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When I Come Around and She releases order

I've noticed that the "When I Come Around" single is listed to have been released after "She" on the discography page and on almost everywhere else on the Wikipedia Green Day pages. I think this is wrong and here's why:

  • First, from what I remember from those days, "She" was introduced on the radio as a late single from Dookie, maybe a month or two or three after "When I Come Around".
  • Second, if you go on the "When I Come Around" page, its release date is January 31, 1995. If you go on the "She" page, it is saying a not really precise "1995".
  • And third, on the "International Superhits!" compilation, "She" is listed after "WICA".

I thought I should discussed it here before changing it on the GD Discography page, in the Singles Infoboxes chronology and on the Green Day Template.Neon Tiger 21 (talk) 22:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

American Idiot sales!

American Idiot has not sold 22 million, its sold 14 million. If it has some how sold another 8 million in the past few months, then show your source.

141.154.127.95 (talk) 03:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC) This goes along with my case at the bottom of this page on the 65 million album sales. If you add up all the platinum sales in various countries it adds up to 23 for American idiot. But as you have noted, it has really only sold around 14. The same goes for their other albums. Platinum in the US does not equal platinum in the UK, Australia, the North Pole etc.

According to Billboard.biz

According to www.billboard.biz, the following non-American Idiot singles hit the adult top 40: "Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)", "Warning", "Minority", "When I Come Around" Hot 100 Airplay: "Hitchin' A Ride", "Walking Contradiction", "Brain Stew/Jaded", "Geek Stink Breath", "J.A.R.", "When I Come Around", "She", "Basketcase", "Welcome To Paradise", "Longview" The songs "When I Come Around", "Brain Stew/Jaded" and "Time Of Your Life" all hit the top 40. thank you Doc Strange 14:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Song Positions

There seems to be some incorrect information in the "Charted Singles" section which keeps appearing. Can we cite some sources? 210.50.189.54 04:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I just did, above. When i was young, on the Top 40 Show (I think it was Kasey's Top 40, before he returned to American Top 40), i did indeed hear "When I Come Around", "Brain Stew/Jaded" and "Good Riddance". Also look on those songs' Wikipedia pages. They should tell you when they hit the top 40 if all all. Also www.billboard.biz. Doc Strange 13:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Information on the Song Posistion sources

I just got some more information: I'm pretty sure of myself that the band's only Top 100 success came from American Idiot. What the Wikipedia sites for the singles say:

Meanwhile, at www.billboard.biz, i clicked on the "charts" tab, selected singles & tracks, and at the second of the bars on the page put "Green Day" in for "artist". Here's what it came up with: unfortantly, i was not a member of the site, so i could not click on the dates. I'm not including the songs from "American Idiot" or "The Saints Are Coming"

  • Adult Top 40 - 4/14/2001 - "Warning"
  • Adult Top 40 - 1/27/2001 - "Minority"
  • Adult Top 40 - 1/30/1999 - "Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance)"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 11/28/1998 - "Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance)"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 11/29/1997 - "Hitchin' A Ride"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 7/27/1996 - "Walking Contradiction"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 4/27/1996 - "Brain Stew/Jaded"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 12/02/1995 - "Geek Stink Breath"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 10/7/1995 - "J.A.R."
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 9/9/1995 - "When I Come Around"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 8/12/1995 - "She"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 4/1/1995 - "Basket Case"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 12/3/1994 - "Welcome To Paradise"
  • Hot 100 Airplay - 9/17/1994 - "Longview"

I Think you get the picture Doc Strange 13:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


Full Airplay Information

Ok, Billboard.biz has given an open house week. Here are the peak posistions for the songs above for Top 100 Airplay

  • "She" peaked at #41
  • "Longview" peaked at #36
  • "Basketcase" peaked at #26
  • "When I Come Around" peaked at #10
  • "Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance)" peaked at #11
  • "Welcome To Paradise" peaked at #57
  • "Geek Stink Breath" peaked at #27
  • "Hitchin' A Ride" peaked at #59
  • "J.A.R." peaked at #22
  • "Brain Stew/Jaded" peaked at #35
  • "Walking Contradiction" peaked at #70

Doc Strange 16:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Single Covers in the Singles Listings

I don't think the single covers should be used for the table...It kind of takes a lot of space. Maplejet 12:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Transmissions

last week Green day released a new album named transmissions. i have since discovered that it is a compilation of old songs. After adding it to the discography, why has it been taken off? for proof, have a look on hmv.co.uk, pl;ay.com or amazon.co.uk among other websites. This may possibly be a UK exclusive

American Idiot Sales?

