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Possibly two zh interlanguage links for Hans Zimmer?

It seems that m:zh:苏聪 may be one as well (born 1957 in both articles, check; it's in the zh equivalent of the German composers category, and two of the articles in its External links refer to the Last Emperor. It's not this article that our zh link refers to, however. There may just be two articles about him on their site, not unknown, needing a merge.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 12:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC) (shouldn't be going by deduction/inference like this, so asks the question instead)

Neutral Point of View

The integrity of this entry is very questionable

This page does not adhere to the biographies of living persons guidelines. It is not written in a neutral point of view, instead reading like a press release for the composer ("Hans Zimmer really understands the overall vision of the films because the music compliments the visuals flawlessly"). "...adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated."

While I understand that the pending lawsuits should not appear here until they are settled, no mention whatsoever is made of the fact that Zimmer's music (and that of Media Ventures in general) is contraversial ("The views of critics should be represented if their views are relevant to the subject's notability and are based on reliable sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to side with the critics' material"). Attempts to try to balance out these issues in the past have been met with aggressive editing.

Swashbuckler332 13:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No spaces in paragraph beginnings!

Please, please don't put spaces in the beginnings of paragraphs and lines. It makes them look: 

like this

Which is there only for special cases (like code). Teo64x 15:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Back to previous revision

I edited the article to a previous revision, which also contains the Work Profile section, which was removed without any notes. If there are any problems with this section, they should be corrected - not the section removed. I don't see a point in removing large sections of information, especially for notable people like Zimmer and without leaving any comments. If somebody wishes to remove something, please take some time to discuss it first. Teo64x 15:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I reverted two edits: one had the summary "this section is crap" and the other had no summary (it just removed the infobox). Both edits done by anonymous users and only to this page, so -> revert until a good reason is given. The section in question needs to be checked for NPOV but certainly not deleted as "crap" Teo64x 15:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Nothing is better than this section without any sources but with many factual errors--*ABC* 13:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

From Hans-Zimmer.com, can someone add it?

The german website ONLINE FOCUS revealed that Hans ZIMMER didn't want to be nominated for the Oscars anymore. "I was 7 times nominated ; Each time, it brought my life out its balance ; call, interviews and stress. That's why i decided it was enough. From now, I forbid the Filmstudios to submit my music to the Academy."

Can't change the photo of hans zimmer

I don't know how so please someone use this photo: http://www.nndb.com/people/265/000098968/hans-zimmer-1.jpg

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.155.179.205 (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Bee Movie

Mr. Zimmer produced the score, but did not compose it. The score was composed by Rupert Gregson-Williams. The article does not accurately reflect this. Hrhadam (talk) 10:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added an "as producer" section and moved Bee movie there along with Blood+. Hopefully someone else with more knowledge will finish sorting the list out. AnmaFinotera (talk) 11:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean - Curse of the Black Pearl

The article credits Hans Zimmer as composing the score for Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl with Klaus Badelt, although the film credits only Badelt. While Zimmer may have assisted in the production, the article should not give information likely to be challenged on the grounds of verifiability. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Zimmer and Buggles

The article as a whole is lacking in citations, and the biography is also rather short. However, Zimmer did work as a session keyboard player with Ultravox and Buggles. Yes, it is him in the video, although he is pulling a face like one of the members of Kraftwerk. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, obviously he was a session keyboardist even for other electronic acts, as you can hardly see in this two vids from 1982 (read the liner notes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=channel_page&v=GmfJAtfGPTw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.96.6.119 (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

This video is of Peter Godwin singing Images of Heaven live in London in 1982. I have assumed that Hans Zimmer is the person dressed in red at the 20 second mark, although we do not see his face. A historical curiosity, so thanks for pointing this out.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Current version of article

Normally this edit would be seen as routine IP vandalism, but what it seems to be referring to is the mystery over the 2003 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (soundtrack). This is officially credited to Klaus Badelt, although Zimmer has said in a number of subsequent interviews that he wrote the themes [1]. There has also been comment over the similarity of one of the Gladiator (2000 film) themes to the He's a Pirate theme. The article does not deal with this at the moment, and perhaps it should. At the moment, some of the article looks like it has been pasted from the various official biographies of Hans Zimmer that are available online. This has been a problem for the article in the past, and the article should try to avoid this. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

