Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years/Archive 21

Year in country pages
Would appreciate input at this discussion, concerning when to use/not use 'start/end' dates in "Year in country" pages. Note - the same discussion occurred 12 months ago, with minimal input. It's a topic, that effects all Year in country pages. GoodDay (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm considering opening an RFC 'here' on this matter concerning all "Year in Great Britain" & "Year in the United Kingdom" pages. GoodDay (talk) 19:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

RfC: Year/Decade in England, Great Britain & United Kingdom pages, concerning the "Incumbents" section
How should the parliament & members be shown in the "Year in" & "Decade in" pages for England, Great Britain & the United Kingdom's Incumbents' section? Let's use 2024 in the United Kingdom for an example. GoodDay (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * A) Parliament – 58th
 * B) Parliament – elected 2019
 * C) Exclude mention of legislature & members. As is done in the "Year in Scotland", "Year in Wales" & "Year in Northern Ireland" pages.

Survey II

 * A or C - either will do. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * C for me. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Either B or C for me. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * B or C for me. As DeFacto says, "the ordinal number is not generally known or used in the UK, so should not be used in the article". Number   5  7  15:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Discussion II
The A option is my first choice, as we've been using it for years on these pages. As for the C option? One need only look at Year/Decade pages like 1450s in England, where it's quite cumbersome. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that even if a consensus is reached here, the editors of any individual year and country can decide that an exception should be made for that particular article—WikiProjects serve as hubs for a certain topic, but they don't dictate content beyond an advisory role. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 21:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Opening up hundreds of RFCs for each page, would've been chaotic. GoodDay (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The ordinal number is not generally known or used in the UK, so should not be used in the article. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Folks, we could use more input here. Don't leave it up to just two editors. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The option to exclude them does not seam to be a good one as it could be something that you are seeking. I would suggest a combination of A & B. Keith D (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding A: What's "58th" supposed to mean?? 58th what? I've no clue how that's counted but I've never seen Parliaments in the UK given ordinal numbers. It looks like someone has, using WP:OR, imported the US system of giving Congresses ordinal numbers. This is the article to which "58th" is pipelinked: List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election. There's no reference to 58th of anything in that article. It's pure WP:EGG. DeCausa (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've just googled 58th Parliament and from the results only Wikipedia calls the current UK Parliament the 58th. DeCausa (talk) 22:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Which option do you recommend? GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well B is recognisable. But to be honest, I'm not that bothered: a more important issue is getting rid of this weird OR numbering of parliaments generally. DeCausa (talk) 22:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We have the C option - delete. The legislature isn't shown in the Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland Year pages. GoodDay (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As I say, I don't really care between B and C. A much bigger concern is how this weird ordinal numbering is peppered around, as I now find, quite a few articles usually in Infoboxes eg Second May ministry which is just WP:EGG, as well as being WP:OR. DeCausa (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It would help, if you chose an option within the scope of this RFC. GoodDay (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

, I requested closure. GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Is any page with a year in its title within the scope of this WP?
I've noticed sometimes articles I create get tagged with WikiProject Years, for example in Special:Diff/1211004689 for 2024 Maurie Plant Meet. But when I've tried to tag some of the articles/categories I create with the WP Years template, it often gets removed. So my question is, are pages for annual (or bi-annual, etc) events/leagues that have the year in the title within the scope of WikiProject Years? Or would that only really apply to pages of the form "[year] in ...", like 2024 in athletics but not 2024 Diamond League or 2024 World Athletics Continental Tour or 2024 Maurie Plant Meet? --Habst (talk) 23:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The latter. The difference is that 2024 in athletics is specifically about the year 2024, or at least one aspect of it. With 2024 World Athletics Continental Tour, the year is just there to disambiguate the article or serve as part of the event's name. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 23:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

