs. "Bombay blasts", "Bombay bombings" showed that Bombay generated more hits. I'd like some opinions on what the article should be titled.  Nish kid 64  14:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Much as I like/prefer Bombay it is called Mumbai now. Perhaps a check on when the name change occurred can help ? If the blasts were before then they can be called Bombay, and if after the name change date -Mumbai. Haphar 15:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This happened in 1993, when it was called Bombay. See this post: Talk:1993 Bombay bombings. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  15:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Mudaliars and Vellalars of Jaffna
There is a misconception here that the british created a new elite who styled themselves as mudaliars or vellalars. After the formation of the Jaffna Kingdom, Vellalar Chiefs and Mudaliars migrated to Jaffna. This is chronicled in the Kailaya Malai and Vaipava Malai. Could somebody clarify the misconception that has been created that the Vellala/Mudaliar domination in Jaffna is a modern phoneomeon. These clans trace themselves to pre-13th century tamil history. Tamil vellalar clans are from distinguished and blue-blooded clans of Tamil Nadu, not a British inspired phenomenon. I don't know which so-called experts come up with this British inspired story.

This is a quote from the Kailaya Malai(written around 17th century about the 13th-14th century migration into Jaffna):

''The king after ascending the throne appointed as his Primo Minister, Buvaneka Vaku, a learned Brahman of a high family in Madura, and made him reside at Nallur. He made Pandi Malava of Ponpattiyur, formerly of Venkatagiri, a man of Gengakula a man who had a plough flag, a man of great generosity and liberality, who was fully disposed to feed the poor and rich alike, to reside as Tirunelveli with his brother and brother-in-law. Chempaka Malava. Next came in Narasinga Deva of the Tuluva clan of the Vellala division; a man of Gengakula and a nobleman of worldwide fame. who freely patronised the learn, and used to wear a garland of waterlilies, was a great lover of learning, whose native place was Kaviriyur. He was made to resider at Mayiliddi.

Then came another leading Vellala who had a plough flag whose native place was Valinagar. He had the appearance of cupid; he was well versed in all the three branches of Tamil and his name was Chenpala Mappana. He and a relation of his called Chandrasekar Mappana and another called Kanakaraya. a Vellan Chetty by caste who used to wear a garland of cummin, were made to reside at Tellippalai, a place of great. fertility and of never-failing water-supply and of unique distinction. The next was the Vellala of Kovalur who had a plough flag and a garland of water-lilies, He was a man of great influence, learning and charming appearance, and his name was Perayiraua He was made to reside at Inuvil, a village abounding with sugarcane, plantain and arecanut trees and with paddy fields.

The next was a Vellala of Kachehur, whose hands were liberal as the Kalpa tree. He had a garland of water-lilies, he was a man of great wealth and of handsome appearance. He was of incomparanle valour, and of great devotion to Siva, and his name was Nilakanda. He and his four brother were made to reside at Pachilatpalli. The next was the Vellala of Sikari, a man of great intelligence who had a garland of water-lilies. He was famous for truthfulness, learning, civility, industry and was full of resource. He had a commanding appearance, and his name was Kanaka Malava. He with his four brothers was made to reside at Puloli.

The next was the Vellala of Kupakam. He was as wealthy as Kubera, he had a garland of water-lilies, he was a patron of the learned, he had a plong fiag and his name was Kupakarendra. He and Narangufeva a relation of his, famous for charitable deds, were made to rsside at Tholpuram, a town without an equal. The next was the Vellala of Pullur, an Arjuna in archery a Bhima in warfare, a Karna in liberality, a Dharma in fame and forbearance, whose name, was Devarajendra. He had corwn of gold set with precious stones, He was asked to reside at Koyilakkandi.

The next was the Vellala of the family of him who shed over kamban a shower of gold for the work of Erezhupatu, whose country was Tondainade, who had a widespread name, who used to wear a lotus garland and whose name was Maanadukanda Mudali. He was made to reside at Irupalai. The next was the Vellala of Seyur, who was as wealthy as Indra, and who never deviated from the path of visture. whose garland was of water lilies. Whose fame was great and whose paternal and maternal lines were matchless and pure and whose name was Taninayaga. He was made a ehief of Neduntiva. The next was the Vellala of Vanchi, whose name was pallava. He with two other chiefs, was placed at Velinadu.