"Notability" of his use of electronic and orchestral music

I think that saying this in the top intro is leading people to believe he is some kind of pioneer in the use of both styles mentioned...composers such as Jerry Goldsmith (especially) have been doing this since the 70s! I mean anyone who knows film scores knows that he is pretty much a one trick pony or rather like the Britney Spears of fim scorers, really popular but quite average. So attaching vague and thinly vield, lauding language in the page is not correct, it should be completely factual and not so vague. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 01:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The intro is not designed to give the impression that Zimmer was the first person ever to mix electronic and acoustic sounds in film scores. It is the defining feature of his scores, and the article notes this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Edits by Chasenpr

The edits made by Chasenpr here have been removed for the time being due to potential issues with WP:BLPEDIT. Chasenpr says "We are the official representatives for Hans Zimmer, available at 310.274.4400". Assuming that this is Chasen & Company: Public Relations / Marketing [2], there would be concerns about maintaining Wikipedia's policy of neutral point of view in biographies of living persons. While the subjects of biographies can remove material that is clearly inaccurate or offensive, they are discouraged from making substantial changes to the article.

Also, the image of Hans Zimmer in the infobox was changed to this one uploaded at Wikimedia Commons by Chasenpr. If this is a copyrighted image, it is likely to be deleted due to the requirement for Wikipedia to use free content as far as possible. Images of living persons in the infobox should usually be copyright free (even though this can make life difficult sometimes, as this New York Times article shows).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Expansion of article

The article has been expanded, partly to bring in some material that does not read as though it has come from a press release. It also attempts to broaden the article by bringing in a range of sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

"Reverted Edits Identified as Vandalism"

A great many edits have been reverted on this page, being labelled vandalism. Looking at the edits, it is clear some editors are assuming a destructive intents, as opposed to the assuming good faith as is stressed by the Wikipedia guidelines. One such example is the edit made on 18:58, 26 October 2009. The change identified as vandalism? Adding a score that Zimmer did not in fact play a significant role in the composition for. Is that really vandalism? No.

Unfortunately, the editor in question is a repeat offender when it comes to vandalism, and has, in my opinion, lost the "benefit of the doubt" that WP:AGF suggests. If Mr. Zimmer has indeed made even minor contributions to the scores for these films, then they should be included. However, as many of the films added by the IP have yet to be released, it's entirely possible for Mr. Zimmer's schedule to force him to step away from any support roles on these scores. Unfortunately, this particular IP's work should be treated as "suspect until proven genuine" at this point. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I see. It is still possible - though less likely in light of that - that the intent is not malignant, but rather that the user truly feels the scores should be included. Perhaps imploring them to add a section here on the talk page is the solution most conducive to productivity.
The whole section in the article of scores for which Zimmer was composer or producer has sourcing issues. Some are are uncontroversial, but others would benefit from proper sourcing before being added.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Subject Photograph

Is there a better photo that is freely usable for upload to the commons? The current photo is...inoptimal, given it suffers from red-eye and a poor angle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RadicalTwo (talk • contribs) 00:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the most common consequences of free content. Living persons cannot have a copyrighted image in the infobox. Frankly, Hans Zimmer is lucky to have an infobox picture at all, since some celebrities do not have one as no suitable image satisfying WP:NFCC could be found. This was the subject of a New York Times article.[3]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

What Website???

At the end of the article there is an external website link http://www.hanszimmer.com which is nothing but just a page with "Coming Soon" written across the title and asking visitors to visit Hans Zimmer on myspace, which is nothing more than a group! Is this providing any additional information not available or pertinent to the article???? I think the person should add it only after having any valuable information in it. Elncid (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

This is definitely Hans Zimmer's official website, see [4]. Wikipedia has no control over other people's websites, and it is a pity that the official website is not more informative. However, for the sake of completeness, it is best for Zimmer's official website to be given.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Nightmare at Noon

Hans Zimmer co-composed the music for Nightmare at Noon with Stanley Myers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.72.70 (talk) 01:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

New image

At last - a better image of Hans Zimmer. With all respect to James Newton Howard, it makes sense to crop the image, as the infobox image is for identifying Zimmer.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

"Remarkable"

"Remarkable" is given as a word to avoid in WP:PEACOCK. As it says in the WP:FIVEPILLARS:

Wikipedia has a neutral point of view. We strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view, presenting each point of view accurately and in context, and not presenting any point of view as "the truth" or "the best view". All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references. Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here. That means citing verifiable, authoritative sources, especially on controversial topics and when the subject is a living person.

