Talk:Flag of India/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Heraldic description?

Party per fess Saffron and Vert on a fess Argent a "Chakra" Azure.

Do we have a source for this? Blazon provides some guidelines but itself suffers from a lack of sourcing. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 18:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No, so I removed it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Suggested structure for the article

I'm proposing a complete rewrite of the article using the following strucute:

• Lead
• Design and symbolism
• History
  • Flag movement
  • Flag selection
  • Other flags used (summary style with a link to a split off article where the current content goes)
• Flag code
  • Protocol
  • Manufacturing process
• Notes
  • References
• External links

Some references that I have been able to find so far:

• Available online

1. Roy, Srirupa (2007). Beyond belief : India and the politics of postcolonial nationalism Author: Srirupa Roy. Duke University Press. p. 6. ISBN 9780822340010. OCLC 73742614. {{cite book}}: horizontal tab character in |title= at position 76 (help)
2. Jacobsohn, Gary J. (2003). The wheel of law: India's secularism in comparative constitutional context. Princeton University Press. pp. 5–7, 317. ISBN 9780691122533. OCLC 49513027.
3. The Indian National Flag as a Site of Daily Plebiscite
4. Roy, Srirupa (August 2006). ""A Symbol of Freedom": The Indian Flag and the Transformations of Nationalism, 1906–" (PDF). Journal of Asian Studies. 65 (3). ISSN 0021-9118.

• Not available online

1. The Indian flag; origin, adoption, description, use. India. Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. OCLC 14389783.
2. Virmani, Arundhati (August 1999). "National Symbols under Colonial Domination: The Nationalization of the Indian Flag, March-August 1923". Past & Present (164). Oxford University Press on behalf of The Past and Present Society: 169–197.

Comments/opinions etc etc please. cheers -SpacemanSpiff 06:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

That works. I use that similar format for the Japanese, Chinese and Singaporean flag articles that are either going for FAC or are Good Articles. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Also available online are a couple of relevant legislations - the Flag Code of India, 2002; and the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971. I also have access to the second (JSTOR) article that is unavailable online. Newspaper articles regarding the manufacturing process are also available online. If we have a consensus, let's start! I'm ready to pitch in with what I can. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 09:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I still wish I can get my hands on that standard. I do notice some Indian Government websites give out suggested colors for the flag, so I will try and figure those out. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Not giving up my search for the standards document, but let's start the restructuring now and hopefully, we'll find this soon. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 01:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Naval flags

They are all uploaded to Wikipedia now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

some FAR notes

Spiff, I'm making notes here, since the "leave comments" link goes to an archive. Sorry, I'll be doing this piecemeal (again...), and can't guarantee I'll make much progress: the semester is about to start and I'm very scatter-brained, comme d'habitude.

1. Rephrase "the British" in the lead--it's not parallel with "India," and it's a bit vague (in my opinion).
2. The last sentence of the first paragraph of the lead comes sort of out of nowhere. Rephrase it (so there's a transition between it and the previous sentence(s)/thoughts), or place it somewhere else. Actually, you can move it into the first sentence of the second paragraph, so that "national flag," which opens that sentence, sounds less repetitive.
3. Something similar applies to the last sentence of the second paragraph of the lead: it has nothing to do with the design and colors. Move it into the next paragraph, which talks about function, display, regulations. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Suspect claims

I am skeptical of some statements in the article, even though they are apparently sourced (I haven't checked the sources myself):

• The lede says, "The flag, by law, is to be made of khadi". Does that mean that paper and other cloth flags are illegal ? That is a redflag claim, and I rather suspect that the original statement is missing some qualifiers. (perhaps the law differentiates between "a flag" and a representation of the flag?)
• Some of the claims Manufacturing process are dubious, and others surely false. Among the former, "there are fewer than a dozen weavers in India professing this skill."; and among the latter claims about the "exact" thread count and weight requirements.

Can the claims be checked against the cited sources and the credibility of the sources be checked too ? Abecedare (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Responses:

• "The flag, by law..": This refers to the flag per se, I'm not sure how to exclude representations and adaptations, e.g. Even paper flags for decorative purposes and banners are not covered by "the flag" qualifier.
• "fewer than a dozen": This was carried over from an earlier version, at present there are 16. I'll make that change
• Thread count and weight requirements: We haven't been able to get hold of the BIS document, but thread count is regulated. I'll replace the rediff ref with The Hindu one.
• "supercilious": The word replaced "Reducing India's identity to a rather common symbolic element - a star - appeared to be slightly derisory to him" from a passage focused on the inappropriateness of the (then) current flag and the reason to choose something better.

I'll address the other bits once within the article after reading through in a bit. —SpacemanSpiff 17:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Some other changes I've done based on the comments/inline tags:

• Removed designer from the infobox as the amount of text to be added to clarify that is too much for the infobox
• Bande Mataram flag in Congress 1906 (when tag removed)
• Emblem of India clarification; removed the link as the emblem was officially adopted in 1950
• Original flag code vs 2002 flag code; unfortunately this is one of the few laws that doesn't have a year associated with it in the original form, so I've clarified at the start that original means the "Flag Code - India" (the precursor to Flag code, 2002)

Will complete the rest soon. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 01:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've restored the designer's name to the infobox, and incorporated a clarification in the footnotes. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 10:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Connaught Ranger Mutiny

On a recent edition of Talking History on Irish Radio Station Newstalk it was stated that one of the origins of the colour scheme if the Indian Flag was the raising of the Irish Tri-colour in Jalandhar during the Mutiny of the Connaught Rangers in 1920.

--Gramscis cousin^Talk_Stalk 13:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I haven't come across that in any of the print sources that I've accessed, only the Gandhian selection bit that's been included in the article. Did they give a deeper explanation? Did they reference any books that we could access? —SpacemanSpiff 14:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

BIS Standards

For those in India, would any of you like to get a PDF copy of the following standards:

• IS 1 : 1968 Specification for the National Flag of India (Cotton Khadi)
• IS 300 : 1968 Specification for the national flag of India (silk khadi)
• IS 400 : 1968 Specification for the National Flag of India (Wool Khadi)

I would really appreciate it, so I can help you with this article. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Not in India, but as with a good part of the article, even on this recentism has crept in. The correct name of the org when the standards were devised was "Indian Standards Institution" (became BIS sometime in the 1990s if I'm not mistaken)and the code would have been ISI or IS. Searching for that might give you some success. I haven't been able to unearth much in terms of (good quality) online sources so far. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 21:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

We can talk about the naming later. What I want to do is something like Flag_of_Japan#Design. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I wasn't clear before, but what I meant was searching for some combination of "Indian Standards Institute" and "Indian Flag" etc might help you better than BIS linked searches. Sorry for the confusion, there's more than just the BIS naming issue to pick on right now :) I haven't had much luck in finding the docs myself, the BIS page is extremely unhelpful http://bis.org.in/bis/main.asp]. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 21:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I been looking for a while, the only thing I know is that the CD rom version has been taken offline, all PDF removed and this standard is 40 USD. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I finally got "IS 1 : 1968 Specification for the National Flag of India (Cotton Khadi)" User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 17:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

please add a wikilink

Can somebody please add the interwikilink to Gandhi Jayanti where its mentioned in this article? Thanks. -87.162.73.146 (talk) 09:47, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia, is the free encyclopedia which anyone can edit. Go ahead, click on edit and add two square brackets around the word/words that need to be linked. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Symbolism image

I see that Zscout370 just removed the flag image in favor of the Chakra. I believe the Chakra was added only recently (I think to replace a non-free image of the actual Ashoka Chakra). I think an image of the flag may be of use here as it's the symbolism section. Also, I'm not exactly fond of this spinning chakra image, we don't generally see a spinning chakra representation for pretty much anything related to the flag, in sources or here. Not something that needs an immediate solution, especially if we can actually find the right image for that section. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It was mostly for aesthetics, since putting two images together in just one small section was just too much, in my opinion. I am also going to make some changes to the article based on what I have in IS 1:1968, including adding colors (but the standard doesn't list what navy blue is like, so I will have to ask around). I am fine either way with what is going to be decided. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 17:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

