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New Resteraunt

Hello, Gordan recently opened a resteraunt in Baltimore, MD. Can someone add that as I can not? thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoIPMakerLemons (talk • contribs) 20:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

County of birth

His county of birth is given as Renfrewshire. Because he was born before April 1974 his county of birth should be more accurately given as Renfrewshire (historic).

Guest appearances

The list of guest appearances is getting overly long. To my opinion those single events are coming close to fancruft. I propose complete removal of that section. The Banner talk 15:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. --John (talk) 18:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Irrelevant addition

To my opinion, this edit just adds trivial, irrelevant info. Of course, the other part thinks it is important enough to add.

Please opinions. The Banner talk 17:40, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Relevant because it's the demarcation line between him being in a conglomerate versus a solo career, which is how he has become successful. - NewTestLeper79 talk 17:57, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Based on a single remark in a TV-program? How many other people have gone solo already? The Banner talk 18:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• I agree with The Banner. We don't need to include everything that can be referenced, and this looks like boosterism. --John (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Television Appearances

Gordon has had an appearance on Disney Channel's "Big Hero 6: The Series" as Bolton Gramercy.

I really wish the name wasn't as dumb as it sounds, but regardless he was on it.

https://imgur.com/a/FwuyOrp

Lovemesenpai (talk) 15:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)lms

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2018

gordons hair is blonde 203.63.7.161 (talk) 09:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ChamithN (talk) 09:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2018

In this paragraph:

Eating and exercising habits

Ramsay revealed that he exercises semi-competitively for general well-being, as he has seen overweight and unfit chefs collapse or becomes unable to move quickly around the kitchen. He often competes in ironman, marathons, and triathlons. He also eats very little per 'meal', and prefers to graze throughout the day, partly due to the habit he built up as a judge, expeditor and chef and also beacuse of his busy schedule.[106][107] He also has a black belt in karate.[108]

Correct beacuse to because Kat (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  spintendo  04:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2018

188.222.42.62 (talk) 19:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Not done: No change details provided. Please read the template instructions. Tiderolls 19:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

First paragraph is quite unclear

"Ramsay grew up in Stratford-upon-Avon. His restaurants have been awarded 16 Michelin stars in total and currently hold a total of 7.[1][2][3]"

I found this sentence to be quite difficult to understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.241.74 (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2019

Gordon and his wife Tana are expectjng their 5th child again but the article makes no mention of it. See .1.136.109.192 (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC) 1.136.109.192 (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure which sources would be considered reliable for this purpose. Here are 3 others I found to increase my chances of finding one that's considered reliable:

211.27.126.189 (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Children are usually mentioned in BLP articles after they're born.  Spintendo  00:08, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the same person who posted in this thread originally, but why do I see future children being mentioned on articles which are about someone?.211.27.115.246 (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Then you should remove it from those other articles. The Banner talk 22:11, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe there are lots of them. 211.27.115.246 (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Profile photo...

Cmon, is that seriously the best photo we can use? It's ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitufo247 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Gordon Ramsay Steak

No mention of Ramsay's steakhouse in Los Vegas, opened in 2012, Gordon Ramsay Steak.

Would have added it, but editing seems to be broken on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 00:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Cielo and maze have closed

Hi this article is severely out of date. Both Maze and Cielo have closed. I found this out by doing a quick google search as I am going on a trip to NYC and was interested in perhaps looking at them. Please update this.

(talk) 05:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)wallac

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

• US Army welcomes Gordon Ramsay to Fort Irwin.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 06:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

• Kept: speedily: no valid reason for deletion ~ see here ~mitch~ (talk) 13:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Scottish or British?

I've read countless articles about British people on wiki and most use English/Scottish/Welsh and so on instead of British so wouldn't it make more sense to use it here as well? Rayansb (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

It would make sense to call them British. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 10:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Even Scottish-born could not be mentioned here. The Banner talk 11:21, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Says he was born there and raised in England right in the opening. If he had been born and brought up in Scotland there would be an argument for calling him Scottish but as he was brought up in England I can't see any valid argument to change British to Scottish. British is accurate as he was born and brought up in Britain. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 11:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Restaurants owned or operated by Ramsay

Hello - is there a valid reason why the countries in which the restaurants are located are noted for every one except those in the USA ? Consider:

• England, 14 listed and each with the country noted.
• Hong Kong, 3 listed and each with the country noted.
• UAE, 2 listed and both with the country noted.
• France, 2 listed and both with the country noted.
• Italy, 2 listed and both with the country noted.
• Ireland, 1 listed and with the country noted,
• Canada, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• Australia, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• Singapore, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• Japan, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• South Africa, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• Qatar, 1 listed and with the country noted.
• USA, 12 listed and none with the country noted.

