Talk:Jim Tressel

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Only coach to win national titles at two schools[edit]

This passage isn't true. Joe Glenn, former Wyoming Football coach won titles at Division II Northern Colorado (which has since moved up to 1-AA) and I-AA Montana before going to FBS Wyoming.

His 2002 national title victory at Ohio State gave him two more distinctions: he became the only coach to win national titles at two different schools (Youngstown State and Ohio State) and he won national titles at two different divisional levels of NCAA football (Ohio State is Division I-A, while Youngstown State is Division I-AA) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.26.2 (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

19-0 is second-longest streak?[edit]

The Wikipedia page states that "His 19-game winning streak during the 2002-2003 campaigns was the second longest in the history of Ohio State football."

But according a recent (8-28-06) article on The Official Site of Ohio State Athletics, "The current seven-game win streak is second only to the 19-consecutive wins under Tressel in 2002 (14-0) and 2003 (5-0 to start season). " This article can be found at

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082806aab.html

Jefs 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the article is referring only to winning streaks under Tressel. The Ohio State records book (page 17, right hand column) confirms the longest winning streak at 22 from 1967-1969, followed by the streak of 19 under Tressel. TheMan232 04:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Made changes to the summary, but they are not showing.

I tried to add his conference championships and rivalry record but the changes don't show up. Any thoughts?

POV issue in reverted edit to YSU section[edit]

The following paragraph has been removed twice from the article. While my POV would be in support of Tressel, I fear that leaving this information out of the article tilts the article-- and the section in particular-- toward my POV:

While at YSU, Tressel's football program was investigated for major NCAA infractions. It was found that on numerous occasions during the period beginning August - September 1988 and continuing through the spring of 1992, a representative of the institution’s athletic interests, who was at the time a member and chairperson of the Youngstown State University Board of Trustees, gave at least $10,000 in cash and checks to a football student-athlete for his personal use. In the fall of 1988, the athletics booster instructed the football student-athlete to contact a business associate regarding the use of automobiles. The football student-athlete contacted the business associate who provided the free use of automobiles to the eligible football student-athlete. (Source: Farrey, Tom. Souls of the departed haunt Youngstown. ESPN.com, 12 November 2004. Retrieved 14 January 2008.)

This is not an indiscriminate addition of information. Because Tressel was the head coach at the time, and was thus responsible for the YSU football team, it's highly relevant to the subject matter. I've flagged the section from which this paragraph was removed for possible POV problems. -- JeffBillman (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree that the info is relevant to this particular article on the grounds that a) while yes, Tressel was responsible for the team's operations, he cannot be (and wasn't) held accountable for what happened outside the limits of his own personal actions and/or guidelines he set for the team. It was a booster, not a member of the coachin staff. So far as the matter in question is concerned, the info belongs on the YSU football team article, not Tressel's; b) Coach Tressel wasn't indicted on any charges, so what's the point in including it in his article when it's obvious that he wasn't found negligible or guilty on any counts in the first place? The investigation was inconsequential with regards to the YSU coaching staff having any hand in the matter. This is merely a ploy by anti-Tressel (and anti-Buckeye) pundits to try and soil a man's reputation and discredit his programs. I wouldn't tolerate such pointless and inflammatory content on the Lloyd Carr article either, as it is a matter of integrity, not fandom. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for help from Wikipedia:WikiProject College football for a third opinion. Thanks for helping to improve this article! -- JeffBillman (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While Ryecatcher773 reeks of a pro-tOSU slant (as made obvious by his user page), I agree this information isn't relevant to Jim Tressel's article. However, given the fact that Troy Smith accepted money while playing at OSU, it may gain relevance, despite the fact that, again, Tressel wasn't implicated. Reliable source would be needed, as just noting the similarities of different players taking money at different programs under the same coach would violate WP:OR. Tool2Die4 (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on the Coaching Record Table[edit]