RfC - Criteria for Tornadoes of XXXX articles
There is an ongoing RfC to set the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia's Tornadoes of XXXX (ex. Tornadoes of 2024) articles. If you wish to participate in the Request for Comment discussion, you can do so here! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1804 in Russia
I have gradually been populating the xxx in Russia articles. Are there guidelines for who to include as "Russian"? This could apply to any "xxx in some country" article, but it is particularly difficult for a country which has at various times included so many ethnicities. For now, I am including persons whose careers are substantially in modern Russia or in the Russian government of the time - for example, Georgians or Ukrainians or Poles who were in the Russian government or military or whose careers were in modern day Russia. I am excluding those whose careers were largely in their own languages and homelands, even if they occurred within Russian borders at the time. For instance, in the 1804 births section, I decided to include Mykola Markevych because he had been educated in Russia and served in the Russian army. OTOH, I excluded Peter Kharischirashvili because his career was either in Georgia or abroad, even though Georgia was under Russian rule at the time. Comments? Brianyoumans (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * This is a tricky one, and it probably depends on the context. The surest bet of course would be if the sources specify a nationality for the person or event, but it's not always going to be that easy. The scope of these articles is generally the sovereign state, so I would include anything within the state, even if this includes minority ethnic groups or indigenous people of a given region. If the 1804 in Russia article were so heavily developed that it got too big, then 1804 in Georgia wouldn't be unreasonable to split off, but we're pretty far from that point right now. The big ugly alien  ( talk ) 19:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There are many instances where ethnicities are mentioned and they are not Russian, but I think they definitely should be included in a list of Russian events. A number of persons are identified as "Baltic Germans", for instance, they came from an area that had been under Russian control for some time and they often had scientific careers in St. Petersburg or Moscow. Many foreigners served in the military, some prominently. However, I think it would be politically insensitive to, essentially, list certain people as "Russian" if their careers had little to do with the central government, they were not ethnically Russian, and they are now identified as belonging to the development of an existing state, such as Poland or Ukraine. It is kind of judgement call, I guess. Brianyoumans (talk) 00:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "I think it would be politically insensitive to, essentially, list certain people as "Russian" if their careers had little to do with the central government, they were not ethnically Russian, and they are now identified as belonging to the development of an existing state, such as Poland or Ukraine." I don't see the reasoning here. These people were born, lived, worked, etc in Russia. This is about things that happened in Russia. That they were not ethnically Russian would mean that they could also be in other categories, but I cannot see how it could exclude them from any "in Russia" category. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Remove all form of galleries and add images to the sections instead
I found that the galleries in year, decade and centuries articles are often made in poor taste and does not provide any context to the reader. The captions are insanely long, not to mention that this is a nightmare to read for mobile readers. I would suggest that no lead image should be added and instead images should be added at individual sections, i.e. topics and each month for year articles. That would also necessitate changes in Year in various calendars so that images can be added in january for year articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: I am aware of the previous RFC. I do not feel satisfied about the closure because it fails to address that such a collage is very cumbersome to decipher for readers. It may be easy for us editors to edit those collage, but for the reader it is a slog to read. And it inherently violates our guidelines on image galleries in general. What I suggest here is not that controversial, the final product would still be a gallery of signficant pictures but being broken up into images per month/topic. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you're going to need another RFC to overturn the previous one.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 20:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

1989 requested move
I can't see that this has been noted here, so FYI there is a discussion which would involve 1989 to AD 1989 here - Talk:1989_(disambiguation). I only noticed this as I have 1989 watchlisted due to vandalism on it. Black Kite (talk) 10:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism at Year in the United States pages
Just a heads up. A mobile editor keeps deleting outgoing presidents & outgoing vice presidents from YEAR in the United States pages. See 1974 in the United States, 1977 in the United States, 1981 in the United States, 1989 in the United States, 1993 in the United States, 2001 in the United States, 2009 in the United States, 2017 in the United States 2021 in the United States GoodDay (talk) 14:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Both myself &, had to revert the vandalism. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Perth City Council election
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Perth City Council election that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)