Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Podcasting/Archive 11

Podcasting notability criteria
I would like to propose a notability criteria for podcasts. Considering podcasts stemmed from blogs and radio, I believe WP:WEBCRIT and WP:RPRGM should be what we base our criteria on. I think a podcast should be considered notable if it meets one of these criteria: These are just me spitballing so feel free to make suggestions. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The podcast has received significant coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources.
 * The podcast has received a significant award such as a Webby Award or iHeartRadio Podcast Award. (nominations do not count)
 * The podcast has been syndicated on a national radio station such as NPR, BBC, CBC, or ABC.
 * The podcast has been listed within the top three on the iTunes charts for an extended period of time which can be verified with independent and reliable secondary sources.


 * Something like this can be very helpful for people who want to write about a podcast as a way to work out if their article is suitable for Wikipedia. Significant coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources is the core concept of the notability policy, so I'd adjust the pre-amble to something along the lines of To have an article on Wikipedia, a podcast must have received significant coverage in independent and reliable secondary sources. There are various indicators that a podcast will have received such coverage: and then lead into the bullet points. If memory serves, the guidelines around the notability of sportspeople were reworked recently to re-emphasise the importance of significant coverage. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @TipsyElephant, I have no issue with what you laid out above, but it seems that this is already called out on the main project page under WP:POD, is it not? Are you just intending to flush out the verbiage there?  I guess the inclusion of RPRGM is an addition not quite called out, and that makes a lot of sense; however, it should be noted that RPRGM falls under WP:NMEDIA, which is widely cited and accepted for the most part, but it is still an essay, and not a full WP:SNG.  If you would like to reach a full WP:SNG unique status for podcasts, I fear you may be facing an uphill battle.  Discussions at WT:N seem to steer away from introducing new SNGs as full guidelines instead of essays, and a recent proposal for a new WP:NTV failed at WT:NTV. I do think having things written out locally for the project makes sense, though. -2pou (talk) 18:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So part of the reason I was suggesting this was because I've seen people in AfDs occasionally being unsure what SNG to apply to a podcast. Perhaps we could get this added to the WP:NMEDIA essay? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you think I'd have a shot at getting a notability criteria for podcasts added to WP:NMEDIA? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would think so, given that it is closely related to radio programming, but I'm not positive. Starting a discussion on that talk page might get you better feedback. -2pou (talk) 00:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've opened a discussion regarding this topic at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(media). If anyone would like to further discuss the proposal please leave comments there. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Sowt podcasts (and Manbet)
Sowt's Arabic podcasts have been growing in popularity. Manbet is an educational podcast in its 4th season, which has a Wikimedia collaboration this spring; worth at least covering in the Sowt article. – SJ + 02:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * it might be too late to ask, but would you mind linking to the Wikimedia collaboration? Do you have any non-English sources that might be helpful or perhaps know of any editors who know Arabic and might be interested in working on the page? TipsyElephant (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's a link from the WM blog. I found what seemed to be brief mentions in Arabic from Sowt but it's hard to connect the dots.  The collab seems mainly a grant, not particularly based in WP content. – SJ +  20:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Rotating List of Podcast Proposals
Feel free to add a podcast if it's trending on iTunes or you think it qualifies as a well-known classic TipsyElephant (talk) 01:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * January 2021
 * Added some more based on the top 5 in every iTunes category. starsandwhales (talk) 18:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The list is getting pretty long. Do you think there's a better way to organize the information or be more selective with our choices? Also, should we remove podcasts that we've already had as a podcast of the month? Any preferences on the January podcast? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm nominating Stuff You Should Know as the podcast of the month for January. Since The Adventure Zone is a fiction podcast and we decided to alternate each month between fiction and non-fiction. Unless there are objections I'll change it tomorrow. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh I didn't see this before choosing another article, sorry. We could have Stuff You Should Know as the March article? starsandwhales (talk) 04:14, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * That sounds fine to me. To be honest, I just chose at random so I could keep the article of the month going. Would you like to switch it to 99% Invisible? It looks like it's still Stuff You Should Know on the main page. We could do 99% Invisible in March too, either is fine and I don't really have a preference. TipsyElephant (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm nominating Dirty Diana for the February podcast of the month. The previous podcast was non-fiction so I picked a fictional podcast, and we have yet to nominate a podcast that doesn't have an article yet so I figured I'd pick one this time. It's also a romance podcast of sorts and Valentines day is in February so I feel like it is appropriate for the month. It also appears to have the most news coverage compared to the other AfC fictional podcast proposals. I'll get the article started today. Let me know if anyone objects. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * February 2021
 * Sounds interesting! Are you planning on making it a DYK for Valentines day? Did we ever figure out the January article? (I've been working on other articles so I haven't had time to work on the afc) starsandwhales (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * to be honest I don't know anything about DYK so I'd have to spend quite a while reading up on it, but I'd definitely be open to it if someone is willing to help. I decided that 99% Invisible should be the article of the month because you had nominated it and it seems to be a fairly important podcast with extensive coverage and relevant content. I've made some minor improvements on the page, but I haven't spent a ton time on it yet. I've mostly been spending my time working on stubs and drafts (Enhanced_podcast, Come to Papa (podcast), Draft:Music podcast, Draft:Dirty Diana (podcast), and Draft:IHeartRadio Podcast Awards) adding categories to podcast articles and getting the "fictional" categories sorted out (here) TipsyElephant (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've done DYK a couple of times so I'd be totally willing to walk you through the process. I can also nominate the article for you when you like. You can read up on the criteria here, DYK eligibility criteria, it's not too stringent. starsandwhales (talk) 17:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this recommendation is fine. Has there been much collaborative improvement to 99% Invisible for this month?  Speaking for myself, sometimes I find it hard to think of how to improve an article that is in pretty decent shape.  Starting new articles seems like something easier to contribute to if not familiar with the podcast.  Perhaps the list above should list some goals of each recommended collaboration?  It's self explanatory for the redlinks and drafts, but sometimes not as clear for existing articles.  Perhaps a way to gage who has interest in any of the items in the list as well? -2pou (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the goals for the collaboration should be a month by month discussion, so when more people in the project have more time the goals will naturally be loftier. I think we should also have discussions on what the next collaboration should be. Maybe we can alternate between existing and new articles? starsandwhales (talk) 22:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be okay if you guys don't want to do Dirty Diana and we can discuss alternative podcast nominations. Do any of you have recommendations ? I just figured I'd make sure to keep nominating and pushing for the collaboration of the month to continue. I think 99% Invisible was significantly lacking in sources (like there were plenty available but very few cited). I added a few for the book but I didn't spend much time on the article because I keep getting sidetracked. I can look into providing a list of needed improvements unless someone else wants to do it. I'd also be totally up for alternating between existing and new articles. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we both thought it was a good recommendation. Sorry that wasn't clear on my part.  -2pou (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