The kind having appinted these, thought of appinting headmen and other servants and accordingly appointed Valliamatakan, a man of great valour and power, to be the headman of the Western division; Imaiyana to be the headman of the Northern division; Chenpaka Matakan, a powerful man whose name was known even as far as the Himalayas, to be the headman of the Eastern division; Vetti Matakan, a man of great power, to be the headman of the Southern division; Virasingan who fought several battles and an experienced soldier, to be the commander-in-chief of his army.'' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.151.177.106 (talk) 12:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC).


 * So why the post here? =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

World Heritage template
Hi! I created a template for World Heritage Sites: Infobox World Heritage Site. Since many protected areas tend to overlap with World Heritage-designated places, will it be possible to re-format the template in the same way as the Level 1, 2, 3... style? In that way, we can prevent too many infoboxes showing repetitive infos. In terms of its relationship with the IUCN protected areas, I found a link: http://whc.unesco.org/cairns/iucn-priorities.pdf (refer to page 15 of this publication/page 17 of the pdf file). Hope you can help in improving the template and making it more relevant to readers. Thanks. Joey80 13:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Passing on the request from my talk page to more knowledgeable in wiki software etc. Atulsnischal 13:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment on Wikiportal content.
I have a request for comment on Wikiportal from you all. Please refer query on Wikiportal talk page and respond.

Thanks Arunram 23:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Indian political pictures
What's the consensus over pictures of Indian political ministers, like this found here, an official Indian parliamentary site? I would have thought Template:India-politician-photo covers it, am I correct?

See Category:Official_photographs_of_Indian_politicians for more examples. Ekantik talk 17:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Indian government website pictures are copyrighted. They fail our fair-use criteria and cannot be used here. Please read Fair_use point #1 and Fair_use point #8. The ones in Category:Official_photographs_of_Indian_politicians will have to be removed too unless the person is not alive. We need to find copyright-free images for politicians elsewhere. Regards,  Ganeshk  ( talk ) 19:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I know that images of living people may not qualify as I have previous experience with uploading images of living people, but I would have thought that an Indian politician photo template would have covered images found at Indian governmental websites as fair use. It just seems a sad waste of effort the way I ran around finding an "official" image and then hunting down a template because Wikipedia policy hates living people. Rather disappointed but hey, what can you do? Ekantik talk 03:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Categories Requiring Diffusion
Hello! I just wanted to notify everbody here that there are a number of India-related categories tagged for diffusion. They are:
 * Category:History of India
 * Category:Universities and colleges in India
 * Category:Engineering colleges in India

Keep up the good work! --Hemlock Martinis 01:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Ethnic groups in India
 * Category:Geography of India
 * Category:Indian people
 * Category:Karnataka
 * Category:Kerala
 * Category:Maharashtra
 * Category:Social groups of India

No "Indian Television" Section?
I was wondering why there is no "Indian Television" department under the "Arts and Entertainment" section in the Project Organisation. I beleive Indian Television plays a serious part in scope of "India" just as well as the Cinema and Literature deparments. So is another deparment going to be added soon or does this WikiProject need to be discussed about it first? Because I am not quite keen in expanding any of the other deparments that are avaliable to expand at the moment. Thank You. --Bhavesh Chauhan 01:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * To start a new workgroup there should be a number of interested people, a clear outline and goal. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  13:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

India National Cricket Team article
Hello everybody,

I am more or less a newbie here. This is regarding the article "Indian national cricket team". I feel that the name is wrong and it should be changed to "Team India". I have started a discussion about this here, but not many are participating yet. Please see the discussion and comment. Thank you. Partha 03:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured article review/Tamil language
I've nominated Tamil language for featured article review. Please leave comments or improve the article directly if possible. Grand master  ka  01:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
This article has gone under a very calculated vandalism. The article’s primary monitors are not highly active at this moment. The statements are being manipulated to degrade the quality of this article. I urge those with good spirit to compare the actual FA article, and the current status and revert the vandalism as much as possible.

