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False Claim by the user Dhinawda

A user with the username Dhinawda keeps reverting the true claim below and he replaces it with a false claim of which his citing source does not even contain.

The true claim about Galkayo with a reliable source of UNHCR says "The city of Galkayo is divided into two areas, separated by a distinct boundary, with the main northern portion ruled by the Puntland autonomous Government, and its southern part governed by the Galmudug State."http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4f675c5e2.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.145.230 (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Facts about Galkayo with sources

A United Nation ( UNHCR ) report about Galkayo says "The city of Galkayo is divided into two areas, separated by a distinct boundary, with the main northern portion ruled by the Puntland autonomous Government, and its southern part governed by the Galmudug State."http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4f675c5e2.pdf

There are four Subdivisions in Galkayo. Puntland state in the north controls three Subdivisions of Galkayo which are Garsoor, Israac, and Hormar while Galmudug state in the south control one Subdivision of Galkayo which is Wadajir. "Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 12. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Galkayo has four subdivisions. The three subdivisions of Galkayo under Puntland control which are Horumar, Garsoor and Israac is mainly inhabited by Darod clan while the one subdivision of Galkayo under Galmudug control which is Wadajir is mainly inhabited by Hawiye clan. The Dir (clan) , Bantus (Somalia) , Rahanweyn clan, Arab and other minor Somali clans also live in the city. "Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 16. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Puntland State University and East Africa University in Puntland. Mudug University in Galmudug

Libanguled (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016

197.156.133.205 (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC) Dear Wikipedia, The population segment is totally wrong. Galkayo has for neighborhoods. 1. Horumar 2. Israac 3. Garsoor 4. Wadajir. Horumar, Israac is dominantly inhabited by Daroods, particularly by Majeerteens. Garsoor is mixed location where Majeerteen,Lelkase(Darood) and madhibaans live together. The remaining neighborhood is Wadajir is predominantly inhabited by Hawiye tribesmen of Sa'ad subclan. Other clans live in Garsoor like Dir and Shiikhaal. The city is divided due to clan tensions. Puntland controls Horumar,Israac and Garsoor neighborhoods while Wadajir only falls on jurisdiction of Galmudug. The person who helped to write about Galkayo city is not objective and neutral.Please make research and make appropriate editing. Farah Jama, Nairobi, Kenya.

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

lying about sources

The following claim is false: The city is divided into two zones, where the main portion forms part of Galmudug state, the Suusacley (Israac) district is governed by the Puntland administration.

The sources was checked and it did not contain the claims. Please stop putting false claims on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.131.7 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 6 August 2016‎ (UTC)

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Edit warring over content

@174.21.32.153 and Mohamed958543: Please stop edit warring over the content of the page. Instead, please talk it out here and come to a consensus. If this continues, you may both be blocked. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:12, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not warring over any page

I'm not warring over any page, I was just updating the page. Few things in the page are not true so I changed as it was supposed to be, For example, Galkayo consists of 5 Neighborhoods, not 4. Wadajir, Hawlwadaag, garsoor, Horumar and Israac. as of 2017 Puntland controls parts of Garsoor, Horumar and Israac while Galmudug Controls and administrates Hawlwadaag, Wadajir, Horumar, and Garsoor. Galmudug Controls most of Horumar and Garsoor while Puntland controls Parts not even Half.

The person who wants to ruin pages is Talk to Zakariayps, who is making new accounts and got caught. for example, his accounts which got caught is Talk to Dabcasarman94, Talk to Ahmedbari, Talk to Teknick3423 and he has many more accounts. This user intends on ruining pages and likes to spread false things pages about Galmudug.

I have no intention ruining any page on Wikipedia. I only edit Articles about Galmudug as I know the state really well.