This is puzzling, and certainly inconsistent. Could someone with editing access correct this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:9313:B900:B840:E6B:5B9F:760 (talk) 19:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Some people think the the world consists of the USA and a few other countries (Geo-POV). I have changed the section in a more neutral one by splitting the table. The Banner talk 20:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

• Good point ~ Thanks for your note ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you to you both for acknowledging my comment, and making changes to the article. I note the table still needs some tweaking as the country is still listed for each (apart for those in the USA) within the location box as well as by recently added sub-headings. Deleting the country within the individual location boxes appears the most sensible.

WP:LOL ~ Thanks again ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Work in progress...

We need to find the exact location for his to Italian restaurants. Sardinia and Tuscany are both complete regions so that does not say much. And the sources are dead. The Banner talk 12:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

That in Sardinia is Pula Cagliari [1] whilst the one in Tuscany is Siena [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:9313:B900:B840:E6B:5B9F:760 (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done The Banner talk 13:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2020

Gordon Ramsey wasnt born in Johnstone, he was born in Glasgow and I wanna edit this BenekkxD (talk) 13:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

• @BenekkxD:...what would you be using for your source for your change? (Please see WP:V, WP:BLP and WP:RS.) Tiderolls 14:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Nationality and Birth

I belive he was born in Glasgow and he isnt British, he is Scottish Realphilswift (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

He is born in Johnstone, Scotland but people tend to get upset when you call him a Scot. The Banner talk 08:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Scottish people are British. Deciding who is, and what to list them as, is another question entirely. Dannman (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Ramsay's brother

In what way is it relevant to the article that Ramsay's brother had been jailed for Heroin posession? Request to remove the information. 91.96.44.71 (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Why remove sourced information? In both articles about his brother Gordon is named too. The Banner talk 15:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2021

he has 12 michilen stars -.- Yesyesnored (talk) 15:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

It states ‘Gordon Ramsay is a British chef’ wherein ‘British’ should be changed to ‘Scottish’. 86.11.49.166 (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See discussion above ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Nationality

I belive he was born in Glasgow and he isnt British, he is Scottish Realphilswift (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

He is born in Johnstone, Scotland but people tend to get upset when you call him a Scot. The Banner talk 08:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Scottish people are British. Deciding who is, and what to list them as, is another question entirely. Dannman (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

If you search for Tom Holland on google, the wiki article will say he's an ENGLISH actor, but if you search for Gordon Ramsey, it'll say BRITISH chef. Now, why is that? because when an Englishman does something good, he's English, but when a Scot does something good, he's British.

This needs to be changed to Scottish. Doesn't matter if people get "upset", he's Scottish. Stop whitewashing

Oh, okay. We should get on that. Seasider53 (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Next Level Chef.

Next Level Chef needs to be added to the list of Chef Ramsay's T.V. programmes. - (2406:E003:E00:4E01:F9C0:F055:7492:368F (talk) 08:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

Under Life-threatening experience it says, Ramsay fell off a "85 feet high cliff", however, in the actual episode (available on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a40VeD8YxiU around the 6 minute mark) he states it's "80 meters high" and later says "250 feet". The height should be corrected. 185.44.4.207 (talk) 11:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done corrected to 85m as our currently cited source says 85m. We generally don't like to use youtube as a source, so sticking with what we have Cannolis (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

Gordon Ramsay is a Scottish chef. 109.242.232.120 (talk) 21:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Cannolis (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Controversy over his disliking of Cornish People

This entire section feels off. Simply stating he has a 'disliking' of Cornish people because of a joke, furthered by referring to these remarks as 'xenophobic', despite Cornish people being from the same country as Gordon Ramsay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.43.131.155 (talk) 04:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The editor in question who added this section is themselves guilty of making xenophobic comments about the English being “invaders” who stole “Celtic lands”, despite the English being very much descended from the pre-Roman population of Britain. They also made a comparison between the alleged anti-Cornish sentiment and the antisemitism, which is totally unacceptable.2A00:23C7:4F84:7F01:589D:92F0:8DF4:7FDA (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I advice that you do your history again. Ever heard of Angles, Saxons and Vikings as invaders? The Banner talk 13:57, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't remember denying that they were. I'm discussing ethno-nationalist irredentist clap-trap that is being pushed by a Welsh nationalist on here who believes Stonehenge is "Welsh" despite it pre-dating any notion of Welsh language or culture. And the "Anglo-Saxons" are but one group the English are descended from, and Anglo-Saxon is not synonymous with English. Celtic ethnonats are just as obnoxious as their demented English counterparts. And unlike you, I am a Celt, being predominantly descended from Scottish and Welsh peoples, with immediate relations born into poverty in what became Northern Ireland. Stop viewing England as a monolith. --2A00:23C4:3E08:4001:2D32:2A48:E944:B665 (talk) 21:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Restaurants owned or operated by Ramsay