I can assure that the quality of the article was much better before. But, now it be being down graded little by little. Particularly, the into and history sections have been badly degraded.

--Natkeeran 06:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Konkani Wikipedia
Sorry, I forgot to give the link the last time.

wp/kok

--Deepak D&#39;Souza 04:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:INCINE help needed
Zora, who has been the main guardian of the Bollywood articles has recently left the project, and that means that the actor and film articles are now relatively unpatrolled for fancruft, personal opinions and unenyclopedic edits. Does anybody want to step up to the mark? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone should step into as I find several ones are members of WP:INCINE. I am out-of-date :) --Bhadani (talk) 13:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to be a patroller per se, but I'll take a look now and then. Baka man  15:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish you all the best! We I feel the absence of Zora. --Bhadani (talk) 15:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Devadasi
Hi. There is a quite a dispute going on at Devadasi (see the talk) and a few other pages. I don't know much about the caste issue involved so I have had trouble dealing with the problem. Please help out if you can, thanks. The Behnam 05:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:INDIA newslettter
WikiProject_India/Outreach/Newsletter/March_2007 for those of you who don't or didn't suscribe to the mailing list. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have delivered the newsletter/ links to those who have subscribed (members of WP:India). Blnguyen has a real penchant for editing! &mdash; Lost (talk) 08:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Government of Himachal Pradesh
Hi, I have completed my work on Government of Himachal Pradesh. Take a quick look at my work if possible. See the category- I wrote all the articles except one - governors in himachal. rest all are written by me. Sushant gupta 08:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Indian film stubs: split by language (or otherwise)
Please see this proposal for new stub types. Alai 16:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:INCOTW
Could someone take over management of INCOTW for some time? I am busy with college work and will be a bit inactive. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. I am taking it over. Contacting you in your talk page. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Jiddu Krishnamurti
Hi everyone. There is a conflict at Jiddu Krishnamurti, where several users are adding and removing references to his works. I fully protected the article for some days to force a discussion, which so far has given some insights of what everyone there think. However, the protection expired and again I am seeing an edit war brewing. If anyone knows something about him, I kindly ask to drop by there and give an opinion after reviewing the edit history. I do not feel like protecting the article again. Thanks in advance. -- ReyBrujo 20:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva propaganda== ==

Please weigh in on this article and your opinion on Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda. Haphar 10:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you.  Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Need a Free Image for Bhagavad Gita
Hi all, I have posted Image:Gita1.jpg on for deletion. Please participate in the discussion there, and also please help find a free alternative to that image. Which means a PD image published in India more than 60 years ago, depicting a similar scene for Krishna preaching Gita to Arjuna. Thanks --Spundun 18:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

History of Himachal Pradesh
My work on history of himachal is over. Soon I will try to nominate Himachal Pradesh for FAC. If anyone would love to join me then kindly add inform me. Thanks Sushant gupta 12:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Himachal Pradesh needs to match Kerala, West Bengal and Sikkim in content and referencing, before you go for PR. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Nichalp, I'll try my best. Thanks, Sushant gupta 11:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One more thing, if you are thinking that the topics related to History of Himachal Pradesh to look like that of West Bengal, then it is quite an impossible task because not much of the historical events are there which took place in the history of himachal. But then also I'll see what I can do about it before nominating the Himachal Pradesh for FAC/PR. Thanks Sushant gupta 11:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Take a quick look at the pages mentioned in the template.