Thank you. Talk to Mohamed958543 —Preceding undated comment added 04:00, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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First of all I am not the users you are saying. Second do not replace sentences with false information. The sources are saying Puntland Controls districts of Garsoor, Horumar and Israac while Galmudug control just Wadajir district. Puntland state controls 3 districts of the city of Galkayo while Galmudug state controls 1 district of the city of Galkayo. Any person can check these sources to verify that what I am saying is the truth. "Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 12. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Please stop putting false information on wikipedia. Galmudug control only wadajir district in Galkayo as the sources are saying. 174.21.32.153 (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Stop with the false claims, the sources you've posted are outdated. Puntland Controls half of Garsoor and Horumar while Galmudug controls the other halves. You're also claiming Galkayo consists of four Neighborhoods which is false. Galkayo consists of five Neighborhoods. Israc, Wadajir, Horumar, Garsoor, Howlwadaag.

residents in horumar Galkayo helping construction workers on Galkayo-Hobyo road construction

The Mayor of Mudug for Galmudug attending a newly multi-sports complex opened in Garsoor District

As I said before, I am not putting false information on Wikipedia and I have no intention to do so in the future. Talk to Mohamed958543 04:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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 The sources I posted are not outdated because the situation on the ground has not changed after the text of the sources were written. You did not bring any English sources to prove your claims. The truth is Galmudug state control only 1 district in Galkayo and Puntland state Controls 3 districts of Galkayo. The city of Galkayo has 4 districts. This is proven by the sources I posted on the top comment. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 11:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Wrong, I asked an admin about the sources. she told me languages has nothing to do with sources since it could be translated. Your sources are outdated as I said once before. You're using sources from 2002 and 2005 which was decades ago. many have changed. I can tell you're denying the facts that Galmudug state controls more districts in Galkayo than Puntland who only controls Israac (suusacley) and few parts of Garsoor and Horumar. while Galmudug state Controls Howlwadaag, wadajir, Mostly Garoor and Horumar. You're claiming Howlwadaag district doesn't exist in Galkayo District which is false

I was only here to update this page and fix any false information but you started ruining the page since you couldn't stand the development of Galkayo in the Galmudug administrated side. You previously undid my work on this page, you tried to delete the pictures which I posted on this page to update the page since all the pictures on this page were outdated pictures from 2005-2007.

Plus my sources are reliable sources. Mudug24 is a reliable source and The National Tv Of Federal Republic of Somalia YouTube page.

Here is English source. (talk • contribs) 12:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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 Don't get confused. There is Galkayo District and there is Galkayo Town. These are different things. The english source you posted is talking about Galkayo District and not Galkayo town. Galmudug control only Wadajir neighborhood of Galkayo town.  174.24.180.188 (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

———————————————————————————————————————————————————— The source I have posted clearly is talking about Galkayo city Not the Galkayo district as it says so in the first sentence of the article. Talk to Mohamed958543 10:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________he is from cabudwaaq, right. Lmao at Galgaduud sare state. Cabudwaaq

  Galkayo consists of four neighborhoods or sections. Puntland controls 3 neighborhoods while galmudug control just 1 neighborhood. Puntland controls neighborhoods of Garsoor, Hormar and Israac while galmudug control wadajir neighborhood. "Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 12. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) These are multiple sources that prove this fact that I wrote here. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 14:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

So are you claiming wadajir, Howlwadaag, garsoor, israac, Horumar are districts? because in the article I posted it says In south Galkayo: Garsor, Wadajir, Horumar, Howlwadaag. In North Galkayo: Horumar Israac. which is referring to the city.

So Are you saying wadajir, Howlwadaag, garsoor, israac and Horumar are districts But Wadajir, Garsoor, israac, Horumar are neighborhoods while howlwadaag is just a district? Talk to Mohamed958543 11:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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  The "english source" article you posted does not even mention the word Galmudug. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 15:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

South Central Somalia is referring to Galmudug. "Galkayo is a large city divided into two parts. Part of it is in Puntland, and part of it is in South Central Somalia " It clearly says Part of "it is in Puntland, and part of it is in South Central Somalia" So what do you think that means?  (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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  I posted three sources that clearly say the city of Galkayo consists of 4 sections or neighborhoods."Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 12. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) So now you bring a source that says the city of galkayo consists of 5 neighborhoods or sections. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 15:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

The source in number 14 was made by a user named "MJ" which stands for Majerteen clan who dominates Puntland.