Zimmer's success speaks for itself, and the article should let the sources establish his notability.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

It is a pity that the article has been semi-protected over this, but there was a deliberate attempt to WP:GAME the system by reverting edits without discussion to force WP:3RR. "Remarkable" (and the other words listed in WP:PEACOCK) are unsuitable for use in WP:BLP articles because they promote the subject without imparting verifiable information. In any case, edits should always be discussed on the talk page, and not reverted using the "undo" button unless they are clear WP:VANDALISM.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Zimmer, "innovative" and public relations spin

Here is what Zimmer's Facebook profile says: German-born composer Hans Zimmer is recognized as one of Hollywood’s most innovative musical talents, and here is what his IMDb profile says: German-born composer Hans Zimmer is recognized as one of Hollywood's most innovative musical talents This phrase can be found in umpteen online sources, mainly because lazy people have copied and pasted it from his official biography. In any case, "innovative" is a vague WP:PEACOCK term that does not impart verifiable information. Why is he innovative? Show the reader, don't tell.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Please check out a Google search on "German-born composer Hans Zimmer is recognized as one of Hollywood’s most innovative musical talents". This phrase comes from his official online biography, and is unsuitable for copying and pasting straight into his WP:BLP.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Re this edit. The laziness comes from obvious use of copy and paste from Zimmer's official biography. This would make it unsuitable for use without attribution in a Wikipedia article and is also a violation of WP:AUTO. Yes, Zimmer has won numerous awards and this should be mentioned in the article, and it is also possible to source this reliably. The "innovative" phrase is clealy unsuitable on WP:PEACOCK grounds, because it is introduced without any attempt to explain what it means.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Semiprotected again

Please see WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive134#User:IP reported by User:ianmacm (Result: Semi) for the June report that led to the original semiprotection. IPs are continuing to add WP:PEACOCK language to the article, without getting consensus to do so here on the talk page. If any editors suspect that multiple accounts are being used to spam the article, they might consider filing a complaint at WP:Sockpuppet investigations. If there seems to be an organized campaign of promotional editing, it could be reported at the WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard.

People who are already famous, like Hans Zimmer, do not benefit from having over-enthusiastic friends here who push their article beyond the bounds of normal Wikipedia standards. EdJohnston (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Ianmacm wants to know what is """ i n n o v a t i v e """!!!!

John god bless you! You're very sick!!! You must recourse to psychiatrist, right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.81.168.157 (talk • contribs)

Please avoid personal attacks on article talk pages. Would Zimmer be happy to know that he has fans who are behaving badly on Wikipedia? EdJohnston (talk) 20:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
For goodness' sake, I actually like Hans Zimmer's music, but let's get a grip here. Why is Zimmer innovative? in terms of the specifics, he was not the first person to use synthesizers in a film score (Wendy Carlos did this in A Clockwork Orange, among others). Also, John Barry mixed synthesizers and acoustic instruments in the themes of On Her Majesty's Secret Service and The Persuaders! Jerry Goldsmith used synthesizers in the score of Logan's Run, and so on. Instead of copying Zimmer's public relations handouts and then insulting other users, please explain why Zimmer is innovative. Personal attacks are so boring and not the way to win any argument on Wikipedia.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 21:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


My dear freand you must be dogmatic in this case! Every musician can understand his modern music for motion pictures and his advanced orchestration or melody-counterpoint. Small examples are fresh ideas in arranging and scoring MI2 scenes or Gladiator's battle scene with counterpoint quite new and artistic that was brit nominee as the best contemporary music. This is a spacious discussion! Scrupulosity is your problem... Sorry if my english is not Perfect. No problem, report again and again and full protect article forever... every five minutes recheck and RELAX !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.81.168.157 (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
This comes back to the issue of original research. Wikipedia articles are not essays or personal analysis, and need to be cited from reliable sources. The article has drawn in a range of sources, because too many online profiles of Zimmer seem to have been written using the copy and paste method from his ubiquitous official biography, eg this work has earned him the reputation of being the father of integrating the electronic musical world with traditional orchestral arrangements. The best way to improve the article would be to find some new reliable sources discussing Zimmer and his work.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ronni Chasen

There has been a good deal of coverage of the murder of Ronni Chasen [5][6], who was Hans Zimmer's publicity agent and close personal friend. Zimmer commented: "I adored her and she adored me. You can’t imagine how much I miss her already."[7] There is an element of WP:NOTNEWS here, but this is worth watching to see how the police investigation turns out. At the moment, they are baffled and there is a $100,000 reward.[8]

Ronni Chasen now has an article. The police seemed confused over the issue of whether Harold Smith was responsible, and with Smith now dead (after shooting himself when approached by police) the case may never come to court.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Where is True Romance?