It seems to me the "Coaching Record" table's legend ("National Championship," "Conference Title," and "Conference Division Title") is unclear. For instance: OSU went to the national championship bowl game in 2006 and in 2007. Admittedly, they lost those match-ups and were therefore only considered the conference champs, but the highlighting suggests the bowl game itself was only a conference bowl; not for the national championship. In fact, when I'd first read the table myself, I was quite confused as to why those two bowl games -- which I knew were both for the national title -- were labeled as conference titles. Is this an issue with the table template itself or with the application of the template on the page? And if the highlighting is only meant to indicate which tier of championship the team achieved that year, then wouldn't the conference standing be enough to indicate their division championship status? Additionally, the use of the table's "Standing" column is rather unclear. With some linking, one can derive that the column indicates the team's standing in their conference at the end of the regular season: the Buckeyes were tenth in the national standings going into the 2009 Fiesta Bowl game despite the fact that the standing column says they were tied for first. This is also not obvious at a glance, however, which is the entire purpose to using a table. —The SCSIBug (talk) 02:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem kind of confusing and it's possible there's a problem with the template. But, if you look at other coaches who have both won and lost NC games, (e.g. Bobby Bowden, Bob Stoops, and Pete Carroll) the tables are under the same format. Perhaps further discussion is needed. Bcspro (talk) 04:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He has also written a book "The Winners Manual: For the Game of Life" which can be found on Amazon etc. I think it is useful to mention that as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.119.79 (talk) 20:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone more knowledgeable might want to review the current stats on the Coaching Record Table. Someone's been changing things. I just changed an edit that had it showing he beat Florida for the championship in 2007. BLStevens (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity in the '2011 Suspension' subsection[edit]

It is important to pay special attention to the wording in this section -- mainly with the issue of the players who were part of a larger investigation by the FBI. What Tressel did wrong was not report info to the University in a timely manner. The reasons he gave for not disclosing the information quicker may or may not be relevant to the fact that what he did was wrong, but let's be sure that we keep it factually accurate: The Chillicothe Gazette article misrepresents the facts:

Tressel didn't inform anyone at Ohio State that he knew two of his players were part of a federal drug trafficking investigation because of a request for confidentiality. The investigation subsequently revealed the sale of Ohio State memorabilia by the athletes -- an NCAA violation.[[1]]

The Players weren't part of an investigation as being drug traffickers -- which is what this sounds like. They were selling their memorabilia (which is what they were ultimately suspended for) to a shop owner who was under investigation. They weren't suspected as accessories, they were coincidentally in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is important to make clear distinctions and keep this from drifting into more sinister ground. Tressel violated ethical standards, and NCAA rules, but he wasn't covering up criminal activity by his players. Which is why the section may just be sufficient to say that he was suspended for what not disclosing his players violations sooner and leave it at that. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested Corrections[edit]

1) Someone who is registered, please change where it says he had "an" 9-1 record vs. Michigan. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.207.140 (talk) 04:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of continuity, a parenthesised note of how many wins were vacated in 2010 should be added to that year. Note what was done on the Joe Paterno page when editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.69.32.223 (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scandal page[edit]