Currently, the section headed "Restaurants owned or operated by Ramsay" links to the main article List of restaurants owned or operated by Gordon Ramsay, and then continues to feature a lengthy list in-page anyway. My opinion is that, as the separate list page is more exhaustive, and the number of restaurants operated by Ramsay looks set to increase rapidly in coming years, the in-page list should be removed, and focus should be on maintaining the separate list page. Thoughts? - Wezzo (talk) 12:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2022

Gordon Ramsey, all though Born in England, is a Scottish not British, chef 142.165.85.165 (talk) 21:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please see the discussions in the talk page archives linked to above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Scottish people are also British. —DIYeditor (talk) 06:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2023

Please change

"Gordon James Ramsay OBE (/ˈræmziː/; born 8 November 1966) is a British chef, restaurateur, television personality and writer."

To

"Gordon James Ramsay OBE (/ˈræmziː/; born 8 November 1966) is a Uk chef, restaurateur, television personality and writer."

Gordon ramsay was born in Scotland. Therefore is not a British chef. Scotland is not part of Britain. Scotland is part of the UK. 79.69.10.25 (talk) 17:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This is a whole thing. Please refer to discussions in the archives linked to in the talk page header. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Scotland is part of Britain and Scottish people are also British people. Maybe you are confusing Britain with England. —DIYeditor (talk) 06:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Change proposed to related WP article, "List of restaurants owned or operated by Gordon Ramsay"

Since 2013 there has been a separate Wikipedia article, "List of restaurants owned or operated by Gordon Ramsay": it has been used as an extension of the Gordon Ramsay article here, with an all-inclusive list of all restaurants he owns or operates now, and has had in the past, and others announced as upcoming. It includes Restaurant Name, Location (City/Region/Nation), Date Opened, Date Closed (or of when Ramsay stopped being involved), its Michelin star history, any Notes, and "Ref" (links to citations).

Now a Wikipedia editor (or perhaps admin?) has removed portions of the text at top of that article, which had been explaining info about the background of Gordon Ramsay's history (and future plans) for his restaurants. That same person has added a section to the Talk page, saying "I'm proposing we limit this list to notable restaurants." They explain that "WP isn't a directory, and that's what this list seems to have become."

Talk:List of restaurants owned or operated by Gordon Ramsay#Notable restaurants

I've given my thoughts on why I disagree with the proposal, including that it would affect this main Gordon Ramsay article, as they are related. The person doesn't agree with me. They go on to say that, "If a restaurant is notable, make an article. If a restaurant isn't notable, why list it here? My proposal is that we include notable restaurants -- that is, the restaurants that have (or clearly should have) articles."

If you have any thoughts on this matter, I encourage you to head over there and give your feedback. DiscoBookworm (talk) 01:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Right now this list is a WP:DIRECTORY. It literally includes every restaurant Ramsay has ever touched, notable or not. It include an entry for each restaurant in one of his restaurant chains, even if a particular entry isn't notable. And half of these chain entries that have an article don't look notable, the coverage seems to be mostly routine business coverage on a number of them. I'm concerned about COI. This editor has stated they are just a fan, but even a fan can have a COI.Valereee (talk) 02:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Lede image

I've been lurking on this page for a few years now, and I've noticed that there's this occasional back in forth on the lead image, every once in a while, the lede will be switched either from Commons:File:Gordon Ramsay.jpg to Commons:File:Gordon Ramsay colour Allan Warren.jpg or vice versa. For example, on June 9, @The One I Left changed the lead image from the latter to the former. So I'm having this discussion to sort of establish a clear consensus on the lede, using 5 images from commons that would be best suited to be in the infobox. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

• 
  2006 portrait, current in Wikipedia lead and Wikidata
• 
  2008 crop
• 
  2012 crop
• 
  2010 crop, lead image commonly used in place of the first
• 
  2014 crop

- Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Survey

1st is best Hello! I think the 1st image is clearly the best one. The rest each have their own problems.The One I Left (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not overly fond of any of them, to be honest. The first has him looking away from the camera and with a very odd expression, so I would be a definite "no" on that one. The second, he's also looking off camera, and there's a lot of visual clutter (parts of other heads, a green pillar looking like it's sticking out of his head, etc.) in that, but it's at least marginally better than the first. The third again has part of another head in it, and is very grainy and low-resolution, so that one's probably a "no"—I like the composition with his face straight on, but it's just too poor of quality. The fourth is very poorly lit, especially for his clothing; it looks like his head is just floating in space since his black clothing isn't really picked up in the shot and the background is extremely dark as well. Definite no. And the fifth, again, looking off camera and very low-resolution. So, I would actually go with option six: File:GordanRamsey2013Muppets.png. It's decent resolution, he's looking directly into the camera so his whole face is clearly visible, and his trademark chef jacket is shown clearly in the photo. Even that one's not perfect, but I think it's better than any of the others above. And since the whole video ([3]) is licensed CC-BY, it's also quite possible that we could extract an even better still from it to use as the primary infobox photo. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