We initially had File_talk:Sarnath_Lion_Capital_of_Ashoka.jpg up here (see the discussion on the non-free rationale), however, as I have been quite inactive since then I seem to have forgotten to go back and add the rationale and then place it here. At this point, I think the original Chakra image from which this spinning derivative was created would probably be an improvement (File:Ashoka Chakra.svg). I'll search around for other images and also look in my personal collection (from Sanchi, where I was allowed to take pictures) to see if I can upload one from the original pillars. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Saffron story Input

I need your Input on section discussing saffron story issue [here] ,

Brief Summary :

1. on the article Flag of India page claim was made Sikh had asked for the addition of black color in the National flag
2. when I condemn and make changes saying Sikh ask for the Saffron color, other editor user:SpacemanSpiff,invite me for the discussion
3. he refers the statements from the book they had follow to write most part of the article(Roy, a Hindu(majority) said the book widely accepted, writer is a scholor)
4. those statement were contradicted to the reference I show to them (Dr. Sangat Singh, a Sikh(minority) philosopher asspeted widely in Sikhs, Editor's they denies the reference, even after reference to the ISBN)
5. next I refer another book by GD Tendulkar, Vol 3 , published in 1952. who proves my point.
6. Other editor says it is a one sector view not the majority acceptable
7. during the disagreement on the addition of POV tag, the claim on article(1) was deleted.
8. Next I show them the original work of the Gandhi, Publish in 100 Volumes, which explain my point clearly. However Editor's act biased here and denies to reach to conclusion.

I proposed my addition on the talk page and start building related pages to explore work in-depth, which were marked as POV fork(was not my Intention). Now I want to know what should be the next ? I don't want to add the contents without the agreement as if not today later they will be replace/removed from the article. Please give you feedback. Thanks You --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 22:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the arguements of the others in the above section. And I can't entirely understand you because your English is apparently not very good. United States Man (talk) 17:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

The above ad hominem remark was totally uncalled-for. Returning to the topic at hand, Wikipedia policies concerning verifiablity, NPOV and reliable sources are the same, regardless of topic. If there are several points of view (as seems to be the case here) they must be identified as such, with appropriate weight given to each viewpoint. I haven't been a WP editor for too long, but I regret to say I've noticed a distinct pattern of POV-pushing in South Asian articles (among other regions). All the best, Miniapolis (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Saffron story

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I've had to revert the "story behind the saffron" addition for the second time for two reasons that the WP:RS nature of the book is in question: (1) the content contradicts two peer reviewed publications from Flag experts, and (2) The book uses disparate sources for its information ranging from biographies to newspaper op-eds etc. —SpacemanSpiff 01:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I denies both the reason,Dr. Sangat Singh, member of Joint Intelligence Committee India, wrote "The Sikhs in History", book is published with ISBN-10: 0964755505 & ISBN-13: 978-0964755505 and is not first time used on wikipedia. Please do your research before pointing.

--Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 02:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Just because it's used elsewhere on Wikipedia doesn't make it reliable, besides being a member of a Joint Intelligence Committee doesn't make the person a reliable historian. You'll need to provide something substantial to change something that's the academic consensus. —SpacemanSpiff 02:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

What does that means ? I have gave you two book's reference what makes you point OUT both of them? what 's your claims validity ? If you don't know or not heard is not my concern. --Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

If you wish to add it here as a reference, especially for statements that contradict well established, scholarly sources, you'll have to show why this is reliable and also why it can over-ride existing academic consensus. You are the one bringing this here. —SpacemanSpiff 02:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I think if you read the earlier version of article you can see the valid criticism by Sikh is missing and article simply says "soon the Sikhs wanted the banner to include the black colour and Gandhi was forced to address these issues in his writings and speeches. " , now neither the color black is a Sikh color nor it says what was forced to address ? What you think why was earlier color RED was changed to SAFFRON , who made this change and WHY? also tell me earlier flags has RED at end and then after why Kesari comes at top ? probably your resource (fake) has any information about this. until the article is set to the new version.

--Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 02:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

While Srirupa Roy is definitely a WP:RS (an expert on Indian studies and professor on India in many universities), the reliability and neutrality of the "THE_SIKHS_IN_HISTORY" reference is questionable. This book in turn relies on "Gandhi and the Sikhs" by Gurmit Singh (see p. 196 of "THE_SIKHS_IN_HISTORY")for the claim that Gandhi did not want the Sikh's saffron in the flag. The Indian critiques of Gandhi [1] remarks that "Gurmit Singh is incensed that Gandhi resisted Dr. Ambedkar's proposal that the Depressed Classes should convert to Sikhism. So his entire book is permeated with a hostility against Gandhi's comment ... " "THE_SIKHS_IN_HISTORY", true to its reference, also retains this anti-Gandhi POV. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 10:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

THe Sikhs In History doesn't look great to me either, for the reasons already stated by SpacemanSpiff and Redtigerxyz. Nonetheless, Roy appears to be an authoritative figure so either he has decided to write a polemic (not uncommon among academics who are immunised by their status) or he has hit on an obscure alternative that just might be worth mentioning as a minority viewpoint - a sentence or two, no more. - Sitush (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Er, Roy hasn't gone off on an alternate theory here, both Roy and Arundhati Virmani provide what's essentially similar information, which is what's currently presented in the article. The newly added book doesn't qualify as a reliable minority viewpoint (as detailed by Red above for this particular case, but the referencing in that book is particularly shoddy, using op-eds from newspapers etc as sources), as they don't appear to have any traction in peer reviewed literature, so I'm not sure adding any mention wouldn't violate WP:DUE.—SpacemanSpiff 11:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Does't that makes any concern if the resource not looks good to you? FACT remains the fact and the resource which you have use to build the article is definitely not a WP:RS as is far from the reality and false claim stated Sikh ask to add BLACK color , no one ever in Sikh has used to represent Sikh, rather basanti/kesari/saffron is the color. First reference is from Dr. Sangat Singh is a Sikh Historian and widely accepted in the Sikhs. and Second reference is from the G.D. Tendulkar's Mahatma. Further I have raised some question in the last post and I am expect answers from your source to address them. --Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but just repeating what you've said and not addressing any of the comments with cogent arguments isn't going to take this discussion anywhere. —SpacemanSpiff 12:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

All point are addressed and references are given If you don't agree and Invalidate all the resource and the facts, means you are acting as BIASED .

--Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 13:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

This is getting to be a futile endeavor. Please undo your gratuitous tagging, or I'll do it for you. You are welcome to discuss once you understand Wikipedia policies, but until such time, this is an incredible waste of everyone's time. —SpacemanSpiff 17:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for no thanks, I am not active it does't means I can't read and understand. according to you the book which has false allegation is acceptable as it is written pro-gandhi and those resource are invalid which show the reality and fact written by minority.You are discriminating here. --Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 21:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

From looking at it as a non-Indian, there are multiple stories on why the saffron color was chosen from just the quick looking. I have not found anything to confirm what Dilpreet has said, but I found sources where one feeling is that saffron was picked to fly above the white and green due to Sikhs leading the cause that Hindus usually do not. There are a few more things on Google Books, but I do not have access to see them at this time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is the view of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. There seems to be a Sikh POV that saffron was included as their colour, but as the reference says this is not the mainstream idea. If this is a significant POV, we can add a line in the article as it being a Sikh POV. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Now we have three resources talking about same thing, philosopher Dr. Sangat Singh, member of Joint Intelligence Committee India, Writer Dinanath Gopal Tendulkar who wrote eight Volumes on gandhi and Michael S. Roth who register Statement. Moreover biased editor still see it is a someone's personnel view not as Historic fact.However they are yet unable to answer any question I have raised. also Please requested not to remove the tag until this discussion reach to conclusion. --Dilpreet Singh Virdi (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I think a small mention can be made about saffron being a Sikh color, but at most two sentences. I feel with this being a FA, all viewpoints should be considered, but not given the weight that I think Dilpreet is asking for us. However, I do have to say to Dilpreet that your issue is with one section in the article and not the whole thing, so I put your POV tag in the symbolism section and remove the general article tag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Just seeing all the sources now, the claim on this is post-facto, about fifty years after the flag was itself created and initial rationales presented, therefore it is clearly fringe, even as per the Veena Das essay (from the Roth book), but whether it's notable fringe or not, I'm not entirely sure. I have no problem in adding this as a note from the section like we address the flag designer issue, but I'm hesitant to present this within the main text (although I'm not entirely against it). Something along the lines of "Subsequently, Bhindranwale and his followers have sought to interpret the Saffron in the Indian flag as denoting the Sikh contributions, but this is not a widely or officially accepted view. :referenced to Veena Das/Roth book". —SpacemanSpiff 08:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I would agree with that wording and idea. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I think we are missing the real stuff all the reference given by other editor's are biased and discriminating Sikh (I will prove) seems they have no original search , Dinanath Gopal Tendulkar Published in 1952, shall consider the most reliable resource of the time and If Bhindrawale has Interpreted the saffron in flag as Sikh color then Bhindrawale is a pro-gandhi and speak the truth which other writer's (Veena/Roy) hiding. Why pretending , reality is reality either accepted by minority or majority. How about adding original writing's of gandhi ? which speaks loud enough to prove every thing.