Thanks Sushant gupta 11:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

IST vs Time in India
Comment please: Talk:Indian Standard Time. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  17:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi
A user selectively policing for BLP seems to think that chief whip of the BJP, parliamentary spokesman, and former Janata Party head Vijay Kumar Malhotra is notable for critizing Rahul Gandhi about his anti-Hindu behavior. This was ran in the hindu, rediff, hindustan times and many other mainstream newspapers. Baka man  00:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting SMS
I received an interesting SMS from Hutch yesterday. The message read "Wikepedia Search now on your mobile!Find information on anything under the sun by using his free encyclopedia!Log on to Planet Hutch> Info Services >Wikepedia". Looks like great promotion for wikipedia (though they got their spelling wrong). But I am concerned that they may not be totally complying with terms of GFDL. I am also not sure whether they can use "wikipedia" is such promotional messages. Any suggestions on what should be done? - Aksi_great (talk) 09:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest you e-mail someone in the main office and post this news at ANI. Nothing the India Wikiproject can do. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy)  14:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion moved to WP:ANI Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy)  14:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing. A company is free to promote Wikipedia. On a side note, a map I had created was put up on a billboard on a busstop in Mumbai. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  15:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, thats pretty cool, Nichalp! :-) Did they attribute it to Wikipedia? Or do they not have to? Think you can get a photo?
 * Back on the issue, I don't think it is a violation of the GFDL norms. Reliance Mobile also recently advertised an application called "Ncyclopedia" in its RWorld segment, which is nothing but a Java based Wikipedia search software. There was some controversy regarding how it charged Re.1 to access the service. But since they were displaying the required attribution (within the software), the issue was closed.--thunderboltz(TALK) 17:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they didn't even bother to credit wikipedia. I have the picture on my mobile, will try and upload it when I get on to Windows (for Bluetooth). Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright
Can someone please help me explain our Image copyright policy to a user at Talk:List_of_Chief_Ministers_of_Tamil_Nadu? He insists that images that show up on a press-release are free for everyone to use. Thanks, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 21:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

RCP on India related pages
Some of you may be using Special:Recentchangeslinked/List_of_India-related_topics to watch recent changes on India-related articles. That list is manually updated and may be out-dated. I copied User:WatchlistBot's source code and created the WikiProject India/Articles page. This page lists the first 10000 India-related articles. The bot looked for all articles that are tagged with the WP India tag and populated that list. The rest of the articles are in subpages, Page1 and Page2. Now you can track the history of the articles on the list using related changes or related watchlist which only shows the last change for each article. These links will watch the main-page, the links will have to be tweaked a little for sub-page checks. The bot has counted the total number of India-related pages (article and non-article) to be 21619 pages. Let me know what you think. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 06:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Very cool! I was indeed looking for this functionality... &mdash; Lost (talk) 18:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I have great pictures but how do I upload?
I have wonderful pictures of places in India but I dont understand how to upoad them...The Wiki help page is sometimes to long, to complicated, and not simple enough to understand how to upload a picture.....someone help Aryan100 08:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I don't think uploading is that difficult. It must be the copyright laws that are associated with it. In short Aryan100, if these pictures of Indian places are yours, ie. you photographed with your own two hands, then there is nothing to worry about. This section is all you have to read. Essentially you can choose which free license you release your images under. However, if you found your pictures on random websites, it is most likely that you are not allowed to use them while the exceptions are far and few between. GizzaChat  &#169; 11:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, first things first: Please answer this questionaire. We'll try to help you:


 * Is the image yours?
 * If yes, do you plan to release it so that any user can modify it AND use it for commercial purposes?
 * If no, images should not be uploaded to wikipedia.
 * If yes, do you want it to be attributed to you?
 * If yes, do you want a derivative to be released under the exact same licence?