The sales of American Idiot on this page are 22 million worldwide which outsells Dookie on 20 million. However, Dookie is claimed on its own Wikipedia page to be Green Day's biggest commercial success and American Idiot's own Wikipedia page says it has sold less than fifteen million. Can someone please clear this up? Thank you Masier (talk) 14:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


Sales Numbers

I am quite skeptical about several of the sales totals posted on this page; sources need to be added. 22 million for American Idiot? I don't think so. Jacknife737 (talk) 05:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I was the one that changed the page into what seems to be the newest way to sort a discography from what it was (boxes will all the information uncategorized). I was skeptical about a lot of the information too, and it is possible that I started to change the page right after it was vandalized or something. Fezmar9 (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


Brain Stew and Jaded

Brain Stew and Jaded are two diffrent tracks and should be listed as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.119.136 (talk) 22:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

  • They were actually released as one track on the single, so they are being listed as one song.--99.179.75.218 (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Page redesign - too much?

I recently redesigned most of the page with more charting information from more countries, and combined all certifications into one column. This was a TON of new information, and probably not all is necessary. I wanted to add it all, then discuss what countries (if any) should be removed from the charts. The information should all be correct - if anyone was interested in double checking, that would be great. And any other general concerns with the page should be discussed as well. Fezmar9 (talk) 06:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Airplay

I noticed someone had put "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" reached No. 1 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. This is incorrect, it only reached No. 3 [1]. We really need to crack down on citing the singles charts, as that is the only major chart left uncited.--99.179.75.218 (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

We? lol.. I did it all myself. It's done now, all albums and singles charts are correctly cited, verified and up to date. Except the Polish and Czech charts which someone just added, which i believe are incomplete and not necessary, since we already have a lot of charts and well, Poland and Czech aren't as notable as others. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 06:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Please point me to rule which differ charts for notable and not notable, I don't think that adding CZE and POL charts was against guidelines. This is information no worse than other charts, and meets notability criteria. Moreover You put no reason next to actual edit. "i belive are incomplete" is not a reason to remove data... there are references and You can check it Yourself in case of any doubt. --Chaosu¹ (talk) 18:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, just noticed it wasn't You (Kiac) but (Giusex27sc) who removed my addition. Anyway, please point me where it says I shouldn't add these charts. It took me a while to get it done and I'm very disappointed now, also I don't want my other additions removed just because sales in my country are low : ( --Chaosu¹ (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
One of them had only one album that had charted, i had not checked the source yet and thought it was possible it wasn't complete - for example, people add the current top 50 as a source all the time, thus only putting one of five albums that have charted in the country on wikipedia (incomplete). If I had removed it, my grounds would have been that there is already too many charts in the tables (generally only 10 are accepted), and well, it basically comes down to the size of the music market in each country and the reliability of sources. Coming here and adding your own country's chart, especially to a popular page such as this, can be problematic because of the conflict of interest, i understand you'd like the representation, but simply if someone else removes it then you have to argue your reasoning and it just gets all messed up. Oh and I did every single other chart here, so you can imagine how long it took me :) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Fine, then I am going to remove few columns too, 18 is much over 10. Also, the funny part of that page is that it suggest charts where band had relative succes. Isn't it against guidelines, like putting only good reviews? Now I understand what conflict of interest You meant. --Chaosu¹ (talk) 10:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
HAHA! I am of the exact same opinion! That is why it is a 'guideline' page and not a 'policy' page. It's actually original research with a hint of bias point of view, I agree. But what is the point in putting UK in a table if nothing ever charted there? It's a hard one to manage. I hope you are not removing other charts as a form of revenge or anything (lol?), they are fine the way they are now and this issue should probably be sorted out through consensus (thus why i didn't rmeove your additions). Sometimes, with more successful acts such as Green Day exceptions may be made. Don't go jumping the gun. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 11:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Answer me one question. Why did You put 18 charts while there was limit of 10 suggested? Don't You think it's crossing the line? I'm not jumping the gun, I just don't want to be threated in special way, where I have to obey few rules that You don't have to. --Chaosu¹ (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
As I said, they're not rules - they are guidelines. There is lenience offered. I only referenced, updated and verified the charts which were already there (they had no sources and a lot were incorrect). Nevertheless, if we do call in other opinions - I very much doubt Poland or Czechoslovakia will be included. And it was not meant as a threat, more a "lets work this out before removing material out of personal opinion". k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, hope You're happy with 'relative' good look of Your Green Day discography page. I'll just stick to album pages, where those guidelines do not apply. BTW, Czechoslovakia was split into Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1992. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaosu¹ (talk • contribs) 13:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
lol what's up with all this fighting? or whatever it is? come on, this is just a chart table. figure out something and move on, or, unless, im already saying this after uve moved on. ha. and k.i.a.c., there's an "m" after the word "Green Day" in one of your messages :| I think that since you're a main discography....checking....person you should fix that or it would be disrespectful to Green Day fans ;). Ha jk. ~Zzguitar14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.69.53 (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
My apologies! lol :) It's called discussion mate, he cut a low blow at the end there though... damn patriots always getting touchy. Surprised I didn't get called racist tbh, its happened before. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Airplay (Again...)