Zscount I have couple of questions which I asked above :"What you think why was earlier color RED was changed to SAFFRON , who made this change and WHY? also tell me earlier flags has RED at end and then after why Kesari comes at top ?" that seems not cover in the section marked POV.--Dilpreet Singh (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I am going to answer these in a reverse order; The red color was first used in a flag designed by Cama that had green, saffron and red on it with the words "Bande Matram" in the middle. The change of the colors took place in 1931 because Gandhi, according to what I found on Google, through the Congress, wanted a flag that represented no regional meanings and wanted colors that could be used by two other groups (so a red/white/green flag was dropped, an all saffron flag was dropped). The change was made by the AICC. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Please excuse my ignorance: I do fair amount of work on India-related stuff here but flags are not really my thing. Is this yet another Indian history revisionist theory? It certainly has that look to me, having worked my way through the various arguments. If it is, then weight is indeed a serious concern and, yes, WP:FRINGE is significant. I can live with SpacemanSpiff's 08:42 22 July proposal because it pretty much covers my earlier, rather more vague version. I must admit to being heartily fed up of the umpteen claims of ownership/birthright/social exclusivity/prominence etc that persist in India-related stuff across the gamut from which town is bigger to which caste is best. It seems usually to be puffery (nit WP:PUFFERY but puffery nonetheless!). Does anyone have any rational, policy-based objection to SS's proposal that does not involve the aforesaid common issues? - Sitush (talk) 00:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

For me, I do a lot of work about flags but I am horrible when it comes to Indian history and politics. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Patience guys, This happens when people try manipulates the real fact. However originals writings are still available to prove the true fact. --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• As it appears that we have general agreement on policy based arguments, here's the proposed addition to be made after "and faith and chivalry respectively.[25]":

<ref group="N">Subsequently, Bhindranwale and his followers have sought to interpret the saffron in the Indian flag as denoting [[Sikh]] contributions; however, this is not a widely held belief or an officially accepted view.<ref>{{cite book|last=Das|first=Veena|authorlink=Veena Das|title=Disturbing Remains: Memory, History, and Crisis in the Twentieth Century|editor=[[Michael S. Roth]], Charles G. Salas|publisher=Getty Publications, Getty Research Institute|location=Los Angeles|date=2001|volume=7|pages=41–42|chapter=Crisis and Representation:Rumor and the Circulation of Hate|isbn=9780892365388|oclc=44634338|url=http://books.google.co.in/books?id=rZFAmUtaoJkC&lpg=PP1&dq=Disturbing%20Remains%3A%20Memory%2C%20History%2C%20and%20Crisis%20in%20the%20Twentieth%20Century&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false|accessdate=2012-07-23}}</ref></ref>

I think I've addressed the issue, the only thing I'm not entirely sure of is the syntax for the nested note-ref which we can probably figure out while adding. —SpacemanSpiff 06:47, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

No I disagree to the addition proposed I hope you read my statement above carefully .--Dilpreet Singh (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Most Indian think Congress is Gandhi , When ever someone name it, Gandhi comes to their mind. Reality is Gandhi was a member of Congress, they have all other representatives. Who despite of the gandhi's sentiments adopt the Sikh Color, SAFFRON.

• Here are is the exact copy of the letter addressed to Sikh league on June 13 , 1931, gandhi said "So far as the recommendations about the flag are concerned I would advise you to send them to the Secretary of the Flag Committee appointed by the Working Committee of the Congress. The convener and the Secretary of the Flag Committee is Dr. Pattabhi Sitaramayya, Masulipatam, S. India."

• session August 6 to 8, 1931 All India Congress Committee(AICC) adopted a flag by the following resolution almost unanimously passed:

"The National Flag shall be three-coloured, horizontally arranged as before, but the colours shall be saffron, white and green, in the order stated here, from top to bottom, with the spinning-wheel in dark blue in the centre of the white stripe; it being understood that the colours have no communal significance, but that saffron shall represent courage and sacrifice, white peace and truth, and green shall represent faith and chivalry, and the spinning-wheel the hope of the masses. The proportions of the flag should be fly to hoist as three to two"

• In session Gandhi says, "It should be remembered, that the white, green, and red tricolour flag was never authoritatively adopted by the Congress. It was conceived by me, and I had certainly given it a communal meaning. It was intended to represent communal unity.The Sikhs protested and demanded their colour. Consequently a Committee was appointed. It collected valuable evidence and made useful recommendations. And now we have a flag which has been authoritatively robbed of any communal meaning, and has a definite meaning assigned to each colour. The red has been replaced by saffron colour, and is put first purely from the artistic standpoint."

Above statements clearly says Sikh demands Inclusion of the Saffron Color, A separate Flag Committee was set to address this issue by the working committee. who replaced RED with SAFFRON and placed at top*(more research needed) and new definite meaning were given to them.

Now please tell me who was right ? Bhindrawale/ Dr. Sangat Singh Or Veena/Roy/Other's writter used in articles? --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

The passage you've quoted above directly contradicts anything you're saying. If there's anyone else that has any credible arguments based on reliable sources, we've got something to discuss, else this discussion is over and the tags come off along with the addition of the above proposed text. —SpacemanSpiff 17:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I can see your biased arguments which are fill with the ignorance of the real fact. Considering you have read above statements and understand what is said. --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• This is getting increasingly tiresome. I see everyone other than User:Dilpreet Singh Virdi holding the same interpretation of the multiple sources and in general agreement on how to handle this. If we don't see any objections soon enough -- not just random musings, but with the support of sources, we should close this discussion and implement the solution. While I think the POV tag above the article is absurd, it's probably not worth an edit war over something that's likely to change within the next day or so. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I really now doubt what you means by the same Interpretation? In above statement Gandhi clarifies the everything, "The Sikhs protested and demanded their colour. Consequently a Committee was appointed. It collected valuable evidence and made useful recommendations. And now we have a flag which has been authoritatively robbed of any communal meaning, and has a definite meaning assigned to each colour. The red has been replaced by saffron colour, and is put first purely from the artistic standpoint" all your resource are contradicted to this statement. How can act as Ignorant and Instead of trusting ORIGINAL source referring to other which are contradicted to orignal? --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 17:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I removed the tag; I agree this is going nowhere. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 17:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

We have all necessary information requires to prove the fact I stated earlier , what else you needed ? article is still POV saying Sikh ask for the black color addition which is absurd . --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

So all of this fighting just over once sentence? I just took the sentence out. Now, Dilpreet, wasn't that hard? Plus, for future reference, if there is just one sentence that is an issue, take it out and not declare an entire article POV because of just one line. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

You remove the line does that remove the SACRIFIES OF THE HUNDRED"S OF THOUSAND people? who stand in front of the open Gun's for freedom struggle? does this justifies? and there are other issue still pending if the flag was design by Flag committee and adopted by AICC, what were the conditions ? under which condition's so called design come's in picture ? Why chakar size reduced ? RED replaced by SAFFRON and moved on TOP? do you think it is just a cloth and can be placed anywhere without having a reason? --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 19:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

To answer questions:

1. It is the wording that you seemed to have a problem with; so take out the wording. I cannot see the source, so I cannot say for sure what it has said for sure.
2. I do not know the conditions on what kind of design they are looking for (unlike that of, lets say, Kosovo's flag where it had specific rules on not using the colors of national subgroups (red/black and red/blue/white).
3. Not understanding that question about what "condition's so called design come's in picture."
4. Not sure why the chakra size was reduced, but all I have is what was published in IS1:1968.
5. One of the proposed flags was red/green (with red on top), so it always had that position of being on top. The white was added to keep a balance between the red (and later saffron) and green (and maybe to keep with the rules of heraldry, but that last part is my guess). While I have found some interpretations where the red was moved to the top because of some kind of leadership of Sikhs in the independence movement, those were viewpoints I maybe saw once (and the text was copied from book to book, so no idea who originally stated this).

