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Science in Poland
Hi, I'd like to create a "Science in Poland" template, but I don't believe there are any articles or lists that could be placed in this template. Right now there are only categories. Is anyone who's more familiar with these topics interested in whipping up some articles? I'm interested in lists of famous Poles by science (e.g. "List of Polish physicists"), as well as general articles (e.g. "Astronomy in Poland"). Appleseed 19:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Poland. The closest thing we have ATM is Timeline of Polish science and technology (to which Polish science and technology redirects to), but its a start. You may want to create some redirects like Science in Poland to make sure people can find the articles easier in the future. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Equipment of the Polish Army
Whole series is a big... rubbish! Photos are mostly with fair use license or "PD" without any reason. In datas are mistakes... Moreover there are already sections with equipment in Polish Air Force and whole list of List of ships of the Polish Navy. Temporary I change part of those articles into redirects but it needs our attention and fast reaction. Radomil talk 14:09, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Marie Curie
Kolejna mini-wojenka o narodowość. Jeden użytkownik upiera się o: "Marie Curie [...] was a French chemist of Polish origin". Balcer 16:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Kulturkampf
Witam, absurdalny spór z niemieckimi użytkownikami o Kulturkampf, upierają się że nie miał antypolskiego charakteru i Polacy nie byli celem prześladowań ani żadnych ustaw.W talk dochodzi już do absurdu, bo przy podaniu dokładnych żródeł potwierdzających takie cechy Kulturkampfu, po prostu odpowiadają że nic takiego nie ma w artykule(nawet gdy to wyrażnie pisze), artykuł nie jest na temat Kulturkampfu(choć o nim pisze), lub że jest o Polsce więc jest oczywiście stronniczy(choć nawet nie napisał go Polak).Zresztą sami zobaczcie.Mi już powoli ręce opadają. --Molobo 00:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions (use English) survey
The following may be of interest to Polish wikipedians: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English). It's a survey that started six months ago, but apparently some people are still voting. -- Curps 18:43, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Featured articles in other languages
This needs... well, this needs creating :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

New FAC picture
Featured picture candidates/Maly Szyszak. Feel free to comment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

New one: Featured_picture_candidates/Kosciuszko%27s_Oath. Feel free to comment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Check article Russophobia, to be neutral I believe it needs some Polish opinions too.

Gdańsk Vote stronniczy ?
Gdy tylko pojawiły się polskie nazwy w niemieckich miejscowościach łączących się z Polską historią zostałem poinformowany że należy je usunąć bo "powodują konflikt". No cóż wygląda na to że Gdansk Vote dotyczy tylko Polskich miejscowości...--Molobo 19:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Wyszło mydło z worka ... To był jednak dobry pomysł z tymi Polskimi nazwami! Ja ze swej strony zajmę się Królewcem i Prusami Wschodnimi (za podszeptem Molobo). Do następnego (oby szczęśliwego) plebiscytu! Wasz Kosmak aka Space Cadet 00:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

By uniknac takich problemów w przyszłości, zerknijcie i wypowiedzcie się na Wikipedia_talk:Survey_guidelines. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Poland stubs
I found and commented on Poland_bio_stubs_split proposal, and proposed creation of Polish history stubs. Comments appreciated. We may also consider creating Polish culture stubs and others. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

This is the list of Poland related stubs, note that some of them are very new: I would like to see some others, especially: I am sure those two would have many entries. I am less sure about:
 * Poland-stub
 * Poland-geo-stub
 * Poland-bio-stub
 * Poland-writer-stub
 * Poland-noble-stub
 * Poland-mil-bio-stub
 * Poland-hist-stub
 * Poland-mil-stub (for all military related - (see also this proposal))
 * General:


 * Poland-art-stub
 * Poland-culture-stub
 * Poland-struct-stub (that's for buildings, so far they are under Poland-geo-stub, and there are Germany and UK struct stubs)
 * Bio:


 * Poland-actor-stub
 * Poland-artist-stub
 * Poland-politics-stub
 * Poland-politician-stub
 * Poland-scientist-stub

What do you think? If you like this idea, please support my proposal at Proposal for Polish history stubs and feel free to add your own - you just have to prove there are 'a good number' of stubs that would benefit from this cat. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Update: a good number is 50+, everything over 80 passes without opposition. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There are almost 800 Poland-geo-stubs now that I have finished moving stuff from Poland-stub (which is now down to less then 400 stubs). I think we can have not only Poland-struct-stub, but also create some administrative-division stubs, but I'd need help for this (especially how the stubs should be organized? by voivdship?). See Category:France geography stubs and Category:United Kingdom geography stubs for some examples (Germany geo-stub divison is now undergoing voting). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Proposal - please vote! (and don't forget history stub vote)!--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Dziwny edit u niektórych reprezentatów szlachty Polskiej
hej z ciekawości zauważyłem że jakiś Rosjanin daje dziwne dodatki do niektórych osób z Rzeczpospolitej(zalicza ich do Rosyjskiej szlachty), nie wiem czy są prawdziwe, wydają się być troszkę rusyfikacyjne.Ja się w tym  temacie nie orientuje zbyt dobrze ale może ktoś oceni ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C5%82_Kleofas_Ogi%C5%84ski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Franciszek_Ogi%C5%84ski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Rurikids

--Molobo 16:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Tnx. Ghirlandajo has done some controversial edits in the past. but this time I think his explanation is good enough. See User_talk:Ghirlandajo. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Coastal cities events
I wonder whether the title of this article is chosen well. Coastal Cities Events is a very generic term which is difficult to place and certainly not likely to be queried. (December) 1970 Insurrection in Poland or something similar seems like a better and more descriptive title. Chelman 16:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The Polish name is 'December 1970', an even more generic title. I am not sure if we should invent a new name for it. It would be useful to do a search and see how this is referenced in exisitng English sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:32, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that 'December 1970' would be a useless title. I do think that some kind of reference to Poland in the title might be useful. Coastal cities events in Poland might be a better query hook. I checked out some google queries and the events seem to occur under a variety of terms ranging from '1970 riots' to '1970 rebellion' and '1970 insurrection'. Chelman 18:07, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as for querry, redirects should be enough, and it doesn't really matter where the article is, as long as there are no disambig questions. Rebellion or insurrection are definetly an overstatement. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it make sense to say 'Polish coastal city events of December 1970'? I think that makes it clearer than anything else that has been suggested. -- Adz 04:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

How about "Polish 1970 protests"? It provides the essential "what," "where" and "when" of the subject. "Coastal cities events" provides none of these, and could be mistaken as referring to a Sopot music festival. logologist 04:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

History of Ukraine series
Take a look, comment and modify the new Template:History of Ukraine to be added to the articles of the series! Maybe more or less articles should be included. Comments are welcome at talk of the template. Thanks! --Irpen 19:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Very useful tool
I found an extremly useful tool for all editors: go see Tools/Navigation_popups. Tools has lots of other interesting things, but so far I tried the navigation popup and I think it's going to save me a lots of time. I strongly recommend you take a look at this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's a great tool! Chelman 17:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it safe ? --Lysy (talk) 18:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Znaczy się? I have been using it for few days and it doesn't seem to have any adverse effects... User:Gerbrant/WikiCheck seems like another useful thing - a dockable, permnament watchlist. I managed to install it, unfortunately, it needs translation from some (Scandinavian?) language to be really functional. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Aqua template
''I copied the following from VIllage pump assistance. I know that this is not exactly Poland related but maybe someone with a fleeting interest in aquarium related things could help out. Mind you, good wiki/html skills are more useful than a knowledge of aquarium related things. I'd be grateful for any help.Chelman 17:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking of developing a dynamic (sweetwater)aquarium guide template similar to the taxobox. Per species of fish one can add:

temperature ph range general hardness range carbonate hardness range whether the fish is a bottom, surface or 'middle' dweller whether it requires flowing water ease of keeping ease of breeding

Preferably this would use graphic icons.