Please answer this, we'll guide you further once done. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  15:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Sadhu (comics)
Please see the Sadhu, an article about a new Indian comic book series. Please comment and rate and assign a quality and importance level. Zuracech lordum 07:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Patel
The Patel article needs help. There are a lot of unsourced claims. Can anyone contribute? Akubhai 18:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Questionable comment
A certain user of "shithole" fame (or is it infamy), has topped his standard of vitriol once more with this comment effectively denigrating one-sixth of the world's population, and 80% of the people of India. I was hoping less involved users could perhaps analyze the conduct of this user and come to a consensus about his obvious predilection toward people espousing Hinduism. Baka man  22:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be wiser to report this user to WP:ANI. User misconduct are NOT in the domain of the Indian wikiproject. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy)  01:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have personal differences with the user, please try and resolve it amicably. If the user in question has make immature comments, please raise it with him, bring it to the notice of the admin community, and seek an apology. You DO NOT stoop to a similar level. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I do agree fully with Nichalp and Rama. No one should stoop to such a low level, and as rightly pointed out by Rama, the matter does not pertain to this page. A report may be made at WP:ANI or any other appropriate forum to avoid further precipatation of the issue involving editors in their personal capacities - let the collective wisdom of the wikipedia community take over the issue and resolve the same. --Bhadani (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Recent controversy comes to my mind. Anyways, the user in discussion seems to have gone on a break. Praveen 16:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Take it to AN/I or wherever the hell you wish. Please note, Baka, that the above-displayed inability to correctly comprehend simple sentences in English is only one of the reasons why you are a liability to this project. Hornplease 20:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Your ad hominem attacks are impotent. "Hindus are hopeless" has one meaning, and if dab meant something else its the issue of his command of English, not mine. If you think this statement by dab serves as an allusion, symbol, or figurative language, clearly your view is fringe. Repeating the same "liability/troll/tendentious" canard does not solidify your argument, it does however underscore your need to engage in the spewing of vitriol. Baka man  01:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Ravikiran
I believe the article Chitravina N. Ravikiran is simply misnamed, but I'm not expert on Indian naming conventions. Could someone please see my comments at Talk:Chitravina N. Ravikiran and respond there and/or move the article if appropriate? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 07:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language FARC
As you may know, Tamil language is currently up as a FARC (see the discussion here). All substantive issues have been addressed, but some concerns have been raised about the quality of the prose - essentially, the article needs a good copyedit from someone who can write well. Tony's comments towards the bottom of the discussion give some idea of what needs to be done, but I'm not at all good at copyediting. Could those of you who're more skilled at English than I am please take a look at the article? Particularly with the 0.5 release coming up, we really need to save every India-related article we can. Many thanks! -- Arvind 20:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * 0.5 release is already out. Tamil lanuage did make it. As did many other Indian FAs. Good work everyone! We still need to work on FARC though for it to show up Version 1.0. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 20:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Shenaz Treasurywala article
Hello. While not a member of this project, I just wanted to let you know that I created an article on Shenaz Treasurywala, which was subsequently on the front page's DYK section. I tagged the article with the WP India WikiProject notice. Speaking as a non-Hindi reader, I would be forever grateful if members of this project would look over the article and make corrections or additions. The article could especially use some assistance from a Hindi reader who could help complete the Infobox actor, especially with things like her birthdate. Thanks, --Kralizec! (talk) 14:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone through it, and corrected some minor issues. I think her name will also need to be in Gujarati, as that is the adopted lingua franca of the Parsi community. Some style issues: 1. at age 14 Shenaz was enrolled in school at Mumbai, doesn't read right. 2. The three trivia statements should be merged with the text. 3. First line of filmography needs to be split. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for your help! I really appreciate it, especially Bakasuprman's addition of her name in Hindi!  --Kralizec! (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Garcinia indica
Hi, I'm in some need of expert assistance. I see no interwikis for Garcinia indica (called kokum in Hindi), but I think there must be articles on this fruit in some of the other Wikipedias for Indic/Indian regional languages. Is anyone able to find this out? I don't know the name of it in some of the Dravidian languages but it's called "kokum" or "kokam" in Hindi and other North Indian regional languages, and is a relative of mangosteen and used as a souring agent in curries, seafood dishes, South Indian sharbats, etc. Thanks very much,  Badagnani 23:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw some thing here though I do not have much idea about Kokum. --Bhadani (talk) 03:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Is the project interested in India-specific categorization
Hello. I work on the categorization taskforce. Mostly we categorize articles that have absolutely no category, almost all of which are identified using the invaluable bot run by User:Alai. As it so happens, we're looking into the possibility of having the bot identify also articles whose sole category is a stub category with the idea that this part of the task can be outsourced to the relevant WikiProjects. Currently there are about 1000 uncategorized stubs related to India so we were wondering whether the project would be interested in the creation of a category like Category:India-related uncategorised stubs which would be periodically populated by the bot and worked on by you guys. Please drop us a line at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 05:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Good response at WP:INCOTW
The last week's Indian Collaboration of the week, Religion in India received good response, and underwent 136 intermediate revisions. This is huge, when compared to the number of revisions past few INCOTWs received (some in the range of 4 or 6 revisions).