1. A debate hinted that the red was removed to make it less of a sectarian flag. While it was pointed out that each of the three colors could be thought of representing the religions of India (with saffron being meant for the Sikhs) but that would not be something the government would actively pursue. I think what we got here is many competing flags to become India's first flag after British rule were put into the mix (with many designs) and the red (later saffron)/white/green tricolor won it out after years of decisions and debates. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

1. In my study of flags that has expanded for over 10 years, I seen flag designs that just confuse and baffle the mind. For example, the reason for the design of Niger's flag is just unknown (like many details) and many flags that are in my country are just corporate logos on backgrounds and the logos do not have any meaning or significance other than it looks cool. So there are flags without meanings; and in a case like India's flag, some details might be forever lost to history so we might not just know. Plus, as I said, I am trying to view this from an American point of view so what I know and can find would be severely limited. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that History is a vast subjects and it remains mystery until we reach to the real source of Information. However it is always a dangerous having 'partial" information than "NO" information. Which leads to unnecessary meanings and views who had no significance. Further based on these insignificant information new researches starts which gives another point of view , which is Far-Far away from the reality and we have same situation here.

with the Flag Committee appointed additional that means they had did atleast some work on Flag to bring the final design. Which I suspects could have recorded and is misplaced or lost or not widely recorded. Books which were written during the freedom struggle like GD tendulkar may have Information or at least some symptoms explaining the fact. Earlier you posed the story "one feeling is that saffron was picked to fly above the white and green due to Sikhs leading the cause that Hindus usually do not" is one of the story I have listen. which says, Patel, Nehru and Gandhi were agreed to do so(Placed at TOP) as Sikh were considered as giant(read gandhi letter for reference VOL52) and ready to stand in front while Flag march, where British stand with the Gun's and Sikh place the condition if they are ready for they death while march their color Saffron should be place on top of flag(speeches are available on youtube). Size of Chakra reduce it may or may not be the "look" issue , Currently I have no information on Chakra as soon I had I will share. However for now we can abide with what we have and keep on researching.

--Dilpreet Singh (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The only thing I know about the Chakra is while it shrunk over time, I am not sure why. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:08, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

As we have all the proof's and original writing's of gandhi stating the fact. I proposed for addition as,

"As Baba Kharak Singh, Sikhs representative refuse to support the congress unless Kesari, Sikh colour was included to flag. Congress was forced to address these issues despite Gandhi's sentiments. Flag Committee appointed with secretary Dr. Pattabhi Sitaramayya, Masulipatam, by working committee . owing to the religious-political sensibilities, in 1931, Congress changed the flag colours, stating that Kesari/saffron stood for the courage and sacrifices of the people, white for purity, and green for hope."

I expect you'r honest feedback on this . --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Dilpreet Singh, you need to let this go. There is a clear consensus here and it appears to include people from a wide range of editing and real life experience. Your emotional involvement is counter-productive in situations such as this: you have to examine things dispassionately. If needs be, you can always write up your own theories etc on a blog or whatever. - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

this is true sentiments always involve when your forefather do so much and in return you have such condition. moreover, here we are examining the truth with the Quality documents. I am not expecting immediate improvement in the article however as we go along can be made gradually to reach the prefect version. --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 00:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a lot that this article could need, but a lot of it would be something I have to look at (especially when it comes to variant flags). I just added everything from IS1:1968 that I have but there are color details of the navy blue that I need. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

as mention above I keep eye on the Evidence needed to give more perfect version. also please show your agreement/disagreement to my proposal above, so that I can proceed with the change with ease. --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Dilpreet, you do not remotely have consensus for change, nor do you have it for creation of a POV fork. Please read WP:CONSENSUS and WP:IDHT. - Sitush (talk) 06:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Sitush I know who insist you to saying so. this is not POV fork Flag committee is a independent subject, user:SpacemanSpiff narrowing the research. he had't get back since proved wrong, Do he has knowledge how to bring the real fact and research on histroy? he has claim thrice from the literature written 50 years after? and To the ORIGINAL writings of gandhi he respond with this statement "If there's anyone else that has any credible arguments based on reliable sources, we've got something to discuss" , this where this wiki fighter stands. I request you don't make this a consensus case or pov fork all this subject needs to research at depth --Dilpreet Singh (talk) 11:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

References

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Ashok Chakra's Size

I need your attention towards the table showing the various sizes of the Ashok Chakra in the flag of India. According to the Flag code of India (2002) (by the Ministry of Home Affairs, GoI), no legal specifications have been provided about the exact size of the Ashok Chakra in the flag. Hence, is not the table inappropriate to be displayed there? - Kunalrks (talk), 05:11 pm, 11^th December, 2014.

Although the size is not specified in the flag code, it is specified in the IS1 manufacturing standards. This is what the table is referencing. --Laser brain (talk) 18:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

References

Material of the flag

I know that technically, the flag is only supposed to be made of a certain material (namely khadi) but from personal experience, I can tell you that none of the Indian flags I've seen in public places have been made of khadi (I have some particularly patriotic friends of Indian origin, and the flags in their homes do appear to be made of the stuff, hence the qualifier about "public places"). I live in the United States, where flag manufacturers probably don't know or don't care about the Indian government's regulations, and I think it worth mentioning that the guidelines are only enforceable within the borders of the Republic of India, so flags made outside of India are frequently not made according to official rules. Unfortunately, my personal experience is not a "verifiable source" and I cannot send flags over the Internet, so I'm wondering about how we might get this valuable information onto the article without violating WP policy. Lockesdonkey (talk) 23:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Lockesdonkey you need not worry about it as there is no such strict rule that the flag need to be made of khadi or cotton only as when the flag was adopted in constituent assembly two flags were presented and one was of cotton and other was of silk . Vikku.pandey (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

References

Tallest, largest flag

Recently a section was added to the article claiming that an Indian flag had been unfurled that was "world's largest and tallest flag" (at 96 by 64, and at a height of 250 feet). Although the claim was based on a ostensibly reliable source (this India Today article), in my view:

• the section is undue,
• and the information is false. See for example, this earlier report of a larger Afghan flag; or the yet larger and taller Tajikistani Flag, Azerbaijani flag, Saudi flag, North Korean flag...

Given this, I have removed the claim from the article. Abecedare (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Abecedare check it [2] I can provide lots of sources. If that is not the tallest one in the world then that must be the tallest Indian national flag. So just make a change:"world's largest and tallest Indian flag" Suman420 (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Article issues

Given that the article is now at FAR, time to document the problems and address them soon.

• History section
  • A good portion appears to be synthesis as some of the entries aren't really discussed by sources in the context of the Indian flag.
  • Notability/relevance (undue in this context) of some of the flags (Ghadar party is one, many aren't included in the List of Indian flags, but that doesn't really prove anything)
• Proper flag protocol
  • A good bit of unsourced text
  • Copy-editing required
• Layout
  • Too many images, distracting from the text

Will add more soon, and then start tackling. -SpacemanSpiff 04:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree on the the images being extremely distracting. i couldnt read the text continuously for more than a few seconds without glancing around.