I wonder whether there is a place on wikipedia where i can experiment with dynamic templates? And is there anyone who would be willing to provide assistance?

Chelman 15:30, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Well....actually i got down to it and managed to put down an early version. you can check the template out by adding the following to an aquarium fish-species page (use the preview mode ;) :

I would be most grateful for any and all suggestions on how to improve the template.

Chelman 16:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Try Templates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Who painted this?
Another of Emax unsourced artifacts. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Which election?
Any ideas?

There are many more Poland-related images without source, author or even good caption at User:Emax/Image_gallery/Portrety. Help needed! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Found a match using Google Image search: encyklopedia.interia.pl. According to that page, the painting shows the election of Augustus II in 1697. Balcer 07:13, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Tnx! I have added all 4 election pictures to the free election article. Let me know if you know of any others. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment, please
At Featured picture candidates/Kosciuszko's Oath. And feel free to nominate other pics connected with Poland! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And Featured_picture_candidates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:12, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow put in Wikipedia the picture of Copernicus shown in this article. The picture shows a computer reconstruction of his face, based on a skull which is highly likely to be his, found in a grave below the floor of Frombork Catherdral. Do we need to obtain permission, or can we just use it under some license, since it is the work of a Polish Government organization? Balcer 16:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

That picture is disturbing, to say the least! I don't know about you guys, but I would rather go with the existing picture. Space Cadet 18:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I am not proposing getting rid of the existing picture, only suggesting that it would be useful to include this one on Wikipedia as well. After all, it is not often that one can see what a major historical figure actually looked like (assuming that the computer reconstruction is approximately accurate). Obviously the portraits of Copernicus painted during his lifetime leave much to be desired in terms of accuracy, given the painting techniques of the time. Balcer 18:49, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, how about just putting a link to that picture in the article, so that people can have access to it. This way the more sensitive users will not be forced to look at it. I mean, when I look at that picture, I'm ready to blow chunks, guys. Thanks for understanding. Space Cadet 19:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Try Boilerplate request for permission. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Copyright problem with Polish coats of arms?
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Image_copyright_tags. We have an anon claiming Wikipedia/Emax 'stole' those pictures from his book. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:22, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

New FAC
Please comment at Featured article candidates/Polish-Muscovite War (1605-1618). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Geographic names
Please take a look at the proposals at Naming_conventions/Geographic_names and then comment on the talk page. This is largely a Polish-related issue as most of the Polish territory was shifted westwards after WW2. We are trying to work out a proposal of general rules for geographic naming that would be acceptable thoughout Central/Eastern Europe there. It seems we are pretty close to the final version but your constructive comments are very welcome. There's no voting yet. --Lysy (talk) 12:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Resubmitted FAC
Please comment on Featured article candidates/History of the Jews in Poland. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Google Print
I just want to bring to everyone's attention that Google has made available a wonderful new resource, Google Print (link). This service allows you to search inside a large number of books on all topics, and then view scans of the book's pages on which the term you are looking for is present. Note that to protect the book's copyright, some pages cannot be accessed. Also, full access to the text requires a Google account (i.e. a gmail account), available for free (but an invitation from an existing account holder is usually required). Balcer 00:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Google Print is mighty useful. Another 'a must' tool for any serious Wikipedian, like Google Scholar. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Polish saints
I recently created the Polish saints category, and I would appreciate your help in populating it. Appleseed 13:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:Polish saints? Nice, but I'd suggested creating an article on Polish saints first. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

"June of Poznań"
as a title, could be misconstrued by the world outside Poland — which, presumably, is the article's main reader — as referring to a children's-book heroine named "June" who lives in Poznań. I would suggest changing the article's title to something more communicative, like "Poznań 1956 protests." logologist 05:09, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