Where is Hans Zimmer's credit for the film "True Romance"? He is credited with the score and also with "Your so Cool" possibly his best known work although based on Gassenhauer from Carl Orff's Schulwerk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeigh Neither (talk • contribs) 15:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The list of scores on which Zimmer has worked was split off into Hans Zimmer discography. There was no real need to do this, as at 36 kilobytes long the article Hans Zimmer is well within WP:SIZE. True Romance is on the list, although as you rightly point out, the theme is based on Gassenhauer by Carl Orff.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Critically Acclaimed Works

This two terms are not WP:PEACOCK, critically acclaimed meaning awards or nominations that it's true according documents. About major also it's just meaning works that was more recognisable between composer's last works, you do not agree? what is your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakhshi82 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

We have been through discussions like this before. It is easier to source Academy Award wins etc. directly than to use vague peacock terms like "critically acclaimed". The WP:LEAD is not the best place for specific information, and all of Zimmer's awards and nominations are listed further down in the article. The lead is giving a summary, and in interviews Zimmer has included A World Apart, Driving Miss Daisy and Crimson Tide among his favourite works.[9] Zimmer's work needs few introductions, and with over 100 film scores to choose from, it is hard to choose his "best" works reliably.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
It must be similar to the other article editing for wikipedia, this is a chain and must be close together in edition, this is a family. successful artists won nomorus awards but some people like Zimmer are more than an common award winning artists and good terms can describe to better recognition, the lead must be containing a succinct of artist ability and his eligibility, some people only read this part and may be many of them do not see the bottom, so it must be effective in first seeing and i think it's very important for people's article like Zimmer to be complete in the lead, about his acclaimed works zimmer's favorites is funny and not enough! Awards category and response of his works between academy members or ascertainable sources,... say what is the best. Please do not use from various usernames or other people to change the article and be reasonable! thanks my freand! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakhshi82 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
If that was a suggestion of WP:SOCK it is mistaken, because User:Ebyabe who made this edit is nothing to do with me. The lead tries to avoid saying "These are Zimmer's best scores", because even with the sourcing it is hard to pick out favourites.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
You are right my freand but you must let us to see who is our edition opponent for wiki in this matter and why? Essentially there is not an integrated taste in the world for the arts or for example absolute best film scores of all-time!!! But there is a few ascertainable associations that can support our editions for the composer, like Academy Candidates, HFPA, Grammy or even BAFTA. These are our rules and you must not fear for the article that may be illegal, no, everything in art is probably and may be... i added the works that you can see them in several categories of awards in a same time and everyone can add works with its claims according priority sources that i said to you. The page can change in different time sections and no one should stop it continuously. We don't exaggerate for the composer, he is. No one can refuse the reality and Zimmer is the reality because the motion pictures referees sey that, Let us to hear opposite voice with its reasons if you like his music and respect to his artistry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakhshi82 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
There does need to be a look at which of Zimmer's scores are mentioned by name in the WP:LEAD. Clearly it is not practical to mention them all, but The Lion King, Gladiator and The Dark Knight should be mentioned because they are keynote works and received important awards or nominations. As I pointed out in a previous edit summary, terms like "critically acclaimed" and "major works" are rather too vague and WP:PEACOCK for Wikipedia articles. Zimmer's entire career is critically acclaimed, and all of his awards and nominations are listed in the article. The views of other editors are welcome here, so that a consensus can be reached.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
We can mention the only titles that won at least one award in the significant, famous and recognizable categories of awards. I mean Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, Grammy Awards and BAFTA. Based on this theorem the 1996 Grammy Award winner film score, Crimson Tide can be added to the acclaimed works if a Consensus Reached. Term of Major will be removed.