• The history section can be moved into a table with two columns with smaller images. The images should be on one side - either right or left. sorting can be according to timeline. Excess text can be moved to a new article on history and evolution of the flag
• Two tables for two sections - the official (british raj/company) flags and the various independence movements' flags. The company had at least one more flag before 1800s [3]
• The flag protocol can be trimmed and the "legalese" text moved into Flag Code of India
• Infobox needs to be added
• Lead section can be made to a single para. the designer/history/code/material should be moved to the respective sections. I
• images in lead section have to be removed (replaced with infobox)--Sodabottle (talk) 06:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• • The 1906 flag shown here is a faked digitally manipulated image. The original flag designed by Bhikaji Cama had flowers in the top band, and not lotus's.

Original image can be sourced from the Archives of India.--BawliBooch (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Significant Deletion Edit

I agree with a lot of what was said above. My proposal, however focuses on a particular portion of the History section text and associated images that could be almost completely edited out without losing, in fact greatly improving, the clarity, consistency and quality of standard overall for the article.

The portion in question consists of paragraphs III, IV and V under History as of June 19, 2015 (namely: 1. "The partition... Indian nationalists." 2. "Around the... nationalist movement." 3. "In 1916... national flag."), as well as the framed images/captions of the Vande Mataram and Home Rule Movement Flags.

Reasons for this significant proposed edit are both objective and holistic/aesthetic. Firstly, the information in these three paragraphs generally explains, often repetitively, how very early informal adaptations of national flags did not gain traction within the broader independence movement. The History portion, in my humble opinion, should rather lay focus on the background of the colonial flag and thereafter a genesis of the present flag which can trace its roots back to Gandhi's proto-Swaraj flag of 1921. This would greatly increase consistency and logical flow when read after the edit in question.

Secondly, the body of text over these three paragraphs consists of 3 citations from 2 sources, one of which contains a dead link, and the other behind a paywall/institutional access barrier. This has in particular led to the article's version of the Vande Mataram flag being considered as based upon an obscure source. Its image in the article is in fact one interpretation (and forged according to BawliBooch) out of several others with changed order of colours, different colours for one band, substituted symbols or order of symbols, and style of writing in the central band, some of which are shown in the List of Indian flags article alongside both flags affected by this proposal.

Thirdly, the paragraphs and images related to these two flags implicitly gives subjective preference to them in particular over other independence era flags, such as the unmentioned flags of both Ghadar Party and Indian National Army. This links back to the first point, that in order for objectivity and article aesthetics to be improved, a succinct history of the official British Indian flag followed by origins of the officially adopted Swaraj flag, to which both Vande Mataram and Home Rule flags have no "genetic" link so to speak, would be an unbiased, clear and compact explanation of the flag's early History, in a section which already contains the longest undivided body of text on the page. For those fearful of losing information, both images and more elaborate versions already exist on the list of Indian flags article, with blank table sections alongside that could easily be filled with a brief, sourced summary of the three paragraphs.

Given that there are at least three detailed suggestions for article edits, may we proceed with a notification and feedback process before which the edits take place? Perhaps in a phased manner, the previous suggestions can be at least partially incorporated. My suggestion requires a simple omitting edit which can perhaps be more easily implemented than the wider transformational edits mentioned prior. Therefore, I'd like to give till the end of June for other contributors or readers to make objections, agreements or suggestions clear with regard to my proposed editing out of paragraphs. If no objection occurs, the edit in question will be made on the first day of July, 2015, incorporating whatever suggestions are made up to that point. R2d2 ka baap (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

While waiting for responses, the uncontroversial points of agreement have been implemented without significantly altering the article. The three paragraphs of information have been replicated as notes to the List of Indian flags article, and the problematic interpretation of 'Vande Mataram' flag has been removed with a link added in text to the aforementioned article where other versions are also displayed. This also helps address the suggestions to reduce unnecessary clutter of images. To improve it further, replies are necessary on the above proposal wherein removal of paragraphs and the Home Rule flag will work towards concision. R2d2 ka baap (talk) 01:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

The image issue was discussed in 2009, sorted out and subsequently reviewed to be fine too. Deadlinks or paywalls should not matter as they have been verified while it would be preferred to replace the deadlink with an archive/fresh link. Quality scholarly sources are often behind paywalls. If the VM flag is in question, then we do need to address it, but then that's across multiple articles, not just this one; this image is in use across multiple articles in multiple languages, and is hosted on Commons, so we'll need to have a uniform replacement discussion there This seems to be a starting point for that as it lists the sources for a few of the flags. The adaptation of the current flag was an iterative process and all major contenders do have to be considered. While it may appear that the VM flag might be getting prominence over INA etc, it's because reliable sources say so. We have to give due importance based on how scholarly sources address the issue. While I think we may be able to trim the content, any elimination of this isn't the right thing. —SpacemanSpiff 02:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

To clarify on specific points:

• Removing/replacing the VM flag as suggested above by User:R2d2 ka baap, good idea
• Trimming and removing somewhat extraneous content from history section, yes. However, before we go about that, I think we should have a discussion on what should be included/removed (there's currently no hurry). IMO this version of the article should serve as a good starting point especially for history as that was the content that was reviewed by multiple people and found to be good (at that point in time), we can of course add/remove based on consensus now; but to the original point, it has definitely digressed quite a bit.

Re-reading my earlier post, I realized that it appears that I was talking in abstracts, so hope this clarifies. —SpacemanSpiff 02:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Specific issues now:

1. Vande Mataram flag (the original is one with lotus buds and not fully bloomed ones as shown currently, and that seems to be in sync with what Virmani has to say as well as what the Ministry of IB/Singh published in 1991) and the Home Rule movement flag don't have much significance to the article in the larger context and should therefore go.
2. Star of India flag; while both the blue and red were used, the blue banner was the one that had official recognition and the red did not.
3. Paras 3, 4, 5 do set the context for the flag movement and I think that jumping from the British flag to Gandhi's directly doesn't provide the context. Can that section be improved? Sure. But elimination is not the right idea.
4. Using Virmani and Roy as sources. Those are two comprehensive scholarly articles on the Indian flag, peer reviewed.
5. Including others such as the INA/Ghadar Party is WP:UNDUE. We include what's considered important enough by reliable sources, these aren't.

—SpacemanSpiff 04:54, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Spiff. I had posted my long response yesterday but it seems to have gotten lost somehow? Must have been a browser or net problem, anyway I cannot replicate that elaborate answer for lack of time. Long story short, I understand your points though I still think a simple link to the less relevant flags and variants within the body of text is a good idea, with a bridging paragraph to replace the three between British and Gandhi's flag. It seems you are correct that crowded images of the section can wait, it is neither unbearable nor urgent. I may revisit later on if more people concur and change is in sight. R2d2 ka baap (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Fringe claim on flag designer

This is being used to add a fringe claim attributed to one Capt. L Panduranga Reddy. While IE is credible, they have been careful enough to not report this as news but as a claim by this person. This isn't a fact checked claim and given the non-controversial consensus among historians etc on the designer of the flag, this sort of a dubious claim doesn't belong here. —SpacemanSpiff 05:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015

Please change "Designed by Pingali Venkayya to Mrs. Suraiya Badruddin Tayyabji" because it has been proven that the latter is the true designer (Source - http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Hyderabadi-Muslim-woman-not-Pingali-designed-Tricolour/2013/07/02/article1663152.ece) SophieDawud (talk) 08:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

•  Not doneSee above. —SpacemanSpiff 08:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Media related to Mahatma Gandhi

This featured article currently has category named Category:Media related to Mahatma Gandhi. Flag is obviously not "media". If you see current content of this category it has books, newspapers, films related to Mahatma Gandhi and Indian national flag no where suits in this category. We should take notice that this is a featured article, and it should be best, FA's are ideal articles for other articles of same topic, or articles of flags of other nations. I'm removing this category. Thank you. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  06:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

An eminently sensible edit, Human3015, thanks.  Philg88 ^♦talk 06:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Symbolism section