What are people's thoughts on doing MBMBaM for March?starsandwhales (talk) 18:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * March 2021
 * What is the goal? Get it to GA status?  It's already at C, and looks decent, so I guess that's the next logical step.  Build a reception section?  I'm not really familiar, but I'm certainly not opposed. -2pou (talk) 18:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nevermind they already have an article! It's under My Brother, My Brother and Me. starsandwhales (talk) 18:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Don't know if we should have articles for podcast networks on the rotating list as well. These articles are listed (under our new guidelines) as being top/high importance, but there really isn't much coverage of them.starsandwhales (talk) 18:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I personally want to get Forever Dog and QCODE articles at some point. Maybe Pineapple Street Studios.  I didn't think many would be interested in having those be a collab project, but maybe I'm wrong. -2pou (talk) 18:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I noticed while working on creating the guidelines for importance that high importance articles have very little editing activity because they are so difficult to add to or they are boring in some way. For instance, genres like Political podcast and Horror podcast have very few edits despite being so broad in scope (on the first page of revision history you can see all the way back to 2016 for both pages). I still think they're far more important than most podcasts simply because of scope and the fact that categories are somewhat based on them or vice versa. Not to mention most podcasts should eventually link to a genre and network because they're parameters for the podcast infobox. I would be fine with editing or creating pages for networks, but I hadn't suggested it yet because I wasn't sure anyone was interested. I'd also be okay with working on My Brother, My Brother and Me, but I think if we do then our goal should definitely be to at least get it to a B status if not a GA status. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