Edit request from Cyrrus, 4 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

Need to add a Golden Globe nomination

2010: Inception (Best Original Song)

--Cyrrus (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC) Cyrrus (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Done Logan Talk Contributions 02:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Split

The discography section should be split into a separate list. Nergaal (talk) 19:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Disagree here per WP:SIZE, as the article is well under 100 kilobytes (currently 37 kilobytes). The film credits are a bit unwieldy, but in Talk:Hans_Zimmer#Where_is_True_Romance.3F a few weeks ago, someone asked why True Romance was not mentioned. See also John Williams which has a similar list (if anything, longer than the one here).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
There needs to be more discussion on this. John Williams, Thomas Newman, Michael Giacchino etc do not have separate discographies. Splitting an article is mainly desirable when there are WP:SIZE and WP:TOPIC issues.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I would support a split on the premise that it would be able to be expanded significantly if in a separate article, rather than the simple list that we have on this page. If we expanded the discography section within this article, it could become to unwieldy and large. In addition, he is famous for his music, so surely having an article dedicated to hos music would be good. Perhaps a trial run to see how much traffic the article gets? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk | Sign 11:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to stop other users from doing this, but still feel that any new article would need to contain a significant amount of new material. Simply splitting off the discography when the article is well under 100K does not fit within best practice, see WP:SIZERULE which says "< 40 KB - Length alone does not justify division".--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I've restored the summary-style section. The discography/award section is just way too long and distracting to be merged here. Nearly all composers, bands, or artists, and definitely all major ones have standalone discographies. See Ennio Morricone discography, The Kinks discography. List of compositions by Johannes Brahms, Korn discography, etc... That the article is under 100KB isn't an argument to not split. See WP:TOPIC. Several current-day artists even have separate Awards & Nominations articles (which could be warranted here), such as ABBA awards and nominations Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 11:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue here, but for a while now I have been less than happy about the film credits. Some lack reliable sourcing and may be films where Zimmer was a co-composer or producer. Media articles often say "Zimmer has composed the music for over a hundred films", which needs qualifying as some were films where he was a member of a team (eg Secrets of the Furious Five where he was part of a team of three composers). Another example is Thunderbirds (film) (2004) where he worked with Klaus Badelt although the discography does not currently say this. I suspect there may be more examples. This needs tidying up, some cross checking is needed.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Agree, collaborations should be pointed out. What can't be verified/references should be removed. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Let's try not to get into an edit war on this. Due to Zimmer's style of working, it is misleading to imply that he has single handedly composed the music for over a hundred films. This has become a media myth through constant repetition. Also, redlinks should be avoided if there is not going to be a corresponding article in the near future.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Redlinks should be present whenever an article should exist (WP:REDLINK). If they really annoy you, you could always create redirects to their sections in their corresponding movie's article. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but why split??? it is not necessary! the article is not very huge! this work unmake the centralization, new discography's page even has some mistake!! i'm agree with user ianmacm and i hope it will be back to pervious version, please!--Bakhshi82 (talk) 18:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

The split is not ideal, but it is more of a priority to tidy up the credits. A lot of them look like they have been lifted from IMDb, which is not always a WP:RS. For example, Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides is another collaborative work.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The split is the best solution to everything. Hans Zimmer discography is a 21-section long list! While it could be reduced a bit, it still is long enough to warrants a standalone treatment. This article covers Zimmer himself, his life, career, impact, and gives a summary (see WP:SUMMARYSTYLE) of his works and awards. The discography focuses on his works (and whatever awards they won), and can cover the details without being out of place, like who wrote the music of the soundtracks Zimmer produced, when they were produced, if there are boxsets or re-releases of his works, if the soundtracks charted or not, if there were live performances, covers, etc... That The Preacher's Wife's score (The Preacher's Wife: Original Soundtrack Album) was nominated for an Oscar in 1996 is more or less a factoid (when compared to his Oscar-winning (other awards-winning) works) in an article on Zimmer himself, but it's definitely relevant on an article about his works. This is pretty much standard practice with any major artists / singers / bands / composers / etc... (examples given above). Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Tron

The reference to Tron: Legacy (soundtrack) was removed because it is at best an indirect link. According to this source, the CD liner thanks Zimmer, but the extent of the help is unclear and Zimmer is not a credited composer or producer for this film.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Ra.One

The article Ra.One gives Vishal-Shekhar as the score composer. Zimmer's name was linked to this film in some sources, but this was in reports some time back.[10] Clarification needed here. IMDb also credits Original Music by Vishal Dadlani, Shekhar Ravjiani. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

  • The film's official website also credits Vishal & Shekhar. What seems to have happened here is that Zimmer was invited to score the film, but it did not happen. Zimmer has also been linked to scoring the 2013 Superman film Man of Steel, but again this is WP:CRYSTAL.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Beard

People often complain when infobox images are not up to date, and in his latest interview Zimmer has a beard, which is a first as far as the picture library is concerned.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Hans Zimmer's official website

Zimmer's official personal website is http://www.hanszimmer.com/ . Admittedly it is not very interesting or updated very regularly, but it is the one linked from his official Myspace page. The website http://www.hans-zimmer.com/ is careful not to claim official status and is more of a fansite.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

First videogame project?

