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Q1: Why is country X included in the list of Axis countries in the infobox?

A1: Because reliable sources, cited in the article, describe it as an Axis country. If you think that a country presently included in this list should NOT be included in it, please describe why reliable sources do not support it being included here, and if possible provide sources backing up this position. Particularly in the case of Finland, this has been discussed many, many times, so please review the talk-page archive to see if you have any new points to raise on this topic.

Q2: Why is country X NOT included in the list of Axis countries included in the infobox?

A2: Only the countries for which reliable sources have been found, describing the country unambiguously as a member of the Axis, should be included. If you think a country should be added to the list, please provide reliable sources that clearly and unambiguously state that they were members of the Axis. Please note that particularly Vichy France, Iraq, Spain, the Soviet Union, and the various puppet-states of the Axis outside of the ones that are included in this list have been discussed a large number of times here, so please review the discussions before opening a new discussion to see if the point you want to make has already been discussed.

Q3: Why aren't only Tripartite Pact signatories included as Axis members in the infobox?

A3: Because this article is not about the Tripartite Pact, which has its own article. Similarly, it is also not about the Anti-Comintern Pact. Instead it is about the Axis, which reliable sources describe as having a membership different to that of the Tripartite Pact and the Anti-Comintern Pact.

Q4: Why aren't puppet states and colonies included as Axis members in the infobox?

A4: Some puppet states may be included as members of the Axis powers where there are reliable sources stating that this is what they were, however, where no source says that a country was a member of the Axis, simply having been a puppet state or colony of a member of the Axis is insufficient to make it a member of the Axis if reliable sources do not describe it as such.

Q5: Why are other states, that were not members of the Axis, discussed in the body-text of the article?

A5: States and movements that had notable relations with the Axis, for example states the leadership of which gave serious consideration to joining the Axis, should be discussed to the extent relevant. Relevance should be decided in consensus with other editors - if in doubt, please discuss on the talk page here.

Q6: Why was membership of the Axis, as listed in the infobox, decided to only include those clearly and unambiguously described as being members of the Axis in reliable sources?

A6: In a discussion on the talk page in January 2021 it was decided to remove all countries which no reliable sources clearly described as being a member of the Axis. The reasoning was that by including countries that no reliable source actually identified as Axis powers but which some editors had characterised as "Axis co-belligerents", a term with no basis in reliable sources, we were essentially engaging in original research and going outside the topic of the article, which is about the Axis powers and not about wars fought parallel to the wars fought by the Axis.

Q7: I disagree with the criteria used to determine what should be included as a member of the Axis in this article!

A7: Consensus can change, please feel free to open a discussion here about how you think the article should address the question of which states should be included as members of the Axis in this article. Please also review the prior discussions in the archive to see whether your proposed way of deciding Axis membership has already been discussed.

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What about the "Italian Social Republic"?[edit]

Should we add the Italian Social Republic to the Major Axis Powers? Because Mussolini also led that. 2600:1700:3680:8B70:9D75:3671:1435:D6B8 (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is Iraq not listed in the infobox? They were a full-fledged member of the Axis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iraqi_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Iraqi_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat Ironzombie39 (talk) 00:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The FAQ at the top says "Only the countries for which reliable sources have been found, describing the country unambiguously as a member of the Axis, should be included." As discussed previously, co-belligerents of the Axis are not considered members of the Axis and hence do not go in the infobox. The question of including Iraq in the infobox has also been discussed multiple times (see the archives), and consensus has also been against inclusion. Liu1126 (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with the map of participants in the info-box[edit]

Regarding the map of participants in the info-box, it contains inaccuracies:

The USSR is listed as having switched sides from the Axis to the Allies, which is in between complete falsehood and utter lunacy. Neither the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact nor the joint-but-time-offset German-Soviet invasion of Poland ever made the USSR a member of the Axis, especially not de jure.

Ethiopia is listed as having switched sides, but how can a colonial government (Italian East Africa) "switch sides" when it was disbanded altogether and replaced with a British military administration?

If Ethiopia is listed as having switches sides, then Italy should have certainty been included in the list as well, but it was not. The situation with the Italian Social Republic complicates the matter, but since France is already dealt with separately (on the map) in terms of Vichy France and German-occupied France, the same could be done with Italy (showing the Italian Social Republic borders at establishment in blue, and the rest of Italy in blue but with a "switched sides from the Axis to the Allies" marker).

212.243.68.210 (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiopia went from being an Italian colony to one that had been liberated and Ethiopia's full sovereignty was restored with the signing of the Anglo-Ethiopian Agreement in December 1944 (duing Ww2). Slatersteven (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do not list the USSR as a member of the Axis. Slatersteven (talk) 13:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where’s iraq[edit]

Iraq was an axis state in 1941 and fought alongside german forces against invading british troops 78.170.227.224 (talk) 00:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the section headed "7 Bilateral Pacts with the Axis Powers". Slatersteven (talk) 10:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iran's relations and position must to be changed--Darked.Mind (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[edit]

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Hi... actually I have a request for adding more things about Iran like the relations with Germany like meeting of Hassan esfandiyari[Iran's parliament] and Adolf Hitler or stopping Allies by Reza shah for some years[he doesn't accept UK and US to use railways and help Soviet Union with gun , etc. ] , north - east Iran's railways by hitler , Hitler's promises to Reza Shah about industrialized Iran , etc. with this thing we can say Iran was an Axis but in behind the scene Darked.Mind (talk) 19:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]