Thanks everyone for participating in the INCOTW and help improving the article. This week's INCOTW is Education in India. Please help improving the article, and please visit WP:INCOTW so that the collaboration regains the past feats it achieved, as requested in WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 2 - March 2007. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yoga and Buddhism
An account by the id Knverma is persistently putting and  tags on the article. Kindly look into the matter and assess the article's citations, wording and judge for yourselves if the tags belong in that article. He has been mailing other users for help as well. Freedom skies 22:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Zen
The same user has been tagging the excellently well sourced Historical roots of Zen as well. He has been operating in conjunction with some disruptive Chinese users who want this section removed. I would request everyone to watchlist Zen as well. Freedom skies 22:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Advice requested reg content dispute
I had requested a split on Konkani people on 17th March 2007 and waited for any comments. So far nothing has come yet. This was after a content dispute between me and an anonymous user (who I suspect is a banned user or another experienced user with whom I was having a related dispute). Please see the talk page to understand the nature of the dispute. This user had made a PA against me and accused me of being anti-Marathi and a Konkani zealot.

I had even created a seperate page called "People of the Konkan Division" to placate those who felt that their ethnic categories should be added to the same page, but i felt should not be included on the same article. But it was deleted. Now I wish to proceed with the split but fear that it will only pull me back into a series of revert wars with this user(or maybe more users).

Can I ask for semi protection? Or any other dispute resolution mechanism which would serve the purpose? Any suggestion will be appreciated. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 10:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually there is no People of West Bengal, People of Tamil Nadu page either. It should stay at Konkan people. Baka man  22:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please go through the talk page again. I have mentioned the reason for the ambiguity and why it would be better to spearate the two as per lingusitic and geographic groups. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 04:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Its a bad idea and will lead to unnecessary confusion. People in Mumbai, Thane and Raigad are not considered to be Konkani people. Sindhudurg yes, Goa yes. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In fact separating the two will clear the confusion. When people in Maharashtra refer to someone as a Konkani(or rather Kokni as they spell it) they talk about someone who is native to the Konkan division(including Thane, Mumbai and Raigad), regardless of whether they speak Konkani or not. I have often faced the same problem in my personal life. IN this sense they refer to the geographic entity And when Konkani speakers refer to someone as a Konkani they mean someone who's mother tongue is Konkani Language.

Let me provide an example: Generally, in WIkipedia when we say Marathi people we mean people who speak Marathi language. This includes Marathi speaking people outside Maharashtra too and excludes non-Marathi speaking population inside Maharashtra (eg: Dakkini or Urdu speakers or Kannaada speakers, or Hindi speaking people in Vidharbha). Ditto for Bengali people and Tamil people. Each "langauge" article has a corresponding "people" article. In the case of Konkani people it gives rise to ambiguity because the term Konkani when applied to a person does not in all cases mean a person who speaks Konkani Language.

The Konkan division(the administrative division within Maharashtra and not the entire Konkan coast whose definition changes from person to person) has many separate groups which do not consider themselves to be an ethnically cohesive unit. For instance, take the Bene-Israelis, Samvedis, navayiths etc. In itself they deserve a separate article which would give a detailed description. And Konkani speakers and Marathi speakers from the Konkan Division do not see themselves as belonging to the same group.

It would be best to split them and provide a disambiguation page. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 07:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You would need to provide references to support the claim, and rational for the split. Konkani people would be related to people who speak the language. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I have been trying to say from the past 3 months to this anonymous chap! But no instead I am accuesed of being anti-Marathi and fed by Konkani zealots by this chap whom I have good reason to suspect is an existing or banned Wikipedian. He has even made a laughable comment that "Konkani" is an anglicize form of "Kokni". And the moment I remove non-Konkani speaking groups, expect a series of reverts. The only solution I see is to give them a separate page
 * I really don't know how I can cite references for this topic. You can take a look at Konkan and Konkani people and get some idea of the vast number of ethnicites that comprise the Konkan Division and Konkani (speaking) people. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 08:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I have split it into two:Konkani people and People of the Konkan Division. Lets see what happens next. Possibly a series of reverts?? --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As I expected. Only this time he/she has registered as a user and is reverting all the changes I and other users have made to "his version". He has even placed a speedy delete on People of the Konkan Division and put a merge tag on Konkani people. Any attempt to talk to him is frustrating. He refuses to see that all language articles have corresponding articles and is telling me to "start an article named Konkani-speaking people". Can anyone help please? --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 07:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for India-related articles
I propose to have a new India-related policy for naming conventions (places, people, etc):