In the article it claims that Modern Warfare 2 was his first musical project with video games. If memory serves me well, he composed quite a bit for The Lord of the Rings : The Battle For Middle-Earth II (c' 2007). Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

MW2 was widely described as his first video game score.[11] The article The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II does not credit anyone for the music, and a Google search also turned up blank.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Mission Impossible 2

Didn't Hans Zimmer also create music titles for the film, Mission Impossible 2? Morgan Katarn (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, he is credited as the lead composer on Mission: Impossible II (score), with additional music by Klaus Badelt. MI2 is listed in the Hans Zimmer discography. Not all of Zimmer's scores are mentioned by name in this article due to reasons of space, and MI2 did not win any of the major awards.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Zimmer's early career

Re: this edit. The material is unsourced, and the source at [12] briefly mentions his work with Krisma but does not go into any details. "It's said Hans Zimmer had bought the complete synthesizer installation of German synthesizer pioneers Tangerine Dream" has a WP:WEASEL issue. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be much reliable sourcing about what Zimmer did during the early 1980s, but any material added to the article would need to be sourced.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Disney Legend

He composed the two best disney movies of The Lion King and Muppet Treasure Island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.252.35 (talk) 18:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Zimmer and Krakatoa

There is very little sourcing about Zimmer and Krakatoa. Most interestingly, this photo is described as having Zimmer on the second from left, but it is hard to tell if it his him. The photo here is more clearly Zimmer on the second from right.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

There is another image of Zimmer with Krakatoa here. The article here mentions Krakatoa's links with Brighton, although Zimmer did not write the song Video Killed the Radio Star as it claims.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

BRAAAM!

I humbly propose that if there is only a single soundbite on this page, it should be the Inception Horn effect.

It should be trivial to source the massive impact this has had (on pop culture in general and trailer soundtracks in particular).

Regards, 213.112.134.102 (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

This sound now has its own website, press the red button. According to Zimmer in the New York Times, the music for Inception uses a sample from the Edith Piaf song Non, je ne regrette rien, saying "It was like huge foghorns over a city, and afterward you would maybe figure out that they were related."[13] Zimmer commented on CNN "It's over every trailer! It's funny how that sort of thing becomes part of the zeitgeist. But I suppose that's exactly what trailers are looking for: something iconic, lasts less than a second, and shakes the seats in the theater. We've seemed to unleash some sort of genie."[14] See also the Ghostbusters Recut Trailer.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:48, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Criticism and legal actions against him

Can we include a section in the article where Hans Zimmer has been criticized for copying music of others? He has received several law suits for plagiarising several films including Holsts The Planet to make Gladiator; Mozart for Lion King; David Arnold on casino royale for Inception and others. He also even reuses some of his own material and he has therefore been characterized as not being versatile enough (Gladiator, Pirates of the Caribbean, King Arthur, The Rock, etc.). It was also noted that Zimmer almost never makes a score on his own but rather has other composers that write alot of his music including Lome Balfe as an example. Are these claims valid? Are there other composers who faced similar criticism? U1012738 (talk) 16:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Some of this emerged when Zimmer had a falling out with his former partner at Media Ventures, Jay Rifkin, leading to a lawsuit in 2003. Rifkin claimed that parts of Zimmer's scores were ghost written [15], although the use of additional composers in Zimmer scores is well known and they are usually credited in the end titles, albeit in somewhat smaller lettering. Unfortunately, I can't find any reliable sourcing on the outcome of this lawsuit, although Zimmer countersued in 2004.[16] Zimmer was sued in 2006 for allegedly copying Mars from Holst's Planets Suite in Gladiator [17] but again it is unclear what the outcome of this was. Zimmer's music has an element of self similarity, and even his fans will concede that some of his themes sound as though they have been reused in a similar form in different films. All of this needs reliable sourcing to go into the article, and it is best not to have a separate criticism section.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Therefore although there are no reliable sources to support these (and so we cannot add this as a new section - criticism), these claims such as plagiarism/copying and a sense of similarity in his scores are recognised among musicians and his fans...? Are there other composers who are viewed in a similar way? Hans Zimmer has been noted in some sources as being influential to other composers however by these criteria can someone say that in reality he hasn't been much? U1012738 (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The problem with saying "Zimmer is a plagiarist" or similar is that it is a bad faith assumption which is potentially libellous. I would like to mention the Rifkin and Holst lawsuits in the article, but despite a lot of looking around, it has not been possible to find out what became of them. Maybe they were dropped or settled, as nothing seems to have come of them. Separate criticism sections are best avoided as they can be tagged with Template:Criticism section. Comments on Zimmer's writing style should come from a reliable secondary source, to avoid issues with original research.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
After all, since Zimmer is undoubtly the Mozart of the 20/21th century, you should know that inspiration isn't plagiarism. Even Mozart himself was "inspired" by other componists, especially Haydn. Music is a living thing, and ears don't care about copyrights, don't forget that. Btw Mozart nowadays would do the same thing as Zimmer: Composing movies. And because Zimmer composes so many movies, it's clear that he must reuse some of his material...my ears are still grateful. --178.197.227.163 (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Beyond: Two Souls