Wikipedia policy states that the Billboard Hot 100 or Pop 100 are to be used as the primary source of charting. However, it also states that if a song didn't chart on the Hot 100 or Pop 100, the Hot 100 Airplay chart can and should be used. (See Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts/U.S._Billboard_chart_inclusion)

I am constantly reverted this article and placing the Air chart back into it. Someone keeps replacing it was the Pop 100. There are several problems with this. First, the Pop 100 was created in 2005, so only a small amount of Green Day's singles will be featured, secondly, Reprise (Green Day's label) neglected to issue commercial singles. In order to show Green Day's success, the Hot 100 Air is vital. With in these boundries, I feel that my decision to keep the Hot 100 Airplay chart as opposed to the Pop 100 is valid and should be used.--76.246.176.32 (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

A reply has been posted at the above editor's talk page, click here: User talk:76.246.176.32. It explains why we should not be using an Airplay chart, if you cannot comprehend that explaination, then either go to other methods to understand, if you revert it again, i will be taking action towards getting you blocked. I should not have to revert something 5 times to prove myself. Thank you. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 06:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I kind of actually agree....The Pop 100, despite coming out in 2005, still sorta existed before that too as the Top 40 Tracks. Maybe you could feel happier and add that if u want, and add a little note at the end of the singles discography. Adding something such as "Hot 100 Airplay", me not knowing Wikipedia's "policy", sounds a little bit like....well, you see, there are soo many Billboard charts out there, that you should really just add the general ones....and adding something such as "Airplay" charts just doesn't really fit in as much. But, I do feel that someone should not be blocked just because they think something is right. Just my opinion. ~Zzguitar14

Show your math: 65 million?!

The only way you guys got 65 million is if you assumed a platinum album in the UK or other countries is also 1 million albums sold. The other countries don't go by the RIAA..platinum in the UK is 300,000 sales for example.

There's no other way you'd get 65 million. And honestly, how would they sell 23 million in the US and then 42 elsewhere? Theyre a band from the US, theres no way they sell almost twice as much outside the US. I thought since it was pointed out at the top of the discography page, someone else would notice.

They have sold around 40 million more likely.

Unless youre doing some kind of album sales ratio thingy, since the US has like 5 or 6 times the population of the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.127.95 (talk) 03:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Read: [2] There is many sources that seem to state 65 mil, this was the most official one i found.. feel free to find a more reliable source stating the 40 mil figure. Wikipedia is not about guessing, or estimating things, you need to cite published information, which is what was done here. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 05:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

141.154.127.95 (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)I just added up all the platinum and diamond (which is equivalent to 10x platinum) sales on the page and it comes to 64 million. I didnt count the golds, but im sure when added it comes to 65 or 66 million. So tell me how any of this adds up to 65 million album sales. As I stated platinum in the US (1,000,000 sales) does not equal platinum in the UK (300,000) or platinum in australia (70,000). If i add up all the "platinums" American Idiot has sold for example (6+6+6+5), it comes to "23." This album has not sold 23 million copies, but actually around 14 or 15 million. 23 Platinum certifications in various countries doesnt equal 23,000,000 in sales.