The edit in 2012 which moved the Symbolism section ahead of the History section leaves it lacking context. It mentions Gandhi's proposed flag, but pictures of it appear only later in the History section. Readers are also not told what a charkha is. The entire section should probably be trimmed down to remove any historical references, and describe just the current symbolism; its roots can be discussed in the History section. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree, I think it ought to go back down, it's difficult to provide context to the symbolism without the history behind it. As for the Charkha, I was sure it was linked but I guess I'm wrong, I can address that while modifying the rest. —SpacemanSpiff 04:11, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2016

Sir, There are some spelling errors in this article. I would like to edit and correct the spelling errors Regards, Tharun03 Tharun03 (talk) 12:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 13:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2016

First paragraph under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_India#Manufacturing_process needs modification. Now the largest flag is in Raipur (Chhattisgarth).
Sources:
1. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/largest-tricolour-atop-tallest-mast-to-be-hoisted-in-raipur-on-saturday/story-XCxAD5TAAwkD4uBn7cU3LL.html
2. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/raipur/Raipur-gets-countrys-tallest-tricolour/articleshow/52058080.cms?
Please change text:
"and the largest size 90×60 ft is hoisted in Connaught Place, New Delhi." to
"and the largest size 105X70 ft is hoisted in Raipur, Chhattisgarth. This also has the tallest flag post in India (82 meters height)."
Agrankush (talk) 04:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

• Sort of done, I've removed the Connaught place one and the largest flag reference completely. —SpacemanSpiff 08:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
• Thanks SpacemanSpiff. Could you please add the reference for the largest/tallest flag to Raipur?

Several things. The request is getting a bit stale. It isn't clear to me where exactly you want the additional text placed. "Manufacturing process" doesn't seem to be the place for this. Per SpacemanSpiff's edit summary, coverage of this might not be worth it. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:29, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Current Indian Flag.

Can someone please find out who designed the current Indian flag. Pingali designed a similar one, but according to many other websites I read, the current Indian flag with the Ashoka Chakra was designed by a woman named Suraiya Tayabji. Hammad.511234 (talk) 00:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2016

India's Tallest Flag

The Indian national flag on the tallest mast was hoisted on 23 January 2016 by Manohar Parrikar in Pahari Mandir of Ranchi. The flag pole stands at 293 ft and weighs 60kg with dimensions of 66 ft by 99 ft.

India's Second Tallest Flag

The second tallest national flag is 291-foot at Sanjeevaiah Park, on the banks of the historic Hussain Sagar lake of Hyderabad, Telangana. Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao hoisted the flag on the second Telangana Formation Day, June 2nd 2016. The flag measures 72 ft by 108 ft and weighs over 65 kilos. The Telangana government spent close to Rs 3 Crore. The state’s effort to hoist the tallest National Flag(303 ft flag mast) couldn't come to fruition as the Airports Authority of India objected to the height because the Begumpet airport is in the near vicinity of the park. Shanksweb (talk) 19:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  20:04, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

•  Not done This was already asked and answered last month. There's no need for this content on here, the last six months have seen multiple contestants for this, more importantly this newest entrant doesn't even conform to the flag code. —SpacemanSpiff 16:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Why not add a list of tallest flags: The fact that the Flag has been hoisted means that it has to be mentioned. It can be added that the flag doesn't conform to the Flag Code. The flags are the pride of the place and obviously there will be multiple contestants to the tallest flag!!!--Shanksweb (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

This article isn't for that, it isn't to document what any place considers its pride. Please don't misuse the requested edit template by repeatedly requesting the same after it has been answered. —SpacemanSpiff 16:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Flag code of India be merged into Flag of India. I think that the content in the Flag code of India article can easily be explained in the context of Flag of India, and the Flag of India article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Flag code of India will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Further, and more importantly, it seems that most of the content of Flag code of India article is already part of Flag of India article under Protocol section which links to the Flag code of India article as "Main article" but without much increase in content in the latter. Jamadagni (talk) 04:35, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose: Flag of India has been recognized as a Featured article and has passed criterion 2. b. of the Featured article criteria: "comprehensive: it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context;" A merge is unnecessary, or harmful, in terms of the comprehensiveness and due weight of this article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:13, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Credit for Designing the flag

Our national flag was designed by a Hyderabadi Muslim woman by the name of Suraiya Tayyabji and not by Pingali Venkaiah as is widely believed, according to Voice of Telangana president Capt. L Panduranga Reddy.

At a press conference here on Monday, Panduranga Reddy said the popular belief wes that in 1921 the All India Congress Committee meeting was held at Bezawada (Vijayawada) wherein Pingali Venkaiah, a Congress volunteer designed a tri-coloured flag and presented it to Mahatma Gandhi.

Gandhi was reportedly impressed by the design and passed it on to the working committee. In deference to the wishes of Gandhi, the Congress adopted the flag and subsequently it went on to become the national flag. But the truth is that the national flag was designed by a Hyderabadi Muslim woman, Suraiya Tayyabji.

In order to substantiate his claims Capt. Panduranga Reddy said that the AICC authorised historian Bhogaraju Pattabhi Seetaramaiah on the issue of national flag, who has written that the issue of national flag was for the first time discussed in the annual conference of the Indian National Congress held at Calcutta in 1923.

However, the Home Rule League movement which was started by Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Annie Beasant in 1916, had already designed a flag and propogated it as the national flag.

After the merger of Home Rule League in Congress, a sub-committee was appointed to finalise the national flag, but the committee never met and the Congress included a charkha in the Home Rule League flag and adopted it as the national flag.

It was in 1931, that the original red colour in the Home Rule League flag was replaced with the ochre colour and that the charkha was replaced by Ashoka’s Dharma Chakra.

However, Seetaramaiah did not make any mention of Pingali Venkaiah’s name, not even once in his book.

Moreover, the resolutions adopted during 1921 All India Congress Committee meeting held at Bezawada makes no mention of the meet adopting a resolution on the acceptance of the national flag design prepared by Pingali Venkaiah, he claimed.

Even in the book published on the freedom struggle by noted historian Tarachand “Freedom Struggle of India” published in 1957, there was no mention of Pingali Venkaiah having designed the national flag.

“Moreover, the book published on the occasion of centenary year of Congress party in 1985 has no mention of Pingali Venkaiah designing the national flag”, he said. It was Prof. Sarojini Regani of Osmania University, who in her hagiography, “Highlights of the Freedom Movement in Andhra Pradesh” published by the state government in 1972 had written about Pingali Venkaiah designing the national flag. However, she does not cite any primary source to substantiate her assertion.

The sample prepared by Suraiya Tayyabji was approved on July 17, 1947, he claimed and added that English historian Trevor Royle in his book “The Last Days of the Raj” has written that the national flag was actually designed by Badruddin Tayabji’s wife Suraiya Tayabji. http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Hyderabadi-Muslim-woman-not-Pingali-designed-Tricolour/2013/07/02/article1663152.ece https://www.scoopwhoop.com/inothernews/surayya-tayyabji-designer-of-the-indian-tricolour/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.206.165 (talk) 05:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Is it apt to designate Pingali Venkayya as the designer of the final Modern Indian flag, when his desogn (White, green red with a spinwheel) look nothing like the finalized version designed by Suraiya Tayyabji ( Saffron/Orange, white and green with the Ashoka Chakra in the middle) http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Hyderabadi-Muslim-woman-not-Pingali-designed-Tricolour/2013/07/02/article1663152.ece

http://missiontelangana.com/the-truth-about-who-designed-the-indian-national-flag/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.98.20 (talk) 13:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

We cannot make any changes to the article until we get good sources to cite. Capt. L Panduranga Reddy's statement is insufficient.--PremKudva^Talk 04:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

Shaikhhyd (talk) 14:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done blank request. —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017

change population to 1.311647585 billion to be more accurate. 88.96.6.246 (talk) 14:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK _Discuss 01:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2017

The designer of Indian Union Flag as we Know it today is surayyatayabji

I would like you to edit and provide with complete and true story behind the Designing of the Indian Union Flag and the personalities involved in designing it and who's design was adopted how many people contributed to it. Below I'm providing a link with the correct details of the designer of Indian flag as we know it so if you can update and provide correct information on a respectable site like Wikipedia I believe lot of people will benefit from it many thanks.