After nominating Dirty Diana (podcast) I feel like I should nominate something with less of a mature theme. So I'm nominating Draft:The Alien Adventures of Finn Caspian or Hank the Cowdog for the collaboration of the month in April. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC) Unless someone objects I'm nominating Serial for the month of May. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2021 (UTC) Should something LGBTQIA+ related be put forward for June? Gnittopsniart (talk) 10:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * April 2021
 * May 2021
 * June 2021
 * Seems fine to me. Do you have a suggestion. I think The Two Princes and Las Culturistas fit, but I don't know much about the topic... -2pou (talk) 05:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC) Oh, I guess there are these ones as well (for existing pages, that is): Category:LGBT-related podcasts. -2pou (talk) 05:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll change the collaboration of the month to The Two Princes unless anyone objects. If someone would prefer a different podcast feel free to change it. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I would like to nominate a podcast about Islam or hosted by Muslim creators for the month of July because Eid al-Adha is on July 20th. I don't know a ton about Islam, but I found a few podcasts that might meet WP:GNG. The three I've found that are most likely to meet Wikipedia's guidelines are The Mo Show, Higher Ground: Tell Them, I Am, and This Being Human. I'm nominating This Being Human. Here are some sources that could be used: TipsyElephant (talk) 14:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * July 2021
 * Toronto Star
 * Toronto.com
 * Broadway World
 * Wallpaper*
 * August 2021
 * I would like to nominate Blowback for the collaboration in August. I checked and I was able to find enough sources that it will pass AfC. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I nominate QCODE for next month. TipsyElephant (talk) 11:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * September 2021
 * Considering there has aready been a draft for Draft:QCODE and it did not pass AfC I'm changing my nomination for next month to Draft:The United States of Anxiety. TipsyElephant (talk) 12:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm recommending a horror podcast for the month of October. Does anyone have any suggestions that they would like as the collaboration of the month? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * October 2021
 * I'm nominating Draft:Knifepoint Horror for the month of October. There are plenty of sources when doing a simple google news search. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a pretty important podcast for horror, so that sounds good to me. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm nominating Draft:Red Man Laughing by Ryan McMahon for the month of November because it's Native American Indian Heritage Month and there really aren't many articles about indigenous podcasts on Wikipedia. The only other ones that I'm aware of are Toasted Sister and This Land. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * November 2021
 * December 2021
 * I'm nominating The RobCast for the month of December because Chistmas is a Christian holiday and it's one of the few Christian podcasts that probably pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I also found sources for Draft:The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and Draft:Preach (podcast) so if anyone wants to help with those feel free to pitch in. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * After some pretty thurough searching I think the Robcast has borderline notability, which suprised me. However, I stumbled upon this Vanity Fair article with 6 Christmas poscasts that look promising if anyone is interested in starting a draft. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm nominating the remaining WNYC Studios podcasts that do not have articles for the month of January. In particular, I'll be working on Draft:Free Shakespeare on the Radio, Draft:Only Human (podcast), Draft:Adulting (podcast), Draft:American Fiasco, Draft:The Realness (podcast), and Draft:Come Through with Rebecca Carroll. If anyone wants to pitch in then feel free. I would also appreciate anyone starting drafts for the last couple I missed. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC) I'm nominated Draft:Archive 81 (podcast) for the collaboration of the month in February. There is already a page for the TV show adaption Archive 81. TipsyElephant (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC) and, you were both somewhat interested in Knifepoint Horror. Feel free to contribute to Archive 81 if you have time and are interested in another horror podcast. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * January 2022
 * February 2022
 * I'd be happy to chip in – I just finished the Netflix series and was planning on re-listening to the podcast – but I can't promise I'll be particularly swift as late January and early February are pretty busy. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm nominating Draft:Nicholas Quah for the month of March because we don't have many Wikipedia pages dedicated to the journalists who cover podcasting topics. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC) Does anyone have a nomination for the month of April? Draft:Boomtown (podcast) and Draft:Floodlines would be my suggestion if no one else makes a nomination. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC) Anyone have a nomination for the month of May? I'm thinking maybe Draft:The Unexplainable Disappearance of Mars Patel? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC) Unless someone else has a nomination, I'm nominating Draft:Unlocking Us for the month of June. TipsyElephant (talk) 12:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC) I'm open to other nominations, but I'm nominating Draft:Story Pirates (podcast) as the COTM for the month of July. There is a section dedicated to the podcast on the Wikipedia page for the organization here, but I think there is plenty of content to spin it out into a separate page. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * March 2022
 * April 2022
 * May 2022
 * June 2022
 * July 2022

After searching for some sources I've discovered that the Story Pirates Podcast is not quite as notable as I realized. It's won a few awards, but there really isn't a ton of coverage specifically about the podcast. So I'm proposing that the COTM should be focused on the Story_Pirates organization as a whole and the entry at Gimlet_Media / Story Pirates (podcast). TipsyElephant (talk) 14:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC) I'm nominating the Magnus Archives for the month of August unless someone has a different page they'd like to collaborate on. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC) I'm nominating OPB and all the podcasts produced by the radio station for the month of September, however, I'm open to other recommendations as well. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * August 2022
 * September 2022