As of right now the page states 21st Century Breakdown has gone platinum in Australia. That doesnt count as 1,000,000 in sales for that country. Im sure people will say green day has now sold 66 million albums just because of the word platinum. These other countries have nowhere near the population of the United States. How could they possibly match in sales. With over 300 million people in the US and over 60 million in the UK, the certifications obviously won't be the same.

Those figures are taken from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_recording_sales_certifications.

It's a matter of doing the math, not counting the number of platinum certifications and giving that a value of 1 million. They spelled the drummers name wrong in that too. Where is their information from? Im using the math and showing how 64 platinum certs doesnt equal 65 million. I dont get why im the only one to point this out. The numbers come nowhere near 65 million when added correctly. 3x platinum in the UK isnt even equal to 1x platinum in the US. And 10x platinum in Australia isnt even equal to 1x platinum in the US. Either the wiki article I posted is wrong, or I'm missing something very important

And as i also said, how can a band sell 23 million in the US, but nearly double that in other parts of the world? It doesnt make sense. If it was equal maybe, but this isnt the beatles, they are from California. They arent going to sell 42 or 43 million in the UK, Australia and Canada which have nowhere near the population of the US. And to somehow double that 23 million figure is ridiculous.

For example, Dookie has gone diamond (10x plat) in the US. Which is 10 million in a country with 300,000,000 or so. It has also gone diamond in Canada, which for them is 800,000 sales..NOT TEN MILLION. Canada has a population of around 30 million. Am I really being led to believe 1/3 of canada owns Dookie? Please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.127.95 (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

What you are talking about constitutes as original research. We have a source that says 65 million as kiac pointed out, so there is no discussion to be had unless you have found another source that provides an alternative figure. I don't think you fully understand sales and certifications either. If an album in the US has been certified platinum, that means it has moved more than one million units and not exactly one million. A certification is just an official and prestigious way of saying it passed the one million mark. It is entirely possible that a certified platinum album could have sold 1,900,000 albums which is closer to two million – it is also possible (though unlikely) for an album to have sold three million copies and not be officially certified by the RIAA. Album sales are not based on certifications, it's quite the opposite actually. Also, wikipedia is not an exhaustive source. What you see here is not a complete list of all certifications from all countries, so of course by "doing the math" your number will come up short. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

151.203.254.68 (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC) Many good points there. But it's too convenient that I count 64 platinum certs and a couple golds and Green day just happens to have sold 65 or 66 million. Like I said those other countries are not even close to the population of the US. 10 platinums in Canada doesn't even equal ONE platinum in the US. That source spelled the drummers name wrong by the way. Not sure if that matters haha (just screwing around). Also when do bands ever double their United States sales in other countries unless they're from a country outside the US? Metallica's US sales are much higher than in other countries, for example.

You're right, but that's what it says, so that's what we stick with. It's not up to us to investigate tbh. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

21 Guns charting information

Where's the proof that 21 Guns charted on the Bubbling Under Hot 100? The chart positions 11-25 on the chart are not available to the public on billboard.com without paying, so how can we know for sure? Zzguitar14 (talk) 01:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

101-125 are on Billboard as far as I know. Here is the source [3] and it's now added. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok that will definitely do. Thank you 24.112.69.53 (talk) 07:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, guys, you might want to check and see if 21 Guns charted on any foreign countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) because I checked the Canadian Hot 100 51-100 on the billboard listing and 21 Guns was at #81 so I am going to add that (unlike some people I know how to update and fix charts haha) so yeah, just to let you know. You can check to make sure.

The Saints Are Coming on the Pop 100?

When I was looking at the chart positions with the Saints Are Coming, I noticed that it said that it didn't chart on the Pop 100. However, on the article of The Saints Are Coming, in the 'U2 and Green Day cover' section or whatever, it says that the song charted at #40 on the Pop 100. Who is right here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.32.229.127 (talk) 23:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Neither the Billboard charts pages for Green Day or U2 state that it charted in the Pop 100. So we can only assume that this other source you speak of, is incorrect. Always cross-check references when viewing charts on Wikipedia, jerks add incorrect info fairly often. There is no sources on that page and this page was full referenced not too long ago, so it's accurate :) k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 10:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Airplay (a third time)

I figure I'd name it that just for fun. But seriously, I read that, well, earlier, that "if a song fails to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 but charts on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay, it may be replaced with the Hot 100 Airplay details instead."

