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I'll try to find a usable one later...but in the meantime, if anyone has one, can we try to find a 19th century Victorian to put on this page instead of the 2003 built look-alike? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/61/HoustonHeights.jpg/180px-HoustonHeights.jpg is at 1545 Heights Blvd, or http://www.hcad.org/records/details.asp?tab=2&bld=1&card=1&taxyear=2007&acct=0201370000034)

Take 1802 Harvard St for example, built 1900 or before (http://users.rcn.com/scndempr/dave/bedbreak/other/Texa01.jpg -- no response from the image owner yet). I'll replace unless anyone disagrees if I get permission.... 98.196.115.82 (talk) 05:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1991 Population decline[edit]

I found: Rodriguez, Lori. "Census tracks rapid growth of suburbia." Houston Chronicle. Sunday March 10, 1991. Section A, Page 1.

Arsonist[edit]

I was wondering if this might be significant enough to be included as part of the history of the Heights? Additionally, if memory serves me correct, there might have been an article I read a few years ago about the neighborhood being used as a refuge during a disease outbreak, I will try to find that as well. --Hourick (talk) 20:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • If the news coverage is ongoing, it probably would be. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous linkage of The Houston Mass Murder Victims and poverty[edit]

"In the 1970s the Houston Heights was considered to be a low income area of the city.[1] On May 29, 1971 Dean Corll began luring and killing children from the Houston Heights as part of the Houston Child Murders.[3]"

The linkage of HH having been a lower income area in the 70s with the Corll mass murders is somewhat ambiguous. It seems to imply that the boys and young men who were his victims were targeted because they were poorer white kids which presumably for some reason appealed to Corll or else made them easier targets. The fact seems to be that the reason why such a large percentage of the victims came from HH is because Corll’s two young accomplices had resided there and thus knew many fellow kids. I don’t think any of Corll’s victims were forcibly abducted. Rather, they had all been lured to Corll’s various residences, mostly by his accomplices, occasionally by himself.

As the paragraph is worded now, one envisions a Jack the Ripper scenario with socio-economic factors involved. Other than only being interested in white boys/young men, I doubt that Corll would have cared what the demographics had been of his victims.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 20:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If no one objects within a week or so, I’m going to change the wording of this paragraph. I don’t like to alter articles, but I also don't appreciate that reading the paragraph as it stands now that there is at least a subtle implication that many of the victims of the Houston mass murders were “white trash.” Not all of these kids came from broken homes. Indeed, one that I know of came from a very devout Catholic family with wonderful parents. HH then was just a typical working class neighborhood; hardly a ghetto in the pejorative sense. Again, HH kids were targeted simply for logistical reasons.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 15:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Actually those were intended to be two separate concepts. I wasn't intending to link the two together. @HistoryBuff14: WhisperToMe (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Understood and thank you! Best regards,@WhisperToMe HistoryBuff14 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Both of those statements are true, but related? Who but Dean Corll himself would actually know that. Police patrols in the area declined yearly as the median incomes dropped, I know that much for certain. Patrol officers were spread thin as Houston expanded at an incredible pace but new officers were not added to keep up. We moved from the Heights at 14th and Norhill in 1973 to Timbergrove, to escape the increasing crime and the inflow of low-income immigrants. That is not a judgement... It is a fact, provable via photographs over 10 years, and residential title records. As to the murders, I knew and went to school with 2 of Dean Corll's victims. One was a friend. After that nightmare occurred, my parents could not leave the Heights quickly enough. Strangely, I passed by the corner where Corll kidnapped at least one of his victims, at Studewood and 11th St, every single day for almost 2 years. I had a paper route at that location in 1971 and 72, before he was finally killed. Very scary place and time to be a young boy. I must have passed his vehicle at least once, since it is known that he parked at that exact corner during that period, after school hours. I was very lucky in that. Before Corrl, the Heights was an ideal place to grow up, or so it seemed. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that as per Wikipedia:V: "Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors." However if you can find a published source which explicitly says that the decline of the Heights/decline of police patrols are linked to Corll's crimes, that can work. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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History Misstatement[edit]

. After mentioning the re-gentrification of the Houston Heights, under History the following statement is found:

blah blah "...young highly paid professionals..." - Which is not accurate. Many of the people who bought "back into" the Heights in the post-1990 epoch are neither young, nor highly paid, nor professionals. In fact, I know several older, "blue-collar", not-wealthy people who buy homes there as rental properties / investments. Some have moved back there to retire. Others never left. The depiction of this area being primarily made up of "young urban professionals" is simply wrong, and reads like a real-estate or marketing brochure. Having grown up there, and having many friends and relatives who still live there, I find that offensive. The house I grew up in is still there, and is still 2 bedrooms and less than 1000 sq ft. You can't gentrify 1000 sq ft. In fact, except for the paint - it's the same house and garage my father built. (Same original slate shingles!) Nothing fancy about that little cottage, I assure you. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback! Note that as per the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability: "Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors." In light of this, I examined the sentence with the phrase "young highly paid professionals" and found there is no citation for it, so I tagged it with a request for a citation. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:02, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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