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First jersey[edit]

I think that the first jarsey was ligt blue not pink as states many books donaicus

Miguel Angel Russo is the new coach

To be modified:

Sudamericana 2004 (let's wait this one out...)
Fingers crossed
Add Diego Latorre and Francisco Pancho Sá to the list of players
Well, I think there are already too many players in the article, so I would only put the really important ones, and personally, I don't think Latorre is not one of them. Who is going to be worth mentioning in 50 years?

Sa is VERY important player - 6 times he won Copa Libertadores, include 2 times with Boca!--Oleg Abarnikov 09:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Toto Lorenzo had another (unsuccessful) term in the 1980s
Fixed (1987)
Pipa Higuain????
Jorge Nicolás Pipa Higuain (1985~1987)

Which Players are "The most important"? (for Editing)[edit]

gago and palacio!! elpincha 14:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Figures from before 1970[edit]

~~Paulo Valentim (1960~64)~~
Calderon Julio Guillermo Meléndez (pr) (1968~72)

Figures of the 1970s and 1980s[edit]

?Jorge Ribolzi (1976-81)
?Darío Luis Felman (1975~78)
?Mario Nicasio Zanabria (1976~80)
?Francisco Pedro Manuel Pancho Sá (1976-81)
?Osvaldo Pichi Escudero (1981)
?Ricardo Alberto Gareca (1978~80, 1982~84.)
?Jorge Nicolás Pipa Higuain (1985~87)
?Jorge Alberto Comas (1986~89)

Comas was not as important as he was for Velez. But the other three were very important. Felman and Zanabria were instrumental in the Lorenzo era titles, and it is a common saying that Boca had only Gatti and Gareca to keep it alive in the dark years after Diego left (1982 to mid-80s). elpincha 11:13, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Figures of 1990[edit]

?Carlos Daniel Tapia (1985~94)
?Diego Latorre (1987~1992, 1996)
?Carlos Javier Mac Allister (1992~96)
?Sergio Daniel Manteca Martinez Alzuri (1992~97) (ur)
?Jorge Bermúdez (1997~2001) (co)
?Hugo Benjamín Ibarra (1998~2001, 2003)
?Marcelo Delgado (2000~03)

There are WAY too many players in the notable players list, at least from 1980 on (my area of expertise), it can easily lose 1/3 to 1/2 of the players listed, if not more. Dawindler (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current Figures[edit]

?Andrés Guly Guglielminpietro (2004~)

Players' Links[edit]

Is it necesary to have an external link to the BocaCampeonWeb page of each player, when at the end of the aticle we have an external link to the page where you can find all these and many more players? I would remove it.

Marianocecowski 07:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Two little ones[edit]

Clemente Rodriguez?
Update on top race, and also update Pernia's article?

elpincha 04:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about Clemente Rodrugiez. Is it a star worth mention?

I'nt got much info on the Top Race. Were do you read about it?

-- Mariano 12:08, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

I wouldn't post on Clemente Rodriguez, he can be hardly considered a star.

--Sebastian Kessel 17:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Recopa Sudamericana[edit]

We should first decide whether to use the year it's played in, or the year of qualification. Boca won one in 1990 and one in 2005, being qualified in 1989 and 2004. The other teams I checked use the Qualy, so I'm changing the 1990 title to 1989. Mariano(t/c) 15:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I Agree, the cup is awarded for 2004 achievements (or 1989, for that matter) but it seems Conmebol doesn't think so [1]. :(

--Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 16:52, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I also see the logic on that. After all, the Copa Libertadores 2005 is played by those who had a good 2004 season. Question is: is it more important when do you Win it? perhaps so. I'll move this discussion to the Recopa page. -Mariano(t/c) 17:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just one thing[edit]

DALE CAMPEON!!! Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 22:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I Can't celebrate yet, too nervous about Sunday... Mariano(t/c) 08:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Taxis[edit]

The taxi thing is actualy true [2]. Should be properly written though, and I don't know if it is worth commenting. Mariano(t/c) 16:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership[edit]

Who owns the club? The article says it has many members - what advantages does membership have? (answers to these questions perhaps could be added to the article) Peoplesunionpro 14:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Like all (most?) social and sports clubs in Argentina, Boca Juniors is a nonprofit organization, not owned but any particular person. Members (socios) have access to verious sports facilities and activities, as well as free entrance to the league matches played at home and discount for other matches i nthe Bombonera. Well, those are at least some of the benefits. Mariano(t/c) 07:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Superclasico Record[edit]

