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A fact from Barclays Bank, Enfield appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 May 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1967, the world's first ATM was installed at a branch of Barclays Bank in north London (pictured)?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Barclays Bank, Enfield.

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 22:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Barclays Bank, Enfield, site of the first ATM

... that in 1967, the world's first ATM was installed at a branch of Barclays Bank in north London? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Francois Massaquoi
- Comment: Still putting the final touches to it. Note: The ATM in the article is not the original.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk), Whispyhistory (talk), and No Swan So Fine (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 08:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Barclays Bank, Enfield; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

In progress... Girth Summit _(blether) 17:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Philafrenzy - the article has an 'under construction' template on it. Are you still working on it, are you ready for review? Girth Summit _(blether) 17:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should be able to finish it in the next couple of days, or sooner. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll start the review now (I have a bit of time), and go over it again when you're properly done.

The article was created on 10 April, so was new enough when the DYK nom was submitted, it is plenty long enough, it is neutrally written, and is free of any copyvio I can detect. Almost every assertion is supported by an inline citation to a reliable source, except for a couple about its location on the street which you have tagged as needing a citation - I assume that will be addressed in your finishing off?

The hook is interesting, and is supported by the citation offered in the nomination.

QPQ has been done, and the image is appropriately licensed.

A couple of suggestions:

I think that it would be possible to expand the lead slightly, and include the hook fact in the lead.
I find the following sentence a bit confusing: According to its staff, the Enfield branch was easily granted permission, had a "good pavement facade, sufficiently high windows" and was near enough to London, to be chosen rather than a big city. Granted permission for what, and from whom? Are we talking about planning permission here, or just getting selected to be the first bank to receive one of the machines?

All in all, this will be good to go when the missing citations are added; my suggestions above are just that, I don't need them to be addressed for this to pass. Girth Summit _(blether) 14:59, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded the lead and made a few other changes. I don't think citations are actually needed for facts easily seen on any map. Expanded the image caption. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit, pinging in case you hadn't seen that the article edits were completed on April 22 and this is presumably ready for a final review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping BlueMoonset - should have looked back earlier, this is now

good to go. Girth Summit _(blether) 07:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good work[edit]

Hi Edwardx, Whispyhistory and Philafrenzy. I saw this had been listed and thought it'd make a good article. I was pleasantly surprised to see I'd been beaten to it! - Dumelow (talk) 06:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I photographed it in 2016 in preparation for this article. Next, buildings photographed in 2017. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:17, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, I saw the listing (through a post by IanVisits) but hadn't noticed this article until it appeared on DYK. Nice work everyone! the wub "?!" 16:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First ATM[edit]

The ATM of the period was called "Barclaycash", and I watched my father using them on several occasions, not in Enfield but other towns. The machine had a horizontal drawer handle, below which was a console of 11 round buttons each about 20-25 mm across - one row of five black buttons with digits, and one of six buttons - five black with digits plus a silver "C" button. This apparently stood for "Call", not "Cancel", and was the equivalent to "Enter". My father was supplied with a pack of paper vouchers, a little longer than a banknote of the period; the size may have been that of an IBM 80-column punched card. It carried data as a pattern of small round punched holes arranged in a few rows across the middle, not the rectangular holes occupying most of the area of the IBM format card.

To use the machine, you keyed in your PIN (which had somewhat more than four digits), and pressed "C". The number was then verified, and if good, the drawer was released. You opened it manually, inside was a turntable about one-third of which was visible; upon that were two locating pins about six inches apart. The voucher had a round hole near the centre of each shorter side, these were placed over the two pins, and the drawer closed manually. The turntable revolved, and after the voucher had been checked against the PIN, it would be replaced by a bundle of ten Series C £1 notes, the turntable revolved again and the drawer released automtically. You picked up the bundle and closed the drawer again.

There was no option for other amounts or denominations, but ten pounds got you a lot of shopping in those days. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]