Answer my questions, don't act like you didn't see them. (talk) 12:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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"MJ" can mean many different things. You are just making assumption without any objective evidence.  I brought you 3 sources that say the city consists of 4 neighborhoods or sections. And you are not bringing any sources to prove your claim of saying the city consists of 5 neighborhoods or districts or sections. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 22:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

————————————— It's was written by "MJ" and "Mohamed beerdhere", MJ stands for Majerteen that is not new, Just like HG stands for Habar Gidir, AG Abgaal, OG Ogaden, etc, I am not just "making assumption" it's the truth that is what it stands for and its false information.

Again, answer my questions. Are you claiming wadajir, Howlwadaag, garsoor, israac, Horumar are districts? because in the article I posted it says In south Galkayo: Garsor, Wadajir, Horumar, Howlwadaag. In North Galkayo: Horumar Israac. which is referring to the city.

So Are you saying wadajir, Howlwadaag, garsoor, israac and Horumar are districts But Wadajir, Garsoor, israac, Horumar are neighborhoods while howlwadaag is just a district? (talk) 2:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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 Your source is talking about Galkayo Distrist and not Galkayo City. Here is a direct quote form your source "The SMS Feedback Team visited and introduced the SMS Feedback System to all 20 communities in Galka’yo district. In South Galk’ayo they visited: Garsor, Wadajir, Horumar, Howlwadaag, Midnimo, Bandiiradley, Arfuuda, Dagaari, Saddeh-Higlo and Galinsoor. In North Galkayo: Horumar 1, Horumar 2, Israac 1, Israac 2, Israac 3, Israac 4, and Israac 5."
  

Don't get confused there is a Galkayo City and there is a Galkayo District. They are completely different things. 174.24.180.188 (talk) 07:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

————————————————————— Galkayo had four neighborhoods before the collapse of central government in Somalia After the collapse of the central government, Galmudug state added 1 more neighborhood to Galkayo city which is Howlwadaag. as for the other neighborhoods in Galkayo, Garsoor is shared between Puntland and Galmudug, Horumar is mostly controlled by Galmudug and Puntland controls some parties of the neighborhood. while Howlwadaag, Wadajir and Israac are not shared between the two states. (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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  You are wrong. Galmudug does not control Horumar, and Garsoor neighborhoods. Puntland Controls Horumar and Garsoor neighborhoods.    "Safety and security District baseline report -" (PDF). page 12. Observatory of Conflict and Violence Prevention (OCVP). {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) 174.21.116.65 (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Galmudug does control half of garsoor and most of horumar while Puntland controls parts of horumar. I have provided reliable sources which can be translated from Somali to English.

here is another source. Galmudug's presidential palace being constructed in horumar when Galkayo was the capital city of Galmudug state.

Here is the mayor of Galkayo Hirsi Yusuf Barre appointing chairmen for the 4 neighborhoods controlled by galmudug.

"Galmudug state has appointed chairmen for the four neighborhoods it controls since its establishment as a state, a decree from the mayor of Galkayo Hersi Yusuf Barre appointed those chairmen 1) Aweys Sheikh Ahmed Jama chairman of Howlwadaag neighborhood. 2)Ahmed hashi Omar chairman of Horumar neighborhood. 3)Abdikadi Abdi karim Mohamod Chairman of Wadajir Neighborhood. 4)Mustaf Mohamed Share Chairman of Garsoor neighborhood" (talk) 6:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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We have English sources already that can be verified easily for this article. Those english sources are saying Galmudug does not control hormar and garsoor neighborhoods and puntland controls hormar and garsoor neighborhoods. English sources is better suited for this English Wikipedia article(talk) 6:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC). Those somali language sources you provided could be biased since Galkayo is contested city. 174.21.116.65 (talk) 12:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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All your sources are false and outdated as I have confirmed it already. plus the source you have just posted does not say anything but galmudug controls south Galkayo and Puntland controls north Galkayo.