Latest
I'm nominating Within the Wires for the month of October. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think I've decided that I'm going to do Darkest Night (podcast) for the COTM instead of Within the Wires. Maybe we'll do that next month. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I think we'll skip the month of December. Does anyone else have a page they'd like to collaborate on for the month of January? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Reformatting the WikiProject
I've been looking over some other WikiProjects such as WP:BOOKS, WP:NOVELS, WP:TELEVISION, WP:MOVIES, and WP:WPMUSIC. A lot of WikiProjects use some type of tab system located at a subpage that is transcluded at the top of the main page. For instance, WP:WikiProject Books/Tab header, WP:WikiProject Novels/mainpage, WP:WikiProject Television/Tabs, WP:WikiProject Film/Tab header, and WP:WikiProject Music/Tab header. I'm going to try and create one for this WikiProject, but I was curious what other editors thought. Is there a prefered name for the subpage? A prefered color? Are there specific tabs that would be the most helpful? TipsyElephant (talk) 20:42, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think you can. Rounded tabs would be nice. -- Auric   talk  21:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started here based on the novels wikiproject. What do you think so far with how rounded the tabs are right now? TipsyElephant (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good.-- Auric   talk  22:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Podcast by Peele
I started a draft for Draft:Quiet Part Loud if anyone is interested. It debuts in a few days so I'm sure it'll get even more coverage at that time as well. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * How cool! Jordan Peele podcasts now.  Hadn't heard of it, but worth checking out. -2pou (talk) 00:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @TipsyElephant, thought you might be interested in this site: https://greatpods.co/podcast/quiet-part-loud (for this specific podcast initially).
 * I actually came across it totally separately, but it seems like a nice resource to use. It's kind of like a review aggregator a la Rotten Tomatoes or Book Marks consolidating reviews into one place.  It looks like it's still relatively new, and using each review should be evaluated independently, but it definitely seems like a useful resource to look for some reviews a bit quicker.  It's not clear how reviews are posted for each show or how each number value is assigned, so an independent search would probably still be necessary, but like I said, this could speed things up. -2pou (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've come across GreatPods occasionally and it can definitely be helpful. I've found similar sites when writing articles for books and sometimes I find sources through sites like these that I wouldn't have found otherwise. For instance, sometimes they have dead links to reviews that can be recovered on the Wayback Machine that wouldn't have ever been found with a simple google search. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

For those interested, Keegan-Michael Key also has a podcast: Draft:The History of Sketch Comedy. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Podcast series
I was recently working on these drafts: Draft:Inside Psycho, Draft:Inside the Exorcist, and Draft:Inside Jaws. I think they are all barely notable on their own, but occasionally sources will simply call them something like the "Inside" series (i.e. this THR source). However, most of the time the sources simply refer to them as separate podcasts and if you look them up on a podcast app they are in different feeds. I wasn't sure whether I should merge them into a single article or not, and if I did what should I call the article? Inside (podcast), Inside (podcast series), Inside series (podcast), or something else entirely?

I've also noticed some similar series out there. For instance, Dan Taberski did a series called Headlong, which included Missing Richard Simmons, Surviving Y2K, and Running From Cops. Most of the time these podcasts are referred to separately, but on occasion they are discussed as a series. There was also the WNYC Studios series The Realness (podcast) and Only Human (podcast) by Mary Harris that didn't really have a shared title, but are in the same feed on their website. The Template:Infobox podcast has a parameter for "preceded_by" but some reason doesn't have a parameter for "succeeded_by". Is this parameter for instances like this or something else? Should we add the "succeeded_by" parameter? TipsyElephant (talk) 11:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I've moved all three to mainspace. I'm still unsure whether they should be merged or not. TipsyElephant (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think adding a "succeded_by" or "followed_by" is not a bad idea. It seems odd that it wasn't included with preceded_by...  Infobox television code may help on how to go about it.
 * Regarding a merge or separate... Go with whatever you think the reader would be best served by. If having a single Inside (podcast series) article would contain the information better and there is a clear flow between them and a releationship, then that would be fine.  If there is a lot to say about each, then separate articles is fine.  This is a consideration when creating book articles as well.  Sometimes the first book of a series might get more attention and reviews, but changing it to a Infobox book series captures information more comprehensively than jumping between articles for a mere paragraph of new info.  The Wayward Pines Trilogy for example.  Oddly enough, I had actually wondered about creating The Dragon Republic or changing The Poppy War to a trilogy page (mostly out of laziness), but good job flushing out the rest of the series! -2pou (talk) 00:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That's kind of funny, I haven't even read the Poppy Wars yet, but my partner really liked the series so I figured I would write the articles for the remaining books. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I added the followed by parameter to the infobox. I might be spending some time updating the documentation and proposing more changes in the future. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)