Talk:Hot stain

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other uses[edit]

The Ziehl-Neelsen stain is known as a "hot stain," as heat is used for the dye to penetrate through the cell wall.

A boiling "hot stain" can be used to stain wood. See wood stain.

kgrr ^talk 11:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added some more info. into the article as to stressed water supplies leading to hot stains. Peak water as that affects this resource. Article has room for more good information and expansion. skip sievert (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

etymology[edit]

Assuming the term is in actual use – why? The metaphor is not obvious to me at least. —Tamfang (talk) 03:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More info[edit]

Added some more info... a second paragraph to the lead. This term may or may not have been coined by Maude Barlow. If it was she is a notable person, and the term is used by others because of her notability also. skip sievert (talk) 15:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Information about Barlow's life is irrelevant in this article. Notability is not inherited. Gigs (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editor... the recent removal of referenced and cited material does not look good. Please refrain from removing material in the article. The article currently is trying to be improved. I find the removal of sourced and cited information and expansion questionable and troubling especially when an Afd is happening. Notability of this term is trying to be established if it is possible to do so within guidelines as it appears to be notable. This edit is not really productive as to that [1] skip sievert (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Filling the article with irrelevant facts about other subjects does not confer notability onto this subject. At least this time you didn't fill the article with information about wood stains. Gigs (talk) 15:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may have me confused with someone else as to woodstains. - skip sievert (talk) 17:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If that was kgrr then I'm sorry for confusing you two. Gigs (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

Scientists call them "hot stains" - the parts of the earth running out of clean, drinkable water. They now include northern China, large areas of Asia and Africa, the Middle East, Australia, the Midwestern United States, and sections of South America and Mexico. How did the world's most vital natural resource become so imperilled? And what must we do to pull back from the brink? end quote from here [2]. It is notable. Who came up with the term? A little research probably could nail that down. Our standard for inclusion is "Verifiability, not Truth". skip sievert (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Water resources sourcing[edit]

'Hot stains' areas are one term given where water reserves are disappearing. These areas include the Middle East, Northern China, Mexico, California and almost two dozen countries in Africa. Today thirty-one countries and over 1 billion people completely lack access to clean water. The global freshwater crisis looms as one of the greatest threats ever to the survival of our planet according to Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke in an article in The Nation magazine.[3] Who Owns Water? By Maude Barlow & Tony Clarke appeared in the September 2, 2002 edition of The Nation.

Ziehl-Neelsen stain[edit]

The Ziehl-Neelsen stain is most certainly is nicknamed "Hot stain" by biologists because it is the most common of hot staining methods. [4] [5] How many references do you need? Gigs, Please quit harassing me. It's really getting annoying now. kgrr ^talk 21:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't that fact mentioned in the target article if this is such a relevant name for it that it warrants a disambiguation hat? Gigs (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's keeping you from correcting it then instead of simply deleting the disambiguation? The article does mention that the Ziehl-Neelsen stain is heated, does it not? kgrr ^talk 18:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not "harassing you", I'm trying to prevent the insertion of promotional material into Wikipedia. I will continue to do this. Gigs (talk) 02:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not promotional material. You know this. Hey Gigs, do you want to buy some "Hot stain" property in Arizona? If you really believe this I have a bridge to sell you in New York. kgrr ^talk 18:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't dispute that there are areas that have run out of water, merely that no one other than Barlow really calls them that. We don't exist to promote neologisms that haven't even been adopted widely within their own field of study. Gigs (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a hydrologist? Do you have regular conversations with hydrologists? Have you ever sat down to listen to a peak water paper? Are you an authority on the subject? How can you possibly make the statement that 'hot stain' has not being used within hydrology? I find plenty of references in blogs. I have heard the term in several speeches by people not directly involved with Maude Barlow other than they are also concerned about areas where potable water has run out permanently. kgrr ^talk 21:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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