As I have told you once before I have asked an Admin about the source languages and the admin told me the source can be translated with no problem and you shouldn't worry about it because it will be unfair for most of the users if not.

as for Garsoor and horumar, Galmudug Controls the south side of Garsoor while Puntland controls the north side and Horumar is mostly controlled by Galmudug while puntland controls the other part. (talk) 2:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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  The sources I posted are reliable sources because they were from UN organizations such as ReliefWeb and reputable news sources such as Intelligencebriefs  . Your sources are not creditable sources  plus they are biased sources. The sources I posted are not outdated because they were posted recent dates such as November 28, 2015, 6 May, 2015, 18 June 2002, and 07 Oct 2010.  174.21.116.65 (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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The article you have posted is created by a Nigerian misinformed author. he uses the term "Barahley" which is an insult used by People from Israac to refer wadajir as "Baraxley". Israc is more widely known as Suusacley in galkayo. also, it's not the first time Puntland misinformed people. They misinformed AFRICOM where they killed 22 members of Galmudug security force on an air streak back in September 2016 where AFRICOM had to apologize and told Galmudug they were misinformed by Puntland.

as for your other sources, 18 June 2002 is not recent. the other source you have posted is a long pdf where it doesn't even mention a single neighborhood but the conflict in Galkayo. at the end of the day, Wikipedia doesn't change anything in reality other than misinform people. (talk) 6:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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The sources I posted is more reliable because they are from UN Organizations and they are not biased because the UN organizations are impartial. The Somali language sources you posted are biased. 174.21.116.65 (talk) 00:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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The only UN source you have posted that mention the neighborhoods is a source from July 2002, four years before Galmudug was established. The Somali sources I have posted is the most reliable Somali sources on the web and mudug regions of Somalia.

as for the neighborhood section of the page, we don't have to include who controls what neighborhood, Just put the neighborhoods and that is it. If someone goes to Galkayo they can literally ask anyone and they would get the answer, But let's not include misinforming information in the page. (talk) 6:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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The somali language websites you posted are biased and they support Galmudug propaganda. The UN sources are impartial. It is more important for the readers to know which neighborhoods are controlled by which administration. It makes the article more informative. Lets go by the UN source since it is not biased. The UN source says Puntland controls Garsoor, Horumar and Israac. This source was written 06 May 2015

174.21.116.65 (talk) 11:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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You don't even know Galkayo and I bet you never been there. Literally, If you knew Galkayo by now you would have known Horumar district is 80% Hawiye district, Sa'ad sub clan of Habar Gidir Hawiye and Sheekhaal who are Politically aligned with Hawiye who are also part of Galmudug state power-sharing. who is also referred as "Martileh" hiraab meaning visitor of Hiraab, they're politically Hawiye and have clan protection under Hiraab sub clan of Hawiye and intermarry with Hiraab clan.

As for the other part of Horumar district, it's populated by Lailkase sub clan of Darood who are under Puntland.

As for Garsoor district, it's populated by Lailkase sub-clan of Darood, Saleban Abdalle sub-clan of Dir who have a share in Galmudug power-sharing, Sa'ad sub-clan of Habar Gdir and Majerteen sub-clan of Darood.

Wadajir and Howlwadaag are respectively Habar Gidir Districts.

Israc also known as Suusacley in Galkayo is respectively Majerteen district.

The UN source you've posted from 2015 is referring to northern parts of Garsoor and Horumar as they're located in the lower parts of the districts while the south parts of the districts are located in high ground, "In addition, some of the access roads into the town were damaged. The most affected areas are Horumar, Garsoor and Israac as they are located in the low lying areas of the town"

The Somali sources I have posted are mudug based news websites, they report on both Puntland parts of mudug and Galmudug Controlled part of Mudug. and are not "biased" as you're claiming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohamed958543 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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The 2015 UN source I posted are talking about Garsoor and Horumar neighborhoods as a whole they are controlled by Puntland Sate. The somali language sources you posted are biased because I speak the Somali Language.