http://www.manojkerai.com/blog/surayyatayabji/ Abdul Akram (talk) 10:45, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Flag song

Vijayi Vishwa Tiranga Pyara by Shyamlal Gupta is used as official flag song. The article does not mention it. Please add it at appropriate place. Ref:--Nizil (talk) 05:05, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2017

Indian National Flag wasn't designed by "Pingali Venkayya". It was designed by a Hyderabadi Muslim Women named "Surayya Tayyabji". sources: Google and see. there is a lot of articles regarding that with proofs. Akhilkareem (talk) 02:12, 17 August 2017 (UTC) Akhilkareem (talk) 02:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See the request and responses made two days ago. nihlus kryik (talk) 03:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2017

159.220.78.17 (talk) 07:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

"Please go through the below link and make the changes accordingly https://www.scoopwhoop.com/inothernews/surayya-tayyabji-designer-of-the-indian-tricolour/#.97o6fhme0"

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 11:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I think the IP want to say to add Surayya Tayyabji in article who suggested Ashoka's Dharma Chakra in place of Charkha (spinning wheel) in final map. Though claim needs better citation for verification.--Nizil (talk) 05:05, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Some refs:New Indian Express, [4]

These articles quotes paragraph from book:

By one of those contradictions which run through India’s history, the national flag was designed by a Muslim, Badr-ud-Din Tyabji. Originally the tricolour was to have contained the spinning-wheel symbol (charka) used by Gandhi but this was a party symbol which Tyabji thought might strike the wrong note. After much persuasion Gandhi agreed to the wheel because the Emperor Ashoka was venerated by Hindu and Muslim alike. The flag which flew on Nehru’s car that night had been specially made by Tyabji’s wife.-(Trevor Royle, The Last Days of the Raj, Cornet Books, Hodder and Stoughton, London, pg. 217)

The issue should be checked. Though I had read in Archives that it is considered as fringe claim, not historians' consensus.--Nizil (talk) 05:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• This is entirely a fringe claim, no historian subscribes to this theory, in fact Virmani or Roy, both scholars of the flag don't even mention it, this is just something that this non-historian came up with recently and some newspapers parroted that claim while attributing it to him. —SpacemanSpiff 10:08, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

TFA rerun

Per the discussion at User_talk:Dank#Another old FA, I'm adding this article to the list of potential TFA reruns, probably for 15 August. Any cleanup needed? If it helps, here's a list of dead or dubious links. (None at the moment.) - Dank (push to talk) 19:04, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks Dank, the dead and dubious links shouldn't be an issue -- 2 to 5 keep getting added on by drive-bys but as the above discussion and a couple of them in the archives show, this isn't even notable fringe for it to find its way to the article and therefore the links and associated content get reverted very soon (I think checklinks is lagging right now as these links have been removed a while back). The major clean up that I can think of is another round of copy-edit, it's been a long while since Laser brain went through the task. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 23:47, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll be happy to run through it in August. - Dank (push to talk) 00:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2017

translate english to marathi Rushisabban555 (talk) 13:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Nihlus 13:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2018

Please add Indian Flag => Indian Flag Indian Flag keyword with External URL Ajaydamraliya (talk) 14:01, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: Per WP:ELNO Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2018

Please change

'In 2002, on hearing an appeal from a private citizen, Naveen Jindal, the Supreme Court of India directed the Government of India to amend the code to allow flag usage by private citizens. Subsequently, the Union Cabinet of India amended the code to allow limited usage. The code was amended once more in 2005 to allow some additional use including adaptations on certain forms of clothing. The flag code also governs the protocol of flying the flag and its use in conjunction with other national and non-national flags.'

to

'In 2002, on hearing an appeal from an Indian citizen, Naveen Jindal, the Supreme Court of India directed the Government of India to amend the code to allow flag usage by private citizens. Naveen Jindal’s struggle for the Tricolour began in early 1992 when he hoisted a tricolour at his factory in Raigarh. The then Commissioner of Bilaspur objected to it on the ground that as per the Flag Code of India, a private citizen was not permitted to fly the Indian flag except on certain days. The Supreme Court on 23rd January, 2004 dismissed the Civil Appeal No.2920 of 1996 arising out of SLP No. 1888 of 1996 filed by Union of India against the judgment and order dated 22nd September, 1995 of Delhi High Court and held that flying the national flag was a symbol of expression that came within the right to freedom of expression under Article 19(1) (a) of the Constitution.

Subsequently, the Union Cabinet of India amended the code to allow limited usage. The code was amended once more in 2005 to allow some additional use including adaptations on certain forms of clothing. The flag code also governs the protocol of flying the flag and its use in conjunction with other national and non-national flags.'

because we have cited our sources for the same. Pooja.Shirsat (talk) 10:47, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done: The proposed text is undue detail and not of an encyclopedic tone ("struggle for the Tricolour", etc.). --Laser brain (talk) 14:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Official Indian Flag is Not Tricolour

Four Colours in Official Indian Flag Orange(Kumkum) White Green

& Blue Wheel (Ashoka Chakra)

Whithout Blue Wheel in the center, It is not Indian Flag. Binojthoppil (talk) 04:01, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2018

Please correct the image of the National Flag of India The Platinum Gamer (talk) 06:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: @The Platinum Gamer: can you point out what problem you see with the current flag image ? Abecedare (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

The flag doesn't look exact when not zoomed. To be precise, the Ashok Chakra is not proper as its spokes are not distinct. --The Platinum Gamer (talk) 08:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: That is caused by the image being small, nothing can be done about that. Danski454 (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Indian flag is a collective effort by many people. Please give credit to all the contributors even if they are women. That is equality.

Trevor Royle, an English historian in his book The Last Days of The Raj wrote about how the national flag that we know of today came into existence on July 17, 1947. He wrote, “By one of those contradictions which run through India’s history, the national flag was designed by a Women, Badh-ud-Din Tyabji. Originally the tricolor was to have contained the spinning wheel symbol (charkha) used by Gandhi but this was a party symbol, which Tyabji thought might strike the wrong note. After much persuasion Gandhi agreed to the wheel because the Emperor Ashoka was venerated by Hindu and Muslim alike. The flag which flew on Nehru’s car that night hadbeen specifically made by Tyabji’s wife.”

Pingali Venkayya made the original design for indian National Congress.

While a thorough research of Constituent Assembly of India debates shows the documents and names of the members of the flag presentation committee where Surayya Tyabji is indeed mentioned, it is disheartening how her contribution has been completely disregarded and erased from our history.

It is not right to avoid a women who contributed to the final version of Indian national flag. Kinheart (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Tricolour flag without Ashoka chakra is not considered an Indian flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinheart (talk • contribs) 13:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021

62.149.73.145 (talk) 06:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

plz read here its not proved till now how can you mentioned the name here https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-did-a-muslim-woman-design-indian-national-flag-1317892-2018-08-18

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.   melecie   t 09:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

FA issues

The article has quite a lot of unsourced material, so it has 1c issues Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2021

Add {{main|Flag code of India}} to the start of the "Display" section 131.111.243.142 (talk) 21:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: This is already included at the top of the "Protocol" section RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2021

You have left out a member of the Flag Committee of India. K.M. Panikkar known as Sardar K. M. Panikkar 117.230.48.9 (talk) 11:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

G

H 117.254.33.70 (talk) 11:44, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Dissemination

It is good 2409:4050:E1B:D6AD:9A5A:50:8CE8:D446 (talk) 08:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Tell some points about akshoka dharama chakra in hindi

Tell some points about akshoka dharama chakra in hindi 122.173.214.73 (talk) 09:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for point out, but this is english wikipedia, please read in hindi here fore details about ashok chakra in hindi. — B203GTB • (talk) • 17:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Repeated unnecessary additions

This article is a summary of information of the flag, not the flag manual. Please avoid unnecessary clutter such as construction sheets etc. —SpacemanSpiff 07:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

they why flag pages of turkey, hong kong, canada, uae , saudi arabia, pakistan etc. contain construction sheet. Wikipedia is not dictionary, its encyclopedia. Vikassinghhhh (talk) 14:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

add brazil and united kingdom also Vikassinghhhh (talk) 14:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Suraiyya thaiyyabji