First of all, that's not exactly what they said, but that's pretty much the basic details of it. I want you to know that, despite the fact that other songs have charted on the Hot 100, it is deceiving to think that songs that were popular on the Hot 100 Airplay such as "When I Come Around" appear to not have even charted on the Hot 100, and people might assume that When I Come Around was not popular enough/mainstream enough to be listed in that category. I think that, if this does not follow the rules, then it really sucks because of the fact that when I look at all the songs that have the little "-" in the boxes then it makes me think that those songs weren't popular enough to chart at all on the Billboard Hot 100. That takes away from Green Day's fame, and people like me would think that they didn't get songs on the mainstream pop radio until 2004/2005, which is very untrue. --72.152.70.95 (talk) 01:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Please note that the recently discontinued Pop 100 chart did not just record airplay, but also sales. The newly named Pop Songs (formerly Top 40 Mainstream) chart only records airplay. This makes it less notable and merely describes a small portion of the singles' overall success/failure. An airplay only chart is less important than others and remember we are required to show an international view for a band as big as Green Day, so having 5 or 6 US charts is just ludicrous. That statement above - "if a song fails to chart" - would be more relevant for a smaller band, say All Time Low, who are only establishing success on the charts. Green Day has had too many songs enter the actual Hot 100 for us to bother with an airplay only chart. Besides the earlier songs all top 10'ing on the rock charts easily describes their early popularity and radio appeal.
I think I will remove the Pop 100, as it covers only a very small amount of their catalogue, wheras the other 3 US charts are more wholesome. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying, and I have always believed that the Pop 100 is completely useless. However, I honestly believe that it is possible to simply add the numbers to the Hot 100 Airplay on the Hot 100 and add a note, such as [A] at the bottom and say that "songs before 2000 only charted on the Hot 100 Airplay so they are listed as such" or whatever, instead of adding a whole new chart, which, in this case, is not necessary. And with that method, you only have to have three US charts and it helps the person better with the whole thing that the Billboard Hot 100 came up with in 1998 that would've shown Green Day's charting songs in the US more clearly, which was a mistake that the Hot 100 had in the past.
That way, it makes the Hot 100 more correct if you just simply add a little note at the top of the Hot 100, due to the fact that Green Day's songs were previously uneligible to chart on the Hot 100, despite some being at least moderately popular on the Hot 100 Airplay. Just my opinion. --72.152.70.95 (talk) 10:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Last of the American Girls

When can it have its own article? The video was released today. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 08:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Like all articles, "Last of the American Girls" will have to meet the general notability guidelines with a significant amount of third-party reliable sources providing information about the song. There are also more specific guidelines for songs/singles at WP:NSONG. Fezmar9 (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Live EP's

Why aren't the Live Tracks EP and the 21 Guns Live EP listed any more? Weluvjezza (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

My opinion, those Live EPs should have an article. If Last Night on Earth: Live in Tokyo has one, the other ones should. I think I can remember 21 Guns Live EP having an article, but it looks as if it was deleted. ~ Alec scheat (talk) 04:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposal: consolidate Hot 100 Airplay in main Hot 100 section

Only beginning with the singles from Warning did Green Day singles actually begin charting on the Hot 100; in that case, in the Bubbling Under extension of the Hot 100. How about saving some column space by the Hot 100 Airplay data for the pre-1997 singles within the main Hot 100 section with explanatory footnotes just like for the Bubbling Under singles? Similarly Rage Against the Machine discography and Alice in Chains discography (both featured lists) practice that. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Foxboro hot tubs

A month back or so, i added Stop Drop and Roll!!! to the See Also, with the American Idiot broadway recording, so they could be with cigarettes and valentines. But it was reverted. Can someone explain why, it's not actually part of the article. And maybe the American Idiot broadway recordings should be up there with compilations :-| anyone? signed 213.83.125.225 (talk) 09:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

21 Guns (American Idiot Musical Cast Version)

Shouldnt there be a line for this song, it got to #10 in the Austrian chart?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedeanjones (talk • contribs) 03:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Worldwide Sales of Green Day albums

why is it that sales figures changes everyday?? sometimes it goes up and goes down.. i really want to know the total sales of each Green Day album..thanksChevron24 (talk) 05:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Music Videos.