We should definitely add to the page his work as the composer of the Beyond: Two Souls Original Sound Track. Just because it is a video game, it doesn't mean it's any less of a significant piece of work than a film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatsSketchy (talk • contribs) 22:59, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Zimmer was the soundtrack producer of the score for the game, but not the composer.[18]. The original composer was Normand Corbeil, who died during the project,[19] which was then completed by Lorne Balfe.[20] The infobox and text at Beyond: Two Souls is misleading and should be amended to reflect this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 23:19, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Academy Award Correction

Hans Zimmer did not win an Academy Award for the Last Emperor, he won it for his Best Original Score in Lion King in 1994. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kairedfern (talk • contribs) 02:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, but the article says that Zimmer was the score producer, not the composer for The Last Emperor. At the IMDb entry for the film, he is credited as music producer: London (as Hans F. Zimmer) / musical associate: London (as Hans F. Zimmer). Hopefully the wording in the article makes this clear. Zimmer's only Academy Award was for The Lion King in 1994.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:35, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

broken link

10. ^ a b "Biography". Hans Zimmer. Retrieved 2009-06-10. is dead. Looks like it should be http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.23.109.30 (talk) 13:22, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

religion

He's evidently atheist, if someone wants to add that in. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/03/showbiz/tv/hans-zimmer-the-bible/ "Composer Hans Zimmer comes from a long line of atheists." "Because the scope of the "The Bible" was so huge, with stories that span thousands of years, "10 hours is not that long to tell a monumental story like this." So while it wasn't long enough on the one hand to tell the stories (which, despite not being religious himself, he deemed "powerful" with a "great meaning of morality"), it was still longer than most of his projects. To get a handle on it, he decided thinking smaller was the way to go." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.23.56.133 (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Generally speaking, a WP:BLP does not need to list a person's religious beliefs (or the lack of them) unless they are reliably sourced and the subject himself has discussed them in public. This could be added, but I'm not sure if it is essential. "Zimmer comes from a long line of atheists" does not say directly that he is an atheist, although that appears to be the intended meaning.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

12 Years a Slave

Is anyone going to add his work at 12 Years a Slave, movie witch won the Oscar as the Best Motion Picture?! Bruno Blanes (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, this is the fourth time that Zimmer has scored the Best Picture, the others are Rain Man, Driving Miss Daisy and Gladiator.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Jewish

Why is it always so necessary to reveal that someone is Jewish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:8500:982:158:ED1:FD1C:67CC (talk) 02:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

In the past, there have been long running arguments on Wikipedia about whether to include this type of information. The reason why it was included in this article is that Zimmer himself talked about it in an interview in May 2014.[21]

Zimmer's first wife

Zimmer's IMDb biography says that he was married to Vicki Carolin from 1982 to 1992. However, IMDb should not be used as a source for BLP material on Wikipedia. The Vogue magazine cite in this edit is better, but doesn't say specifically that Vicki Carolin was his first wife. This probably should be included, but there is very little reliable sourcing online.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Man of Steel - Batman V Superman

Nothing is mentioned about his work on Man of Steel and his collaboration with Junkie XL on the BVS Soundtrack, it can be listed with the other films in the first paragraph of the page as well as in the Career -> 2010s section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efroim102 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

There is a problem with mentioning every Zimmer project in this article because there are so many. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (soundtrack) has its own article which goes into considerable detail, more than this article could do as it is a biography of Zimmer.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Doctor in Distress