The record for the Superclasico is listed as 113/90/93. The article Superclasico lists it as 113/91/94. I know the 94 is right since River won yesterday, but am unsure about the ties. CheshiresMasquerade 14:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kits[edit]

Hey All, I might not be that active in WP anymore but even I can see that the kit changed a lot more ince 1906. Let's not forget the baby blues of Adidas, then the dark blue of Olan, and Nike with: White Stripes, Biiiig Yellow Stripe, and now a yet darker blue. It has not been the same kit since 1906, and the sentence (and kits) deserve to be changed.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 01:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable platers[edit]

Should we move this section to its own page? it takes a third of the visual size of the article.... Mariano(t/c) 13:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an expert in anything before 1980, but the last two sections of "notable players" can easily lose 1/3 to 1/2 (if not more) of the players listed. Stafuza and Pasucci are notable? Why not "Tuta" Torres? Dawindler (talk) 03:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dates & dashes[edit]

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Kits[edit]

[3] --Jor70 22:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review comments[edit]

Ok here is the review

The article needs lots of citatons, as currently the comments could be considered POV
The history section is too short it needs to be vastly expanded
Under the notable players heading remove the list of players, as this is unnecessary whn you have a link to the players category
The records section should be turned into prose instead of lists
Headings do not meet WP:HEAD
Don't wikilink individual years
You need a fair use rationale for some of the images used
I would advise you to look at other football club articles that have made GA and FA to gain an idea of what needs to be done to get the article there NapHit 16:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crest[edit]

Gentlemen:

Even though Boca replaced the crest in their shirts, the club's site [4] still shows the "old one".

I am not entirely sure if the crest update is official for the club or just for the shirt. If we have no references from the club itself we should proceed as if the club's official site is correct. I added the "references needed" to the "Crest" area of the page because of this. (Also the text is incorrect, they refer to "Intercontinental Cups", the club hasn't won any WCC yet... hope that changes soon)

If no comments are made within 2-3 days, I'll revert to the crest showing on the club's official site.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 23:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just replaced the crest with one off brandsoftheworld, I couldnt find the one with no internal stars, If anyone gets official news about the new one please remember to include a fair use rationale when you upload it. As for the WCC I'm definately not a Boca fan, but I'm praying that los bosteros hammer the cheating Italian scumbags. King of the North East (T/C) 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it, but it's not official either. I just got the jpg off the boca page. Do you mind if I put that one up instead? I does have a fair use rationale in the page. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Made the Change. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading stats[edit]

A number of editors have been adding misleading stats in regards to Boca top scorers. They have been removing goals not scored in the league from Varallo, Cherro & Tarasconi etc, yet including all of Martin Palermo's goals, so that it appears that Palermo is going to soon become the clubs all time top scorer which is (despite his fine goalscoring record) patently not the case. King of the North East 15:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New crest[edit]

There's a new crest since the beginning of the season, without stars in it and with just three stars above, representing the intercontinental cups. i didn't find it anywhere, and the official site isn't updated... 83.41.188.4 (talk) 00:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just restored the latest available per the official site. It is believed that the new crest only applies to the shirt and it's not the official crest, but I couldn't find confirmation. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 01:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Puerta 12" Picture should not be here[edit]

That photo belongs to River Plate stadium.--Nico89abc (talk) 15:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genoese[edit]

genoese is a dialect of the Ligurian language, not of italian see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoese_dialect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.30.204 (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image deletion[edit]

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved to Boca Juniors -- Aervanath (talk) 07:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale[edit]