"March 1968 events"
is a title that does not specify the place or nature of the "events." I suggest that this title be changed to something like "Polish 1968 political crisis," in accordance with the article's content. logologist 05:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Pułkownik
Please take a look at the Polkovnik article. Since Polkovnik and Polkovnyk were recently merged I thought some of you guys may expand on Pułkownik term in the same article. UA/RU Polkonvik and Polkovnyk have a reasonable amount of material and adding some to the Pułkownik section would be useful. That is, of course, if there are no objections to have Pułkownik be a part of the Polkovnik as I imagine there might be. In any case, please take a look. --Irpen 23:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Polish mythology
Copied to Eastern European Wikipedians' notice board, as it seems to be a wider problem. Honestly, I don't know who writes most of this (well, anons do), but I have nominated some of this stuff to VfD previously. See especially the Polish_mythology and Special:Whatlinkshere/Polish_mythology. There is so much strange stuff there that I don't know what we should do - some of it may be legitimate, some may be bogus - not my area of expertise. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I previously attempted to draw attention to these totally unreferenced articles with bogus content. There is little data on Slavic gods, almost all of it derived from Vladimir's pantheon as described in Primary Chronicle, therefore detailed descriptions of their worship are most likely forged by Slavic neo-Pagans. Lada and Lado, for instance, are obviously pseudo-gods. --Ghirlandajo 15:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates
Comment please :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Requests_for_adminship
I think many of us may be able to - and should - give some interesting comments here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Feudal dissolution
Regarding the article Kingdom of Poland during feudal dissolution, do you think the term "feudal dissolution" is appropriate? "Feudal dissolution" and "regional division" are the two terms I've seen used in WP regarding that period of Polish history, and I arbitrarily chose the former when I created the article. (I'd discuss this in the article's talk page, but it doesn't get a lot of traffic. An anonymous user originally raised this question on Talk:List of Polish monarchs). Appleseed 18:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The process is absolutely analagous to the feudal dissolution of Russia or France. I believe the term is quite appropriate. --Ghirlandajo 13:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The term I encountered was "Fragmentation". Space Cadet 13:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It sounds ok to me. What is the usage in related litarature? Other possible (used) names can be used as redirects and mentioned in the lead, I think (hopefully) the naming of this event will not be controversial.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I checked Davies, and he uses "period of fragmentation" or simply "fragmentation". If no one objects, I'll move the article to Kingdom of Poland during period of fragmentation. Appleseed 02:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I've also seen "regional partition" and alike in use. Anyway, any name seems fine to me. Just like Appleseed I had the same problem of chosing between "Feudal dissolution" and "regional division", and usually chose the latter name, though the earlier seems fine as well. Halibutt 16:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Peter Suschitzky
Please check Peter Suschitzky, started by anon several minutes ago. --Ghirlandajo 13:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems legit Chelman 13:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Golden Age of the Commonwealth
My favourite Matejko. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 07:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Jeszcze żaden z nas nie zdążył zagłosować, a tam już przynudzają. Zachęcam wszystkich do głosowania. Appleseed 02:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Care to say it in English? --Ghirlandajo 09:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It says: None of you voted so far and people there are already getting bored. I encourage everyone to vote. Halibutt
 * Thanks. It's better to stick to English. --Ghirlandajo 09:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not better to stick to any single language. However, it's always better to ask for translation after the comment was made and not years afterwards in someone's RfA. This way you get the translation instantly. Halibutt 09:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In case you forget, this is an English-language project. So I shouldn't have to ask for translations at all. --Ghirlandajo 09:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ghirlandajo that we should be using English here. I don't mind any language in user space but not here. --Lysy (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Drang nach Osten
The article in question was recently revised by anon, who attempts to push German POV: --Ghirlandajo 15:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)