Talk:Hayes, Hillingdon

Mayors

Do you have a list of past Mayors of Hayes please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.217.206.243 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 24 October 2005.

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This page is part of the WikiProject London: please add information about this area to this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mav (talk • contribs) 23:01, 28 September 2002

Hayes is a west London suburb in England once administered by Middlesex County Council with considerable though declining industrial activity, once drawn to the infrastructure of the Grand Union Canal that flanks the town centre. Parallel to that east-west canal, now used predominantly by recreational boaters, runs a fast four-track railway line part of the Great Western Railway which serves stations such as Paddington and Kensington Olympia on the western edge of central London. The local station is called Hayes and Harlington station and it functions as a convenient interchange with frequent buses linking London Heathrow Airport and Harrow. This dog-legged route appeals to Heathrow workers and passengers partly because many aviation-related firms and hotels are clustered along the A4 road that separates the northern airport runway from residential districts and partly because a premium fare is levied on passengers that choose to travel on the Heathrow Express train service to or from London Paddington. Buses to the low-rise Stockley Park business park built on former gravel pits, also link to Hayes and Harlington Station, to the centre of the busy airport, and to West Drayton station that performs a similar interchange role for rail passengers approaching Heathrow from places in Oxfordshire or Berkshire.

If the Crossrail scheme proceeds then that premium fare arrangement might need to be phased-out, which would clearly make the direct rail service more popular and perhaps, uncomfortably congested. A small railway museum can be found at nearby Southall. The significant plane builder Fairey Aviation had a factory at Hayes until about 1990. This produced aircarft such as the STOL Lysander, the nimble Firefly, the noisy, shipboard Gannet and the diminutive Scout and Wasp helicopters, a few of which survive on civil registers. By the time of this helicopter building period the company had become part of the Westland group. EMI records is another long-established employer with premises close to the railway.

Harlington's future is particularly threatened by a scheme yet to be elaborated for a third parallel runway for Heathrow. This relatively short extra runway was suggested publicly by the airport's commercial operator close to the M4 motorway in about 2000 on land well-beyond the airport's current northern perimeter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.83.84 (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2004 (minor revisions subsequently added by —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francs2000 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 4 February 2005 and —Preceding unsigned comment added by ADNghiem501 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 4 August 2006).

Still no mention of Middlesex in this article??? Radiopathy •talk• 05:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Four years on, and there is one fleeting mention of Middlesex. Radiopathy •talk• 00:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Circular redirect

'Bulls Bridge' links back to this page. Jackiespeel (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 19:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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• Hayes, Hillingdon → Hayes
• Hayes → Hayes (disambiguation)

– I believe Hayes, Hillingdon is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Hayes. As stated on that page I have used the pageview analysis tool to compare all the listed articles on that disambiguation page solely named "Hayes". The analysis proves that Hayes, Hillingdon is dominant out of all these links and therefore qualifies as a primary topic. Permalink of the analysis: .

I compared the analysis of Hayes, Hillingdon with other solely named "Hayes" articles, of which there 9 (8 places, one surname). The results of 5 years' data show that Hayes, Hillingdon, is by far the most popular article.

• Hayes, Hillingdon has had 334,716 views, which is alone 59% of the total views of all these ten articles.
• The monthly average views is almost 3x higher than second placed Hayes (surname), 5x higher than third placed Hayes, Bromley, and 19x higher than fourth placed The Hayes
• It has had more editors than Hayes (surname), and more than double the number of editors compared to Hayes, Bromley (56)
• The article size of 106k bytes is also more than the other nine combined.

I've looked at the Hayes command set article and as the name already says, it is seldom referred to as simply "Hayes" but with the "command set" next to it. File:Yeading Brook Meadows 2.JPG

Because Hayes, Hillingdon, has multiple times the view numbers of other "Hayes" pages and has multiple times the size and content (i.e. proving popularity and long-term notability), there is no doubt in my mind that Hayes, Hillingdon is a primary topic and should be moved to Hayes.

References

– Jf81 (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: Hayes titles a dab page with significant content and so is ineligible as a new page title unless it is also proposed to be renamed. This request has been altered to reflect that fact. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 23:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

• Weak oppose the surname gets more than a third of the views of the Hillingdon one and I don't see the Hillingdon one as being the clear winner of PT#2 over the Bromley one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

  Changing to full oppose per Nohomersryan given the companies would probably be searched as "Hayes" alone. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose move. There's no clear primary topic because of the surname. (To make the obvious comparison, Rutherford B. Hayes drew over 18x as many views as Hayes, Hillingdon in September 2020, the last "neutral" month for judging an American president in an election year, but he's one of the presidents typically referred to by full name.) O.N.R. ^(talk) 20:13, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. By my count, this town gets 48% of the pageviews for all things that could be known as just "Hayes", and I was charitable there and excluded Rutherford B./Hayes command set. There's also no real indicator this town is especially well known outside of its general vicinity. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, one of the worst of these four RMS. After Harrow In ictu oculi (talk) 21:45, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose with Rutherford B. Hayes and Hayes command set this can't be the primary topic. Even ignoring those, per Nohomersryan it's still unlikely to be the primary topic. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
• Very strong oppose. Even when considering only places in the London area there is very clearly no primary topic between the Hayes in Hillingdon and the Hayes in Bromley. Thryduulf (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
• I'd note that I might have expected Hayes Garden World would have an article here but it doesn't. I thought it was a chain but there appears to be only 1 which is in Ambleside and its logo has "Hayes" in large text and "Garden World" in small text and thus would probably be searched as just "Hayes" but even without that as noted there doesn't appear to be a primary topic by either criteria. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
• Comment/Alternative. Seeing that my request is getting widespread opposition I'd like some input in an alternative proposal to move Hayes, Hillingdon to Hayes, West London, on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. --Jf81 (talk) 18:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

  I don't think that that's necessary, unlike other districts London boroughs are quite well known and as the article West London suggests its not a specific area anyway so Hayes, west London (lower case) would probably be more appropriate per WP:UKPLACE "Hayes" "West London" gets around 955,000 results while "Hayes" "Hillingdon" gets around 986,000 but the London borough is the standard way to disambigaute like Belmont, Sutton, and Belmont, Harrow. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

  I looked specifically at the Belmont examples before my proposal and it is a standard indeed, but I thought maybe Hayes needs an exception. The reason being partly that Belmont, Sutton and Belmont, Harrow are respectively in the Sutton and Harrow boroughs and post towns. Same with Hayes, Bromley. But in the case of Hayes, Hillingdon an exception could be made. As someone who actually lived and grew up there, I can say that "Hayes, west London" is a lot more common to hear/refer to it rather than "Hayes, Hillingdon" (which is almost non-existent to be honest). --Jf81 (talk) 00:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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