The article should be moved as per WP:COMMONNAME, the current title "Club Atlético Boca Juniors" is the full official name, but the vast majority of English (& Spanish) media sources refer to the club as Boca Juniors. The club are rarely refered to by their full official name in the same way that Manchester United are rarely referred to as "Manchester United Football Club". Boca Juniors is the original Boca Juniors, their success has spawned a number of spinoff amateur level clubs in other countries with the same name, but the Argentine club are the only Boca Juniors to have won multiple national league championships, continental championships and world club championships. In fact they are the equal most successful team in the history of international club football with 18 official international titles. If this is not a case for primary usage I don't know what is. Also Boca Juniors already serves as a redirect to this page and the categories are all named cat:Boca Juniors...... King of the North East 23:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to CA Boca Juniors - Although this Boca Juniors is the best-known of all of the Boca Juniors' referred to at Boca Juniors (disambiguation), moving this article to Boca Juniors would, in my opinion, make the title too vague. Most club articles retain the FC/AC/SC/FK/M4/GCSE, and I don't see why Boca Juniors should be different. Also, per your comment that 'saying "CA Boca Juniors" out load is about the Argentine equivelent of saying "W.B.A." out loud', it's actually more like saying "West Bromwich Albion FC", not just "WBA", and while you're right that people don't often say that out loud, how often does anyone say "FC Bayern Munich" or "Manchester United F.C." out loud? – Pee Jay 06:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Boca Juniors. This is an absolute no-brainer, per WP:NAME. We have a particular convention for British team articles only - for everyone else, we use the most common name which isn't ambiguous. That is categorically just "Boca Juniors" in this case. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We should probably move Club Atlético River Plate to River Plate (football club) then. Or is that counter-intuitive? But if Club Atlético River Plate stays at Club Atlético River Plate while Club Atlético Boca Juniors moves to Boca Juniors, that creates an unnecessary inconsistency. Discuss. – PeeJay 09:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - As I said previously: "We have a particular convention for British team articles only - for everyone else, we use the most common name which isn't ambiguous". Attempting to force consistency in a piecemeal fashion will not work. We have it on UK articles only because it was discussed in advance. River Plate is not unambiguous, while Boca Juniors is. If this were any other two articles other than on football teams we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - To be honest, if it were anyone other than me on the other end, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Actually, as you can see by Boca Juniors (disambiguaton), "Boca Juniors" is an ambiguous term; and while all of the items listed on the dab page were probably named after the original Argentine club, that doesn't make them any less relevant. – PeeJay 12:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - of course it does. None of those other uses is remotely as notably attached to the name in English. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm still not sure where you're getting the idea that we only have a naming convention that applies to British teams. WP:NC#Sports teams clearly states that a club's name is ambiguous if "the club's official web site does not have an English-language section; or it is not broadly recognizable; or it is easily confused with other clubs' names." I'd say the third proviso applies here. I am not trying to say that Club Atlético Boca Juniors is not the most common subject of the term "Boca Juniors", but I think that it would at least make sense to move the article to CA Boca Juniors. – PeeJay 12:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - We have a convention over and above that for UK teams because at some point in the past one was hammered out. When there is such an obvious primary usage as there is in the case of the Argentinian Boca Juniors, that other clubs have similar names can be discounted. Adding letters on for the purpose of disambiguation is unnecessary, expecially when the form being proposed is used by precisely nobody in real life AFAIK. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Boca Juniors per WP:COMMONNAME. Jogurney (talk) 03:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Why "Juniors"?[edit]

Can someone please explain why it is called Juniors? It is not a junior league team so it is confusing to me. KeithCu (talk) 08:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Juniors was added by Santiago Pedro Sana to give the name of the club a British touch typical of the era, another reason could had been that the founders were young and they wanted the name of their club to reflect that fact. Hope this info clarifies things for you. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 12:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1969 Copa Argentina[edit]

Copa Argentina is not official: 1969 - Copa Argentina, this title is not official. Boca Juniors have 23 titles national. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DruZetta (talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 1969 Copa Argentina was an official tournament, is you read the web link, you will realized that Boca actually has 32 National Championships: 6 Amateur titles, 2 Cups, 23 Primera titles plus the 1991 Clausura title (Boca won the Clausura '91, but lost the unifying final of the season against Newell's Old Boys from Rosario). Hope this info clears things up for you. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 22:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

-The Copa Argentina IS official. Boca has now won two of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.41.38 (talk) 16:28, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames[edit]

I have two concerns regarding this section of the infobox:

Rey de Copas (King of Trophies): historically Independiente has been dubed "Rey de Copas". Now, it is logical to call Boca "Rey de Copas" since they have surpassed Independiente in international cups won. However, the nickname is self-referential, I've never heard anyone call Boca "Rey de Copas" other than the fans themselves. Moreover, I couldn't find reliable sources in the internet, only supporters' sites.
Bosteros (Manure Handlers): this is very common, but offensive. It would be like listing in other articles "Gallina", "Ex Rey de Copas", "Intransigente", "Ineficiente", "CASLA: Club Argentino Sin Libertadores de América", "Ra Sin Club", "Hiélez", "Van 100", "Lanushhh", "Sin Aliento", "Parlante", "Pechofríos", "Lobo Virgen", etc., etc. If we don't accept these, why keep "Bostero"? The article itself says: "originally an insult used by rivals, Boca fans are now proud of it" (with an unreliable reference to Taringa). I sincerely believe it is still an insult.