 * 1) For all article naming conventions in English, we refer to publications by Indian media sites (viz – Times of India, NDTV, Hindustan Times, The Hindu).
 * 2) Criteria for choosing the above sites publications include a national coverage, high value brand recollection among media publications and consistency among media articles
 * 3) Government sources not chosen as they lack consistency
 * 4) The list is not exaustive, but should be restricted to top all-India publications.
 * 5) Consistency should score above all.

Please comment. I've also linked this proposal from Village pump (policy) =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I want to add the name of The Telegraph and The Statesman from Eastern India to the above list of media sources for selecting naming convention. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  11:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Straw poll

 * Support
 * =Nichalp  «Talk»=  17:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * --Dwaipayan (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * --Bhadani (talk) 04:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose


 * Comment
 * I got this question on my talk page. I thought it would be a good example for us to apply this proposal. If we go by media sources and MOS, it should be called Indian armed forces. The government website names it Indian Armed Forces (capitalized A and F) as it is named currently. Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 04:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Official Indian websites tend to use the title case more often than the sentence case. I think it should be Indian armed forces, consistent with MOS. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If the term Indian armed forces is used as a proper name, then it would correctly be Indian Armed Forces. An organisation can have a proper name just as much as an individual. Only prepositions and conjunctions would then not be in proper case. To take an obvious example United Nations, not United nations. Imc 18:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What about cases like Lalu Prasad Yadav, where it was "officially" clarified in 2004 that his name is to be spelled "Lalu" and that is the spelling used by GoI sites (AFAIK), but some reliable news organizations, such as BBC, Outlook, Hindustan Times, NDTV etc continue to use Laloo. My point being, shouldn't we use the Indian media as a gauge, only if official/authorized sources (e.g., GoI sites, company websites for corporate biographies etc) are unhelpful, i.e. as a fall-back rather than primary option ? Also, are we to restrict attention to English Indian media ? Abecedare 05:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, I've come across this for Jaganath Shunkerseth, where the spelling was clarified in Mumbai Mirror. If it is clarified by any one media source, we used the corrected version and reference it. It overides all others on grounds of technical and legal accuracy. This also is consistent with the goals of an encyclopedia as a means of transmitting the correct information. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I missed your comment on non-Indian media. I've noticed that BBC has a lot of inconsistencies when dealing with Indian places, so best leave it out. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  04:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok if I go and make this policy? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  06:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't there be some more discussion? 3 votes is perhaps too few for building a consensus-based policy ... --Ragib 06:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was hoping more people participate. Just 1+2 people expressed support, and three had something to contribute to the discussion. I'm hoping to revive this discussion. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you clarify what are all covered by this proposal ? I am curious whether this will also cover issues like whether initials should be expanded in the title and whether full names are to be used for movie actors. Re. the latter, many South Indian actors like Joseph Vijay and Simran Bagga appear with their surname (which practically no one knows or uses, and which you will rarely find used in mainstream media) instead of under their screen name, so that they will agree with the Hollywood conventions. Tintin 06:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would have commented here earlier but don't often look here. Without the creation of a coherent policy for all related naming, I don't think this will succeeed. I've participated in, and written a fair bit of Naming conventions (Indic), but that also died a death due to lack of interest. My own preference; this is supposed to be an encyclopaedia, so take it seriously, and go for an academic naming style for almost everything, including places in general. Exceptions would be modern cities, states, et.c. with an established name and convention, and modern people. As to whether newspapers and media will maintain a spelling unless they themselves have an explict convention, I have my doubts. Imc 18:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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Geography of Himachal Pradesh
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Notifying edits to Gatka
I have been editing/expanding articles related to Indian martial arts for some time. I found the Gatka article in this state and proceeded to edit it to this state. The article was neglected despite being important to the Sikh faith and Indian martial arts. I thought I should notify my edits here. Freedom skies 04:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)