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No, they're Not Biased, You can read Somali then what does it say other than "People in howlwadaag helped construction workers on the road that is being constructed in Howlwadaag galkayo district that is for Galkayo to hobyo road"?

the UN "Source" you have posted, that is from July 2002 is referring Garsoor and Horumar as Puntland because Sheekhaal and Dir who lives in Garsoor and Horumar were not part of Galmudug, those two clans who inhabit in large parts of Garsoor and Horumar joined galmudug in 2015 as an federal state and were giving part of the power-sharing in Galmudug. the source from 2015 is referring northern parts of Garsoor and Horumar as they're located in the lower parts of the districts while the southern parts of the districts are located on a higher ground, "In addition, some of the access roads into the town were damaged. The most affected areas are Horumar, Garsoor and Israac as they are located in the low lying areas of the town"(talk) 9:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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The UN source is not saying puntland controls parts of garsoor and hormar neighborhoods. Please do not lie about what the UN source is saying. Puntland controls the neighborhoods of Garsoor, Israac and Horumar as the UN source is saying. The somali langauge you posted are from biased sources I can see it. 174.21.116.65 (talk) 13:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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It's referring to Northern parts of garsoor and Horumar as they're located in the lower parts of garsoor and Horumar.

here is a list of Galmudug MPs elected from every region of Galmudug . Sheekhaal clan gets 4 MPs elected from galkayo (Horumar) and {dir] clan 2 MPs from galkayo (Garsoor) those two clans were not part of galmudug power sharing before 2015 and they control large parts of garsoor and Horumar (Southern parts). galmudug was Sa'ad government from 2006 to 2015 that is why Galmudug was referred as controlling one neighborhood of Galkayo but now since Sheekhaal and Dir Clans joined galmudug from 2015, galmudug controls southern halves of Garsoor and Horumar plus Howlwadaag which is a new district of Galkayo controlled by galmudug.

If those clans had MPs in Puntland from Galkayo then nobody would've stopped you from claiming garsoor and Horumar in whole but sadly they have no power-sharing in puntland state

Stop claiming districts you don't own on online websites thank you.(talk) 9:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Do you have any evidence that those clans live in northern garsoor and horumar neighborhoods? 174.21.116.65 (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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Sheekhaal got 4 MPs from Galkayo (Horumar} district and Surre sub-clan of Dir got 2 MPs from Galkayo (garsoor), carab salax sub-clan of mehri got 1 MP from Galkayo (garsoor) as they live in garsoor district, Madhiban who also live in Galkayo (Howlwadaag) got 1 MP in Galkayo, Sa'ad got 3 MPs from howlwadaag and Wadajir. it was supposed to be 4 MPs for Sa'ad subclan of Habar Gidir hawiye, 2 for howlwadaag and 2 for wadajir but they let madhiban have 1 for howlwadaag because they felt it was unfair for them not to get one.

I said none of those clans had MPs in puntland and they all have MPs in Galmudug. Only Darood subclans have MPs in mudug region of puntland and only carab salax subclan of mehri who have 1 MP for galkayo (Israc)

Only Carab salax subclan of mehri got one Mp in Galkayo puntland which is from israac. (talk) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Bring reliable sources that say those clans you mentioned live in parts of Garsoor and Horumar neighborhoods. 174.21.116.65 (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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you can find both the lists of puntland Mps and Galmudug Mps and what clan they're from and where they're elected from. Please stop claiming districts that your state doesn't control nor your clan, thank you.(talk) 10:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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There are many UN made articles that say Puntland control 3 neighborhoods out of the 4 neighborhoods in Galkayo.The 2002 UN source is still valid because the other 2015 UN source is confirming it. These UN sources say Puntland controls Garsoor, Israac and Horumar neighborhoods.

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80% of Horumar district is populated by Sheekhaal and Sa'ad sub-clan of Habar gidir Hawiye. Sheekhaal who is Martileh Hiraab sub-clan of Hawiye meaning Visitor of Hiraab is politically aligned with Hawiye, They have clan protection under Hiraab sub-clan of Hawiye from Mogadishu to Galkayo since they live with them, intermarry with them and since they're stand alone clan. They got 4 MPs from Horumar district of Galkayo. while they have ZERO relations with Darood clan nor have any MPs from Puntland. also, Sa'ad sub-clan of Habar Gidir Hawiye clan have 1 MP from Horumar district.