Fache (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Rey de Copas (King of Trophies), has been used by the media as a nickname for Boca Juniors, not only in Argentina, but in several other countries, here are some examples:

The links come from a similar discussing on the Spanish wiki, as far as Bosteros (Manure Handlers) the term is used for the Boca fans and by the fans themselves even in songs, here are some examples: Somos los bosteros, Bostero soy and Vamos los bosteros, with that being said I do wonder if this nickname should be included, since one as I stated before it is mainly used for the fans and by the fans and not so much for Boca Juniors, and two it's as you stated an insult. I would say keep the first and not the second. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 21:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, I'll leave "rey de copas" but take out "bosteros" from the infobox. I'll leave "bosteros" in the nicknames' section of the article though, with the corresponding explanation. Fache (talk) 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am a Boca Juniors fan, and we don't consider it insulting to be called "bosteros" (we call ourselves that way!), even if at first the term was created as an insult. It is the same with River Plate fans, who are not offended with the term "gallinas". Or, for example, Rosario Central fans, who proudly call themselves "canallas".

More importantly, these terms have stopped being used in an offensive way, regardless of their origine. The examples you gave are insults that play with the name of the club, not historic nicknames, therefore those actually are offensive —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.73.179 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Really, this whole nickname discussion is always gonna be somewhat biased and hard to prove. Adding nicknames that are only self-referential is not really impartial and encyclopedic. I, for one, think only established, widely-accepted nicknames should have a place in an encyclopedia, while the media calling Boca "Rey de Copas" does not make this Boca's established nickname. Ask anyone who is not a Boca fans which team is called El Rey de Copas and they'll say Independiente, as that is the team that has come to be identified by that nickname.

Furthermore, several of the links provided do not call Boca "El Rey de Copas", but rather something similar, such as "Un Rey de Copas". This might sound like a technicality but it basically shows calling Boca that would be a new or uncommon thing and not a true, established nickname for the team. And while you may come up with a few newspaper articles calling Boca something similar to that, you will definitely come up with many, many more that use that term for Independiente exclusively. It's just a matter of common sense, really, what you will accept as a good source and what you won't. Just my two cents. And I'm a Racing fan, by the way, so I consider myself impartial in this topic (or, if anything, you'd think I wouldn't defend Independiente's claim to a nickname!).188.62.168.221 (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

maybe instead of "rey de copas" you could said "rey mundial de clubes", i've seen it in some posters, here and here SantiGNR 93 (talk) 18:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Historical kits deletion[edit]

In reply to user:PeeJay2K3, who deleted historical kits: I don´t know what are you based on to say that historical kits are not encyclopaedic content. The uniforms that a team wore are certainly part of its history. I saw that you also deleted Boca Juniors uniforms and badges, which had remained for a long time on the page. If you don´t agree with some points of view, each article has a discuss page. Reverting anything without consulting is not the way. By the way, I reverted your deletion. Fma12 (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Player's section[edit]

I think it's time to split the "Notable players" section into a separate article, similar to the likes of List of Liverpool F.C. players. Digirami (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Troll & Vandalism Attack[edit]

I haven't edit articles (my IP is block... rarely). In league are "Bolivian Primera Division", therefore it is clear that the edition was a Spanish-speaking person, It would be good that articles like these are blocked to simple editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.250.46.141 (talk) 04:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kit and badge[edit]

