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Were Nuristani's Hindu?[edit]

Their religion had the same god's as Hindus, like Yamraj of the under world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.207.34.81 (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverting edits[edit]

@Zakaria1978:, Please stop reverting edits without an edit summary, rather engage in the talk page here and say what your issue with the information is, your constant revertings without any comment and not engaging in a talk may have further consequences. --Xerxes931 (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MKD ref[edit]

@HindusforNepal: you've "re-surfaced" a ref with the tag "MKD", but it has no definition. Could you please fill in the source for that? Thanks. -- Fyrael (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers and citations[edit]

For some reason an IP editor changed the estimated size of the current Hindu population of Afghanistan from about 50 to about 80,000 in the infobox on 15 May 2021. This was reverted on 17 May 2021. When I checked, I found that there were problems with the citations for numbers:

Infobox: population=50[1]
Infobox: religions=Hinduism (majority)
Sikhism (minority)[2]
Hinduism in Afghanistan is practiced by a tiny minority of Afghans, believed to be about 50 individuals who live mostly in the cities of Kabul and Jalalabad.[3][4][5][6][2]
In the 1970s, there were about 500,000 Hindus in Afghanistan.[7]

References

  1. ^ "Country Policy and Information Note Afghanistan: Sikhs and Hindus/" (PDF). Retrieved 27 March 2020. Updated URL
  2. ^ a b Singh, Manpreet (22 August 2014). "Dark days continue for Sikhs and Hindus in Afghanistan". Hindustan Times. Archived from the original on 4 November 2016. Retrieved 13 February 2021. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 4 March 2016 suggested (help) alternative URL
  3. ^ Bearak, Barry (22 May 2001). "Taliban Propose an Identity Label for the 'Protection' of Hindus". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 27 May 2015. Retrieved 13 February 2021.
  4. ^ "RFI - Sikhs struggle for recognition in the Islamic republic". www1.rfi.fr. Retrieved 2021-02-13.
  5. ^ "Latest world news, breaking world news - MSN India". Archived from the original on 14 July 2014. Retrieved 31 March 2017.
  6. ^ Legal traditions of the world: sustainable diversity in law, H. Patrick Glenn Edition 3, Oxford University Press, 2007
  7. ^ Kumar, Ruchi (1 January 2017). "The decline of Afghanistan's Hindu and Sikh communities". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 1 May 2020.

Of these citations, the only one that supports the statement that the current number of Hindus living in Afghanistan might be about 50 is Country Policy and Information Note Afghanistan, which does cite some sources for that. (I have not checked Legal traditions of the world: sustainable diversity in law - it is a 456 page book and no page number is cited.)

The 2017 Al Jazeera citation says: "In the 70s, there were around 700,000 Hindus and Sikhs, and now they are estimated to be less than 7,000". So that does not directly support the statement it is cited for.

The other sources do have information in them - just not the information in question.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following statement in the Modern period section is supported by its citation (though the citation is dated November 2009, so today should be changed to 2009:

Till the collapse of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, there were several thousand Hindus living in the country but today their number is only about 1,000.[1][2]

References

  1. ^ Cross, Tony (14 November 2009). "Sikhs struggle for recognition in the Islamic republic". Radio France Internationale www1.rfi.fr. Retrieved 13 February 2021.
  2. ^ "Latest world news, breaking world news - MSN India". Archived from the original on 14 July 2014. Retrieved 31 March 2017.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted:

In the 1970's there were nearly were nearly 500,000 Hindus in Afghanistan and were one of the most-educated communities of the nation in terms of economic and academics.[1]

Tate's book was published in 1911. The 1911 edition was reprinted in 2001. Tate cannot possibly have said anything about the population in the 1970s.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Tate 2001, p. 204.

Demographics[edit]

Historical Population
YearPop.±%
1970700,000—    
1980220,000−68.6%
1985100,000−54.5%
199015,000−85.0%
20097,000−53.3%
20161,350−80.7%
20171,300−3.7%
2018700−46.2%
2019550−21.4%
202050−90.9%

@TabahiKaBhagwan: Please can you provide reliable sources for the various numbers in the above chart that you tried to add to the article on 6 June 2021.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the problem is that some of the numbers are really for Hindus only, and some are for Hindus and Sikhs combined. This makes for a very misleading set of numbers.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers[edit]

During the 1970s, the Afghan Hindu population was estimated to number between 80,000 and 280,000, or 0.7% to 2.5% of the national population at the time.

What are the sources?

The first is a footnote that goes: According to Singh, there were at least 2 lakh Sikhs and Hindus (in a 60:40 ratio) in Afghanistan until the 1970s. Who is Singh?
Consulting the cited Indian Express news article, we come across historian Inderjeet Singh, author of ‘Afghan Hindus and Sikhs: A History of A Thousand Years’.
"Readomania", a pay-to-publish press (!), had published the book. Now, Singh's academic credentials cannot be determined except for his affiliation with Institute of Sikh Studies (ISS), a Sikh fundamentalist organization, peddling fringe scholarship. Any scholar, outside of ISS, has cited not a single of Singh's works.
Unreliable per SPS.
The second is a footnote that goes: “In the 70s, there were around 700,000 Hindus and Sikhs, and now they are estimated to be less than 7,000,” Shayegan says.
Consulting the cited Al Jazeera news article, we come across Ehsan Shayegan, an Afghan researcher with "Porsesh Research and Studies Organization" studying the "minority religions of Kabul".
Shayegan is the founder of the organization; has a Master's in sociology and public policy. His eight organizational colleagues appear to have even less expertise. I do not see any collaborations with universities etc.
Overall, a one-man-show and unreliable per SPS.
The third is a footnote that goes: “An investigation by TOLOnews reveals that the Sikh and Hindu population number was 220,000 in the 1980's.
TOLO is one of the more-reliable media houses for reporting on Afghan issues, but their "investigations" are not the best sources to cite extraordinary claims. I note that the investigation video, which might have contained some details on their methodology, has been removed from the site.
The fourth is a news article in The National.
The relevant information is quoted from Rawail Singh, a Sikh civil activist visiting the Hindu temple.
Not the proper source, yet again.

All in all, coupled with the fact that the state never had a meaningful census in its history, the line needs to go from the lead. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even after several months, no reliable source has been provided so I have removed it[1]. Please do not restore before reaching a consensus here. Bringtar (talk) 08:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

700 000 Hindus is madness[edit]

It's way lower, there was way more Sikh than Hindus, so afghan Hindus were somewhere between 2000 and 6000 not 700 000 💀, are these sources even serious or completely delusional. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:5C42:4CF1:EB8C:7B40 (talk) 12:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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