Surre sub-clan of Dir brother of Hawiye as Dir and Hawiye are sons of Samaale. Surre sub-clan lives in many parts of Galmudug, they have 2 MPs from garsoor district of Galkayo as they respectively live in Garsoor.

Carab salax or Arab salah sub-clan of Mehri lives in Garsoor, they 1 Mp in galmudug elected from garsoor district of Galkayo. they also have 1 MP from puntland elected from Israc district of Galkayo.

Madhiban sub-clan of Beesha shanaad or spelled Fiveth clan, a confederation of the minority clans in Somalia. has 1 mp from howlwadaag district of galkayo as they live with Sa'ad sub-clan of habar gidir hawiye clan in that district. Sa'ad sub-clan of hawiye also have 1 MP from Howlwadaag district of galkayo, even though they're the majority of the district they let this clan have one of their mp, just to be fair.

lailkase sub-clan of Darood populates the other 20% of horumar and they have 1 MP from Puntland.

Garsoor: the puntland part (Northern part) of the district is populated by Majerten and laikase

Israc is respectively Majerten and Arab salah district (And there might be other clans who live in the district since I have never been in the district)

Wadajir is respectively Sa'ad district.

Howlwadaag is majority Sa'ad sub-clan of Habar Gidir district and madhiban also live in the district.

You're using a source from July 2002 from UN, four years before Galmudug was established.

After Galmudug was established yes and before 2015 Galmudug was referred as controlling Wadajir because Galmudug was only Sa'ad government at that time and had no Sheekhaal nor Dir.

In 2015 federal government of Somalia endorsed a new Central Regions State, following a signed agreement in Mogadishu between representatives from the Galmudug and Himan and Heeb regional administrations, as well as Ahlu Sunna Waljama'a. The formalization ceremony for the new federal state was held at the Villa Somalia presidential compound and was presided over by President of Somalia Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and Prime Minister Abdiweli Sheikh Ahmed.

Those clans who live in south Galkayo joined Galmudug or south mudug in general after 2015 central state formation endorsed by Somalia's Federgal government. (talk) 11:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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The source you posted did not say anything about sheekhaal clan living in Hormar and Garsoor neighborhoods in Galkayo. By the way the Dir clan actually live in Puntland and they will be getting parliament seats. 174.21.116.65 (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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the list of Galmudug PMs says where they were elected from and what clans. Sheekhaal nor Dir have PM seats in Puntland, you're completely false. Dir will be getting PM seats" this is not about the future and what clan is getting what this is about the present.

It does not say what district but I know galkayo really well and it says where they were elected from in the PM list and what city/town. (talk) 11:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Before I was using an IP to post and now I registered this account. This dispute is all about the use of reliable source vs unreliable source. That is it. You are using unreliable somali language article as a source. And I used a reliable UN organization article that is in english language. Faarax200 (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Third Opinion

I am a dispute resolution noticeboard and Third Opinion volunteer and am requesting a Third Opinion on the above dispute. I am not offering an opinion and am not one of the editors. DRN will wait until we see whether a Third Opinion can resolve the dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

RFC on who controls which neighborhoods

The consensus is to support Faarax200's proposed changes to use the United Nation's ReliefWeb portal as a reliable source about who controls which neighborhoods.

There was limited participation, and silence is the weakest form of consensus. If any editors disagree with the changes, there is no prejudice against opening a new discussion to revisit this.

Cunard (talk) 18:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Galkayo city consists of four neighborhoods. Puntland state controls neighborhoods of Garsoor, Horumar and Israac. . This is a reliable source because it is from UN organization of Reliefweb

Faarax200 (talk) 11:42, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - Summoned by bot. What are you asking with the RfC? Meatsgains (talk) 23:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• User_talk:Meatsgains, Currently this wikipedia article is saying puntland state controls northern part of Garsoor and Horumar neighborhoods while Galmudug state controls southern part of Garsoor and Horumar neighborhoods. This is not the truth according to the reliefWeb source so I am asking this to be changed. Also the Reliefweb says the city has four neighborhoods while this wikipedia article currently says the city has five neighborhoods. The truth is the city does not consist of 5 neighborhoods. It consists of 4 neighboods of Garsoor, Israac, Horumar and Wadajir. I am asking the article to use the reliefweb as a source because it is more reliable than the random websites that is used as source for this wikipedia article now. Faarax200 (talk) 05:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