Considering it's extremely notable (easily the top story in the American sports world right now) shouldn't there be a separate page for the scandal? --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 19:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In time there should be a separate page. But since the NCAA investigation is still ongoing, and more revelations are sure to come out, let's wait a bit. I'm sure there will be no shortage of material to cover. Meanwhile, I wonder if this needs to be added to the list Christian Evangelical scandals... Favabeans78 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Um, no. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you could take your homer glasses off and consider the request objectively. If you're incapable of that, step aside and let someone who is talk this over. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 19:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No. Tressel is not the first or 50th famous coach to resign during a scandal, and won't be the last. Ylee (talk) 19:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And—since Kevin W. does not seem to be willing to assume good faith—my only connection to Ohio State is having watched a few of its games on TV. Ylee (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do assume good faith, but I'm well within my rights to accuse Ryecatcher of homerism when he lists Ohio State as his favorite team on his user page. Furthermore, Tressel may not be the first but this is certainly a huge story. I'm not just talking about Tressel's resignation, I'm talking about the entire scandal stretching back to when it was first uncovered. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 19:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is a blatant contradiction in your first sentence.
The two big college sports scandals I am aware of with standalone pages are SMU football scandal and Baylor University basketball scandal. One involved a state governor (!) and the NCAA death penalty, and the other a murder (!!!). By contrast, the recent USC football case doesn't have a standalone page. Ylee (talk) 19:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is definitely bigger than USC's case. You know, this might be better debated if we put it somewhere where more people are likely to notice it, as I do believe this does warrant debate. Any idea as to where it could go? --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 19:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO the scandal can stay on the Jim Tressel page as it is specifically about HIM. There are not larger issues involved that warrant a stand-alone scandal article. Mark Sublette (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's my understanding that the scandal goes beyond just Tressel because it involves a lot of players in addition to OSU's compliance staff, so it's bigger than that. Maybe we'll know when the NCAA hands down the penalties, as I'm pretty sure at the minimum it'll be a show-cause penalty for Tressel. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 20:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, as of now it is going beyond Tressel, but it started with, and is separate from, him. If anything, it should go on OSU's page and not on its own.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 20:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, good point. I started this topic here because I was reading something about Tressel and happened to get the idea in the process of reading. In retrospect, I should have started the discussion on OSU's page. Whoops. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 20:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'Well within (your) rights to accuse (me) of homerism'? Get over yourself. What on earth does homerism have to do with anything? First off, this article isn't my user page, and it's well policed by plenty of objective editors who aren't Ohio State fans who would also agree with me. You've mistaken my concise reply to your suggestion as being a sign of homerism... which it wasn't. Rather, it was a response to your apparent lack of attention to the history of college football scandals. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe there wouldn't have been an issue if you'd given a more nuanced response instead of just a mocking two-word "um, no." By responding like that you did nothing to dispel any doubts about your neutrality. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 21:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My edit history speaks for itself. And for anyone who watches college football, and has for at least 5 years, let alone the past 30 that I've been watching it, my response was sufficient... why use a sledgehammer to put a thumb tack in the wall? Ryecatcher773 (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW style-wise, just using my own alma mater article as an example, Clemson University had two sports scandals in the 1970s and 80s - one involving basketball and one involving football. The basketball probation is dealt with in the Tates Locke article, while the football controversy falls under the Clemson Tigers football program article and those of the two coaches involved Charlie Pell and Danny Ford. I suggest that coverage of the Tressel scandal follow similar guidelines... (Incidentally, I was present as a Tiger Band member at the Gator Bowl when Woody Hayes punched Charlie Bauman and lost his job.) Mark Sublette (talk) 01:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 01:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Tressel .750 winning percentage[edit]

Due to the 2010 season being vacated, Tressel's career record stands at 229-79-2, a winning percentage of .741.

Someone please verify to me that this mean he is NO LONGER a person to be listed on the .750 winning percentage page (nor should it be listed on this page). -Colslax (talk) 05:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Makes perfect sense to me. Vacated wins do not count toward a coach's record. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit request on 1 March 2013[edit]

On Jim Tressel's bio page, his college major is incorrectly listed as "computer science". Please change it from "computer science" to "education". Here is the current version: "Tressel also joined the Alpha Tau Omega fraternity while attending Baldwin–Wallace. In 1975, Tressel graduated from Baldwin–Wallace with a bachelor's degree in computer science.[5]". It should read "Tressel also joined the Alpha Tau Omega fraternity while attending Baldwin–Wallace. In 1975, Tressel graduated from Baldwin–Wallace with a bachelor's degree in education."

I met him today at a speaking engagement and asked him about his major. He told me that Wikipedia had it wrong and that people ask him about it all the time. Here is a source to site: http://www.uakron.edu/im/online-newsroom/news_details.dot?newsId=12aeee1b-5a28-495c-a9e7-2b2eebfcb39d&crumbTitle=Tressel%20named%20Vice%20President%20of%20Strategic%20Engagement or contact Media contact: Eileen Korey, 330-972-6476 or korey@uakron.edu for verification.

thanks Sondlerd (talk) 02:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done The source that was given for CS looks rather dubious from a WP:RS standpoint, especially for a BLP, and I'm certainly more inclined to trust Tressel and the university. BryanG (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jim Tressel/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs better sourcing, NPOV, and readability edits. Rkevins82 19:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC) STILL needs editing for punctuation, capitalization, etc. 190.62.111.237 (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 18:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC). Substituted at 19:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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