The story of how Boca got there kit is just a Myth! In fact Paddy McCarthy from County Tipperary Ireland had taken over some kits from the Tipperary GAA team and give them to the club which the club then later used in games as states many books. look at the kits are almost identical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipperary_GAA http://colgansports.com/tipperary-gaa-home-jersey.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazzas46zs (talk • contribs) 07:01, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are you based on to state that Boca Juniors kit was inspired in Tipperary GAA ? Many researchers and sports journalist have expressed the same about the origin of the colors, so the blue and gold were taken from the flag of Sweden. You can see the sources cited in the article. But if you have reliable sources that prove your assertion, please add it. Thanks. Fma12 (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Fma12 there is a book called: The complete book of football, edited by Chris Hunt. Fma12 you need to look at it. It states that Paddy McCarthy from County Tipperary Founded Boca Juniors along with Baglietto, Sana and Scarpatti Italian immigrants. Here is one statment from the book ("They (Boca Juniors} were founded in 1905 by Irishman Patrick McCarthy, together with Italian immigrants, in the poor docklands of Buenos-Aires the neighborhood that gave birth to the tango.") It seems to me that Patrick McCarthy has been over looked in the Fecundation of Boca Juniors and i have done some research on him and provided the References The complete book of football, edited by Chris Hunt, Paddy McCarthy at Society for Irish Latin America Studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.112.61 (talk) 03:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of the club[edit]

User Gazzas46zs came up with another source about the foundation of Boca Juniors in 1905: (here is the link). This is a book called The World's Game: A History of Soccer which states that Irish immigrant Paddy McCarthy was the real founder of Boca Juniors, and the Genoese people were no more than its followers although they would later be credited as founders.

I explained him that the matter about the origin of Boca Juniors is, at least, a delicate point. Most of researchers who published articles and books in Argentina coincide in a point: that Boca was founded by Italian immigrants (most specifically, Genovese people). And your version about the club being established by McCarthy would fall into contradiction with all the books and articles (even the version by Boca's official website) stating the Genovese origins of the club. I hope you understand the situation: Boca has historically had a strong empathy to the Italian community in Argentina and is still considered "a club of (Italian) immigrants", unlike most of football clubs with British roots.

Therefore I edited the article citing both sources but clearing that the official website still credited Baglietto and Fanega brothers as the founders. I think that keeping two versions of the story (both are reliable sources) is the best way to go on. Further suggestions or comments will be welcome. Fma12 (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick "Paddy" McCarthy, and Boca Juniors Football Kits[edit]

I have done some more research on Paddy McCarthy and on how Boca got there first kits and have hit a wall on the subject. There is almost no evidence to show how Boca got there 1st kits and there world famous blue and gold kits that they where to this day. All there seem to be is a story about how the team decided to adopt the colors of the flag of the first boat to sail into the port at La Boca the Swedish flag witch i find very questionable why would the team even consider to adopt the Swedish flag and go spend money to make there kit on the flags colors? this is just my opinion. it seem to me that the story about how Boca Juniors got there kits is a tall tail story that was just passed down over the years with out any substance to how they actual got there kits because around the 1900 era the finance in the local community's would not of been spent on making new kits for a newly formed clubs in there local areas it was on herd of at the time. In stead what happen around the 1900 was that old used kit from schools or other clubs that had been formed in Britten or Europe where widely sent out to newly formed clubs as so many clubs done around that time. As a big fan of football growing up in Ireland i was told few store on how an Irish man went to Argentina to work and Formed the world famous Boca Juniors club and how that Paddy McCarthy give them kit from his old Gaa Football team Tipperary that wore during the late 1890 and the early 1900. The Tipperary Gaa Football team wore the kits of the champions of the County Tipperary from the 1800 up to 1920 here are some of the kits they wore around the 1900 they resemble the Boca kits. I think there is more credibility on the use of the Tipperary kits than that of Swedish flag story in my opinion. I would like to here all your thoughts on this subject from Boca fans to a Irish Boca fan and if you can show any prof for the Swedish flag store or the Tipperary story i would like to know the true origins of how boca got there kits. Gazzas46zsTalk here are some links for the Tipperary kits 1900http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Kit_right_arm.svg/31px-Kit_right_arm.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Kit_body.svg/38px-Kit_body.svg.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazzas46zs (talk • contribs) 22:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gazza, I understand your opinion, but in fact, this is not more than an "opinion" so you could not prove (through reliable sources) that McCarthy brought the blue and yellow colors to Boca Juniors, based on the Tipperary uniforms. The link you provide telling the work of McCarthy in Argentina, was added so it was published in a book and considered a valid source. No matter how trustworthy can sound the version of the boat with the Swedish flag to you, this has been the version through the years, told by historians, journalists, and researchers. Unless new elements that add new data about the origins of the club supporting what you affirm, the "official" story must prevail. Fma12 (talk) 02:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a new links for you to take a look at m8 that has evidence and sources to support that the kits of Boca Juniors and colors are from the Tipperary GAA Team, Boca have received Jersey from the Tipperary GAA on more than one occasion that's why the kits have changed over the years of 1905 to 1907 due to the champions of Tipperary county GAA changed over the same time period as the title was won over the years in the County. The version of the boat with the Swedish flag may be the origin and official story of the colors, but the jerseys they used where most defiantly Tipperary GAA Jersey's. you should take a look at the links of Paddy McCarthy and Boca Juniors?