Green Day have music videos for Jaded and Brain Stew released in 2005, and it isn't written in the Music Videos section. http://youtube.com/watch?v=UNq9gmY_Oz4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.81.4 (talk) 00:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Tables must be trimmed

Per consensus at WP:DISCOG there should be 10 columns max. I'm working on a reduced article on a subpage and would like to implement it here ASAP. If anyone has preferences about which countries should be kept, please discuss here. Otherwise I'll do it myself based upon chart performance and music market size. Thanks! - eo (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking over the article, I'd like to go with the following. Please comment: - eo (talk) 14:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Albums (studio and live): US, AUS, CAN, FRA, GER, IRL, JPN, NLD, NZ, UK
Albums (compilations): Keep as-is
Singles: US, US Alt, AUS, BEL, CAN, GER, IRL, NZ, SWE, UK
Article has been redone on a subpage and ready to implement here - any comments or suggestions? I've cut the columns down to the ones I mentioned a week ago. - eo (talk) 11:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm inserting the trimmed-down article now - no protests or alternative suggestions that I can see - please continue conversation(s) here on Talk Page if there is a desire to swap any countries out. Thanks - eo (talk) 10:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Sales

The "WW" sales are completely wrong. Platinum Certification in countries besides the US does not equal 1 million. Each country has unique certifications for Platinum, etc...And they are much less than the US.

Here are some wiki references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Recording_Industry_Association#Album_certifications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Recording_Industry_Association#Album_certifications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Phonographic_Industry#Sales_certificates


Also, they are not cited.

Prostetic Head?

It was an awesome song off nimrod, but was it really released as a single. It wasn't on international superhits......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.126.9 (talk) 03:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

It was released as a promo single, but not an official single with b-sides or whatever. I own the promo single. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Tune in Tokyo?

What about the live EP Tune in Tokyo? I know it exists because I own a copy. Can someone make a page of this record or at least list it? 221.242.248.66 (talk) 04:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I have it too. It annoys me how Wikipedia assumes that if it does not have an article, it does not exist. I will add it to the list. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Contradictory

This article contradicts itself in several places. For example, it states that Kerplunk has been certified platinum in the United States, but also says that it has sole only 753,000. If it was certified platinum in the US, it had to have sold at least 1 million copies. And it states that Warning was only certified gold in the United States, but says that it has sold 1,159,000 copes in the US. Until I know which one is correct/false, I am going to put a contradiction tag in that section. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 23:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

This sort of thing happens quite a bit with certifications worldwide. I'm not entirely sure whether this is an issue of contradiction or the issue I'm about to talk about, but anyway. You might know about it, but recording industry associations in most countries base certifications off shipments, rather than actual sales. So for a really hyped album, say Michael Jackson's posthumous album Michael, the record label shipped 3 million copies across the US, but realistically, the album only sold ~1 million, so then record labels can hype albums as having sold 3 million by requesting (in the US) the RIAA to certify the album as 3x Platinum, when in reality, the amount sold is less.
So that might be why Kerplunk! has only sold ~800,000 copies, but is certified as Platinum. It's explained more here: RIAA certification. I live in Australia, and the same thing basically goes on here. It's not widely known because it's not always the issue, but it happens. Ss112 10:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Not entirely sure if the number of sales are correct, but according to the RIAA website (http://www.riaa.com), Kerplunk was certified platinum on August 8, 2003. It can also be found on this website that Warning was certified gold on December 1, 2000. --Davidkerr88 (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh crap, accidentally saved. Should have used the sandbox, my bad. Seriously, I'm really sorry, did not mean to vandalize. Xij29y6 (talk) 01:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, this kind of thing happens a lot. Sales and shipments are independent of one another. The RIAA certifications are based on shipments, which is how many copies of an album are sent out to stores. Sales are different and are tracked by Nielsen Soundscan. Both are independent of one another. Theoretically, (although very unlikely) it's possible for a label to ship out 2 million copies of a certain album and have the album certified 2x platinum after only having sold 5 copies. Very weird, but that's the way it works. That's why the numbers seem a little screwy.--Gen. Quon (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

On the Radio

Put it in the Live albums, going to be released 29th of Jan 2012, its in iTunes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.66.155 (talk) 01:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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