Re this edit: this was reverted because it is a copy and paste from Doctor in Distress (song) which has its own article. The sourcing is a forum/fansite and is now a dead link. "Doctor in Distress" can be seen on YouTube here. It wasn't composed by Zimmer (unlike "Going for Gold") but he does play the keyboards on it. "Doctor in Distress" was intended to be a charity single in the style of "Do They Know It's Christmas?" but it turned out to be so bad that most radio stations and the BBC refused to play it. As for article notability here, it doesn't have enough reliable secondary sourcing for a mention. Zimmer often did session keyboard work in the early 1980s, and this probably isn't his finest hour.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:26, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The B-side of the 1985 single "Doctor in Distress" is an instrumental played by Zimmer on a Fairlight CMI, his favourite instrument in the 1980s. It is on YouTube here. The lack of the lyrics is a distinct improvement, although they do crop up towards the end of the track.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:12, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Zimmer's official website

Re this edit: As I've said before, http://hanszimmer.com/ may well qualify for a place in Guinness World Records for the longest "under construction" period of a website. The domain name hanszimmer.com was registered in March 1999 [22] at the height of the dotcom boom, but to the best of my knowledge the website has never shown any significant content. Nevertheless, this is his official website. http://hans-zimmer.com/ was registered in September 2000.[23] It is based in France and shows plenty of things Zimmer related, but it is an unofficial fansite.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Re this edit: some people may wonder why Zimmer's official website never shows any significant content. The domain may have been bought to prevent cybersquatting. Some years ago, a man registered madonna.com and used it as a porn site, which did not please Madonna (entertainer) one little bit.[24] She eventually gained control of the domain and http://www.madonna.com/ is now her official website. It's interesting that despite having owned the domain name hanszimmer.com since March 1999, Zimmer has never shown much interest in hosting a website on it. However, hans-zimmer.com is an unofficial fansite.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Lead section

Re this edit. The article should avoid copying the WP:PEACOCK tone of Zimmer's IMDb profile. While he has won and been nominated for numerous awards, the Oscar for The Lion King in 1994 is probably his best known score and major award. "Motion pictures" is a rather pretentious term not used in everyday speech. "Acclaimed" is definitely one of the words to avoid in the lead section. "For three decades" leads to problems with WP:RELTIME, as it does not make clear when the three decades were.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

As always, you have the last word on the article.paryvartalk 14:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The phrase "among the acclaimed film scores by film academies or associations" does not impart any clear or verifiable information. The Bob Dylan example at WP:PEACOCK recommends saying something that is both clear and verifiable. If Hans Zimmer fell under the proverbial bus tomorrow, his obituary writers would probably regard The Lion King as his most famous score, and the Academy Award that he won for it as the high point of his career..--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be an overuse of Zimmer's own words and claims in the article. Far more neutral third party opinions are needed. "Prolifically bombastic" is how one less peacocky review described his mush. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

January 2017

Re this edit: it doesn't say in the source that Zimmer had no formal musical training, although this is correct. He never went to college, film school etc, and learned the trade on the job. The source at http://www.soundtracksandtrailermusic.com/2013/07/hans-zimmer/ is based on the personal recollection of someone who worked with him and I'm not sure if it is a reliable enough source.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Re this edit: the encyclopedia.com article is broadly OK but contains some serious errors. Zimmer worked with The Buggles and Warren Cann from Ultravox but did not write their songs, and he doesn't ever seem to have worked with Tangerine Dream. Also, he has four children, not two. This makes me wary of using it as a source. The article should mention that Zimmer has no formal training and learned how to score films while working as as an assistant to Stanley Myers, but the sourcing given is not RS.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:28, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the informations. You don`t have actually any RS about these facts that could be used to improve the entry?Mistico (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
It is worth mentioning that he has no formal musical training, because most film score composers have been to college or film school and have some formal qualifications. I'll look around for a reliable source which says this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

2014 infobox photo; Zimmer with a beard

Re this edit: it's a good photo and more up to date. It is worth pointing out, though, that Zimmer's flirtation with a beard at around this time appears to have been brief. He doesn't currently have a beard, eg here in April 2017.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:04, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Here is Zimmer at the 2013 Classic BRITs, and here at the 2015 Tribeca Film Festival, both with no beard. 2014 seems to have been The Year of the Beard.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hans Zimmer Live on Tour

His past/present tours are not mentioned anywhere

http://www.hanszimmerlive.com/livetour/

--S3rvus (talk) 22:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Zimmer has been on tour in 2017, but I'm not sure if it has long term article notability.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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