The final design was made by suraiyya thaiyyabji 176.45.30.39 (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Social science

Tricolour 2409:4065:E12:3C03:252A:70D6:C5D3:5609 (talk) 15:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC) Bold text

Tiranga

The Indian National flag is a symbol of national pride for the entire nation 2409:4050:2EB2:DC43:0:0:2DCA:4209 (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

In 2002, on hearing an appeal from a private citizen, Naveen Jindal, the Supreme Court of India directed the Government of India to amend the code to allow flag usage by private citizens not only on the Independence day and the Republic Day, but also on all the days of the year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.70.7 (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

'not only on the Independence day and the Republic Day, but also on all the days of the year. 'Bold 117.195.70.7 (talk) 09:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

The national flag

The national flag of India, colloquially called the Tricolour, is a horizontal rectangular tricolour flag of India saffron, white and India green; with the Ashoka Chakra, a 24-spoke wheel, in navy blue at its centre.[1][2] It was adopted in its present form during a meeting of the Constituent Assembly held on 22 July 1947, and it became the official flag of the Dominion of India on 15 August 1947. The flag was subsequently retained as that of the Republic of India. In India, the term "tricolour" almost always refers to the Indian national flag. The flag is based on the Swaraj flag, a flag of the Indian National Congress designed by Pingali Venkayya.[N 1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:C8E5:5778:91B9:5F58:8141:34D2 (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Indian flag

Indian flag 103.132.1.41 (talk) 01:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2022

"The flag is based on the Swaraj flag, a flag of the Indian National Congress designed by Pingali Venkayya.[N 1]" to "The flag is based on the Swaraj flag, a flag of the Indian National Congress designed by Pingali Venkayya.[N 1] The current Indian Tricolor flag is designed by Surayya Tyabji."

So that, when this information is taken for some projects, the information taken will be correct, and no one will misunderstand the concept...

I would like to see my suggestion get implemented, and thanks for taking time to read it. Musab Muhammed (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi just wanted to provide multiple reliable sources for the edit request (I did not request the initial edit)

News articles from reliable news sources (just a few)

https://www.timesnownews.com/exclusive/pingali-venkayya-designed-the-tricolour-but-one-woman-also-contributed-who-is-surayya-tyabji-article-93536753 https://thewire.in/history/india-national-flag-emblem-suraiya-badruddin-tyabji (first hand rendition of events from the daughter of Surayya Tyabji). https://thelogicalindian.com/history/surayya-tyabji-indian-flag-34816

From the book The Last Days of the Raj by Trevor Royle

The Last Days of The Raj: “Originally the tricolour was to have contained the spinning wheel symbol (charkha) used by Gandhi but this was a party symbol, which Tyabji thought might strike the wrong note. After much persuasion Gandhi agreed to the wheel because the Emperor Ashoka was venerated by Hindu and Muslim alike. The flag which flew on Nehru’s car that night had been specifically made by Tyabji’s wife”.

Verified twitter handles of the offices of the Indian Government posting regarding the authenticity

https://twitter.com/DFS_India/status/1558438647833145347 https://twitter.com/AAI_Official/status/1557955414880571393 https://twitter.com/SteelMinIndia/status/1556557127455748096

Image of the actual Constituent Assembly of India document shared by Prime Minister Narendra Modi (Tyabji's name stated as In attendance)

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1550315398259961856

Hence, the edit should mention that Surayya Tyabji contributed to the addition of the Ashoka Chakra, given this, it can be considered a major addition. It was verified by Gandhi and subsequently approved. The government of India has officially stated they possess no physical evidence regarding who designed the flag of India, the documents of the constituent assembly are all that remain and the first person renditions of members of the constituent assembly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:E280:3DB6:16:AC9F:A4AD:65E6:16A6 (talk) 06:58, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

FA concerns

Hi everyone, in October 2021, Bumbubookworm expressed concerns about this article's adhearance to the FA criteria, particularly uncited statements and a lack of comprehensiveness. Since then, an update needed banner has been added to the "Manufacturing process" section. I agree with these concerns. Is anyone interested in addressing these, or should this article be sent to WP:FAR? Z1720 (talk) 15:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Largest Human Flag of India? an awkward title?

@Hog Farm Came here hopping from WT:INB. You seem to be working on FAR issues. In see also, I came across title Largest Human Flag of India, IMHO literal reading of which seems a little awkward. Word 'largest' is not needed in the title. Rather than 'Human Flag of India' whether 'Human formation of Flag of India' would be better.

More over that seems to be single event then, how about a merge proposal.

Bookku (talk) 07:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Bookku: - Unfortunately, I'm not going to be of much help there. I'm utterly unfamiliar with Indian sources, and I can only really speak American English, so syntax work at an Indian English article is not going to be something I'm confident at. Hog Farm _Talk 13:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

The peace sign flag

I hate to do it, but I have to bring this up. The file File:1921 India flag.svg, visible at right, is almost certainly a modern re-creation with at least one glaring inaccuracy compared to the original. I believe the creator of the file we're showing may have subtly slipped in a peace sign, an obvious anachronism because the peace sign wasnt invented until decades later, and hoped that we would be amused at the happy coincidence that a well known pacifist used the peace sign on his flag in 1921, and maybe even wonder if the modern origin was not in fact the real origin.

However it seems plain that the original design of the flag included a solid object and with many more spokes than the peace-sign design. There may not have been a well-made original design, since pictures seem to have considerable variations, for example in which way the design faces, and even in the layer order of the colors, but I think our design is far out of the realm of the others. And I suspect that to our modern eyes, we see the peace sign first and may not even recognize the rest of the design as being a single object. Therefore I don't think we should keep this image on the page unless we clarify that it is not true to the original.

Should we make another flag? I dont know, and I will hold my comments on this because I've never been good with SVG work and I can't really "volunteer" to fix it if I'm going to make someone else do the work. So this is all I will say for now. Thank you, —Soap— 09:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

English, Marathi

Marathi, English language along with the same time as well so happy to help me with my favourite sister nilaya mother father grandfather friend who help me 45.250.46.50 (talk) 14:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Many companies that make flags generally manufacture a flag of India

What this article says about how the flag of India is manufactured by only one company, in India, and how it is never made out of any type of cloth but one, is totally false. If you want to purchase a flag of India, google for it, and you'll find companies that can sell one to you. You can specify a nylon flag. The flag of India seems to be manufactured and sold by any company anywhere in the world that makes flags of countries generally.2600:8804:8C40:31:A96E:701F:F0C4:C65B (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson

Thanks for bringing this up. For now I have tweaked the sentence that was, as indicated by your comment and the last paragraph in the section, outdated. Is there any other concrete change that you'd suggest (ie, apart from rewriting the section to de-emphasize the details that are no longer applicable)? Abecedare (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Construction sheets colors

The colors for both the flag and the Ashoka Chakra are incorrect. Pinging uploader @MapGrid for more info — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2023

Historian Trevor Royle wrote in his book The Last Days of the Raj that Badruddin Tyabji designed the final form of the current Indian national flag, the tricolour with Ashoka's Dharmachakra in the centre. Surayya Tyabji made the first copy that flew on Nehru's car on the night of independence: By one of those contradictions which run through India’s history, the national flag was designed by a Muslim, Badr-ud-Din Tyabji. Originally the tricolour was to have contained the spinning-wheel symbol (charkha) used by Gandhi but this was a party symbol, which Tyabji thought might strike the wrong note. After much persuasion Gandhi agreed to the wheel because the Emperor Ashoka was venerated by Hindu and Muslim alike. The flag which flew on Nehru’s car that night had been specially made by Tyabji’s wife."https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=b-U9AAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22By+one+of+those+contradictions+which+run+through+India%E2%80%99s+history%2C+the+national+flag+was+designed+by+a+Muslim%22 Mirjainuddin (talk) 18:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 21:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2023

2409:4065:E0C:BAC3:24E9:57FF:FEDE:78BE (talk) 11:00, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)