sources:Ref: (The Evolution of the GAA) you can buy a copy of the book on Amazon REF: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1810906915126 REF: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/hurlings-darker-side-made-it-to-argentina-26294992.html Gazzas46zs (talk) 16:28, 1 August 2013 (UTC)Gazzas46zs (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Error in "the Bianchi era: the golden age"[edit]

"The team won the Copa Libertadores after 18 years without winning that trophy"

The last Libertadores was in 1978, and it passed 22 years until 2000, not 18. --SantiGNR 93 (talk) 05:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Please do not call the team "Boca Juniors", is Club Atlético Boca Juniors. Do not know how but you must rename Article. Niconicoochoa (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Niconicoochoa The best example for this case is Inter Milan. The full name for this club is Football Club Internazionale Milano Società per Azioni, but the in the world of football, known this club as Inter Milan. In the case for Boca, known more as Boca Juniors or Boca, not Club Atlético Boca Juniors.--Valkrjem (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree. It's not a matter of how a club is popularly known. We have FC Barcelona, not Barça. The official name should be the main title (leaving appart things like S.p.A, S.p.V., S.A.D., etc.). That's the criterion with other articles. We have Club Atlético River Plate, not River Plate. See the spanish page for Boca. They use the full name. According to the Boca's english move log it has already been renamed three times, but all of them have been reverted. Why??? You are not being coherent here. --Arinsau (talk) 13:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see this above? Fenix down (talk) 09:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I dont agree with the content and some comments in the Boca Juniors page as they are tendentious and are not relying on reliable sources. I would like to hace the chance to edit this page. Thanks 202.62.98.33 (talk) 18:16, 12 February 2016 (UTC) Rejected. You need to be much more specific with you issues. Fenix down (talk) 18:20, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Real Madrid titles[edit]

"Internationally, the team has won a total of 22 international titles,[8][9] with 18 recognized by FIFA[10][11] and CONMEBOL.[12] According to that, Boca is ranked second in the world for number of international titles won, together with A.C. Milan and Real Madrid C.F., and behind Al Ahly SC with 20 titles."

Real Madrid now have 20 titles, as the Al-Ahly SC. And Barcelona have 17 titles (FIFA consider the Fairs Cup as a major honour).--201.177.24.52 (talk) 23:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check it out those titles and will update the article if necessary. Thanks, - Fma12 (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category name unification[edit]

Article name is Boca Juniors and All category names are including Boca Juniors. But season category name is including Club Atlético Boca Juniors

Category:Club Atlético Boca Juniors seasons

Are there any reasons? If there aren't any reasons, How about a unification of category nanmes?

Footwiks (talk) 14:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe so, unification would be good. I guess it was named that as the season articles themselves use Club Atlético Boca Juniors; they probably need moving too? R96Skinner (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably English speaker users prefer common name. I don't care either Club Atlético Boca Juniors or Boca Juniors. But I want unification.Footwiks (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of the name[edit]

I know it currently says in Spanish it is ʝ but in Argentine Spanish (more specifically to the City of Buenos Aires region) we usually pronounce it closer to ɟʝ Like "lluvia" sounds closer to "shuvia" than "iuvia", the same with Boca Juniors, sounds closer to "shuniors" than "iuniors" (as in the rest of Latin America)

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Titles update[edit]

Despite of some recent media news (like this) the Argentine Association defines Copa de la Liga Profesional as a "national/domestic cup" (which can be seen at List of champions on AFA website, where the organizing body clearly distinguishes between "league" and "cup" titles, not awarding a league title to past Copa de la Liga winners. Therefore Boca Juniors still have 35 league titles, not 37.

Moreover, AFA Bulletin #6405 proclaimed River Plate as "2023 Primera División champion" and Rosario Central "2023 Copa LPF champion", with no mention of changes at all. Fma12 (talk) 00:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]