• Spport changes (Summoned by bot) Reliefweb looks like a reliable source for this topic to me, affiliated with UN and doing it's own research. L3X1 (distænt write) 14:07, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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District vs Neighborhood

I think it is better to change the word "districts" into "neighborhoods" because it is more appropriate for consistence. I am talking about the first paragraph of the article which says "northern districts governed by the Puntland State and southern district governed by Galmudug state."

I am saying this because the article Galkayo District already exists

Faarax200 (talk) 08:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Images

Hello, the current images on this article seems unprofessional both in terms of layout and the spacing between the images. There are large white gaps in between them, i would like this article to instead use the following picture from WikiCommons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galkcity.jpg Since this article is protected, i would like the admins or the more established users to make this change. Thanks PaulGrassy3 (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 October 2017

Hello, the current images on this article seems unprofessional both in terms of layout and the spacing between the images. There are large white gaps in between them, i would like this article to instead use the following picture from WikiCommons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galkcity.jpg which was actually included in the article [1] before the unprofessional one was added in. Since this article is protected, i would like the admins or the more established users to make this change. Thanks PaulGrassy3 (talk) 15:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 15:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 October 2017

As per the concensus on the talk page in which we have established that Puntland controls 3/4 districts in Galkacyo. That makes the following sentence in the article a little inaccurate

"The city of Galkayo is divided into two administrative areas separated by a distinct boundary, with the northern districts governed by the Puntland State and southern districts governed by Galmudug state"

Given the fact that Galmudug controls only 1 district called Wadijir (as per consensus on talk page) this means that the following statement "and the southern district((s)) governed by galmudug"' which is plural implying that galmudug controls more than 1 district which isn't true as we have established here. There is only 1 district in the south, not more than one, so it should not be plural, it should be singular : Something like "and 1 district in the south governed by Galmudug" or something along those lines to indicate that Galmudug only controls 1 district or nieghbourhood which we've established.

So instead of The city of Galkayo is divided into two administrative areas separated by a distinct boundary, with the northern districts governed by the Puntland State and southern districts governed by Galmudug state

Add

The city of Galkayo is divided into two administrative areas separated by a distinct boundary, with the northern districts governed by the Puntland State and 1 southern district governed by Galmudug state

Hope this doesn't sound ambiguous, thanks PaulGrassy3 (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: I will need to see agreement among other editors before making any changes. Suggest you contact others who have contributed to this page, to see if they support the change. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Year of Population

@Bearcat: I saw your edit and comment. I understand your argument, but the only figure that is not sourced is "850,000" and the figure "75,000 to 315,000" are clearly stated in the source. Your current edit makes both figures appear to be unfounded, so please be creative in your wording. Also, I edited the year to appear without commas, but a bot took this away. -- Freetrashbox (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

The problem isn't the year 2010 in nowiki tags — it's the maintenance category that the cn template adds the article to, which is supposed to be Category:Articles with unsourced statements from November 2022, but gets comma-delimited into the nonexistent and obviously ridiculous Category:Articles with unsourced statements from November 2,022 (note the comma in the year) if the template is placed in population_total. I'll admit that it's kind of a bizarre and obscure issue that wouldn't normally occur to people as a possibility, but it's a real thing that really happens, and really does interfere with Wikipedia maintenance processes, if the citation needed template is placed directly on the number instead of in the population_footnotes field. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for reply. I understood that it was difficult to put the cn template in this position. I put reason in the cn template.--Freetrashbox (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Geographical location and adjacent communities, units

cities in the adjacency box don't match the above description or their apparent locations with a cursory look at google maps, also, is nm supposed to be nautical miles and is that the standard distance to use locally? it switches to kilometers for the further away communities. should these be standardized? Gnisacc (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)