In addition to all of your observations @Seraphimblade, all of these images are, or nearing on a decade old. Surely there must be a newer free picture of Gordon Ramsay out there somewhere? ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 00:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't find any when I searched Commons, but if you can find some, that would certainly be good as well, since all of these are indeed pretty old. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I did find this one from 2018 but it's super low quality and is a screenshot from a YouTube video. ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 03:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I went through that video, but the only time he's shown in it is on a stage and filmed from pretty far back, so cropping it down close enough to just show him would inevitably result in the quality being very poor. Good find, but unfortunately I don't think we could get anything usable from it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

{{{annotations}}}

• Comment (Summoned by bot) – It's good to get feedback, but I don't know that you need the formal structure of a 30-day Rfc; have you considered just a normal discussion? In any case, I don't know that the first one is "clearly" the best; for one thing, it looks like he just shot fireworks up out of his left ear. Two and three suffer from having other people in the image. Four and five don't have that problem. Also, don't forget that the article could have a zoomed-in version, if you wish; here's #5, zoomed in a bit and cropped. (edit conflict) Mathglot (talk) 23:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• So I'm in two minds about the image. My non-serious mind likes the first image because of the memes it's spawned over the years, but I know that's irrelevant :P. My serious mind is leaning toward image four. Just speaking for me personally, I've never liked images where the subject is looking near sideways as the main image of articles. Image three looks like it would crop terribly as well. Seraphim's issues with image four are valid, but from what we have to work with, I feel like it's the best image here. ♠JCW555 (talk)♠ 04:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1st is best, although I'm sure there's a better option out there.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1st is better than the others, and will be my !vote, but none of them are great and all have some problems. I agree that the problem with the 1st is that he has an odd facial expression and head angle, and the fire behind him blends oddly with his hair, but other than that it has a nice dark background and he's dressed in his chef outfit which helps identify who he is and what he is notable for. The 2nd image has severe contrast problems-- the background blends with the foreground too much and makes it hard to really see details, it's full of visual clutter that gets in the way. The 3rd image is blurry, and contains a cropped bit of who I presume is his wife? Or a fan he's posing with? Don't know, but cropping the middle of her face is bad, and enough for me to reject it entirely. The 4th image is a good picture of his face without any clutter, but he has a wild hairstyle that is not representative of how he is depicted in most works where he appears-- it's more of a candid shot than a representative one, unfortunately, which is why I definitely would choose the 1st over this one. The 5th image is too zoomed out, and again has the "not representative" problem. The zoomed in version of the 5th image is better in one way-- it frames his face-- but far far worse in that it's blurry. So after all that, I come back to the 1st image, facial expression, head angle, and fire clutter problems notwithstanding. I wish we had a better free image we could use, but of the images offered, this one is best for the article, primarily because it is representative of how he appears in the area that he is notable. And that's important when it comes to a lead image. Fieari (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1 or 5 - Per the above; 1 definitely appears to be technically best. 5 isn't "bad" and is obviously more recent. NickCT (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
• None of the above. Instead, I propose the following:

B E E F

In all seriousness, I prefer this nice black and white photograph:

voorts (talk/contributions) 23:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

My vote is on B E E F. SWinxy (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

• 1 All the way. ~ HAL333 17:01, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1 Ramsay is a professional chef. This picture shows that best. The Banner talk 18:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1 The others are either too blurry or don't show much of his face. Some1 (talk) 02:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
• 1 per The Banner. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 14:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2023

He ran the kitchen and 60-seat dining room at the Wickham Arms, until his sexual relationship with the owner's wife made the situation difficult. Ramsay then moved to London, where he worked...

I personally have nothing against Gordon Ramsay, but instead of hiding behind half-euphemisms (which go against MOS:EUPHEMISM) I think it would best to simplify that sentence to what it is: "...at Wickham Arms, until he left for London following an affair with the owner's wife. There, he worked..." 2603:8001:4542:28FB:D1A0:7BBB:E6CF:5C27 (talk) 06:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've rewritten as " until he quit after having sex with the owner's wife." I think the term "affair" would technically be correct, but I hesitate to use that phrasing in Wikipedia's voice when the source is primary and does not make the assertion itself. So, I opted to go more literal. —Sirdog (talk) 07:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Number of children

Gordon’s Ramsay’s 6th child has been born, yet his Wikipedia page does not yet reflect this, and still states he has 5. 2A00:23C7:CA91:6701:8147:A412:2B7F:EABA (talk) 17:32, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

It should be good now, updated with areliable source. Magitroopa (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)