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My apologies for the unsigned comment, but this article lacks any discussion of Galliano's actual contributions to Fashion. What did he do that made him so great? How was it unique? Why is he so influential among other designers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.180.123.131 (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are none. His notoriety is entirely due to silly publicity stunts like telling the press that men should dress like 18th century catamites. 73.231.167.121 (talk) 08:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've done my best to make this slightly less sycophantic and cloying. It's still not clean and does not cite any sources. So if anyone can improve, that'd be great. The previous mess of toadying fashion quotes and adverts was appalling. --Brideshead 23:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have added citation needed tag to the claim that he was born in Gibraltar to Spanish parents... note that Galliano is a common name in Gibraltar, but not Spain. Also, changed birthplace from "Gibraltar, Spain" to just "Gibraltar". Gibraltar is not in Spain, and it's hard to think of how he could have been born in two different countries. 87.127.73.65 19:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only one of John Galliano's parents is Spanish his mother Ana Guillen Rueda who was born in La Linea which is the Spanish town that sits next to Gibraltar on the border. I know this because I am his 4th cousin and the family genealogist.

Through his father also John, John's Gibraltarian ancestry predates the arrival of the British on the Rock. On the Galliano side the earliest record I have is of his grandfather Alejandro Gallino who was born in Gibraltar in 1897, through his Grandmother Matilde Bosano, John is descended from the very earliest Genoese settlers on the Rock including two of the three earliest mentioned families the Berros and the Sturlas.

It was quite common through the 19th century and part of the 20th century for Gibraltarian men to marry Spanish women from across the border, owing to the small population of Gibraltar. In having a mother of Spanish origin John is far from unusual. Any offspring from such marriages would always be described as Gibraltarians.

Hope this helps. EddieLu 16:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting ancestry but the name also bears resemblance to the Greek Alexandros Gallanos, or the greek word for peaceful - gallini, coincidence? I have read historical documentation that Greeks founded cities in Spain eg., Emborio, (pronounced and spelt emporio in Italian) and another one that I can't think of at the moment.Get back to you on this.115.131.10.148 (talk) 06:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC) I'm back with some very interesting history i.e., Straights of Gibralatar was founded as the Pillars of Hercules so I give you the following as a guide from a site called "Hellenic Travels to the Past."[reply]

A few years ago I made it to Barcelona. During the course of site seeing I came across the ruins of “Teatre Grec” (Greek theatre). To say I was astonished would be an understatement. To say that I am Greek “blind” is also an understatement – a rare condition that disrupts a person’s vision so that they only see Greek things.

The site was closed but I remonstrated with the security guard. “My ancestors built that theatre – I demand to see it!!” This was my childish yet desperate attempt to see the site up close. The security guard was either amused or felt that there would be no harm in a deranged tourist from seeing the site. So I took some pictures and went on my merry way to the local tapas place in search of an elusive Greek salad. When I made it home to Australia I researched the old Greek theatre of Barcelona. Well lets just say it was old but not ancient. It was built in 1929 in a Greek style, hence the name. As for the so-called ruins I came across – it was in renovation phase. Despite my disappointment at not finding an ancient site in Barcelona it did however get me thinking (which can also be a rare phenomenon). Had there ever been a Greek presence in places such as Spain and Western Europe? I know for a fact that Hercules had been there. In previous articles I have talked about the Greeks that I met in Southern Italy – Magna Gracia. Now to find out what lies to the west of Magna Graecia. There were a number of Greek colonies and settlements in Spain, France, Monaco and Portugal (this last country consisted of a few traders and a visit by Hercules and me). The Greeks did not dominate these regions as they did in Magna Gracia or in the Cyrenaica in Libya for example, they did however have a lasting influence. One of the first Greeks to make it to the edge of the Mediterranean was a powerful and heroic man, and I’m not talking about me here. It was the great Hercules who built the Pillars of Hercules on either side of the Gibraltar straits to signify the supposed geographical limit of the known world. Herodotus tells us that another Greek, Captain Kolaios of Samos and his crew mistakenly sailed past the Pillars of Hercules and landed in the region of Tartessos in southern Spain (near Portugal) in the 7th century BC. The Greeks exchanged goods and whilst working on their tans made a strong friendship with the king. Kolaios and his crew returned to Samos with Iberian (Spanish) silver and minerals and stories of potential new trading lands. Within decades the Greeks had established a strong trading presence in Iberia and supplemented these activities by establishing settlements. Some scholars debate the size and the existence of a number of the settlements. It is certain that a town existed in the region approaching modern Gibraltar and within the boundaries of Tartessos. The town was called Mainake however not much is known about its history. Another town located in southern Iberia but facing the east was Hemerskopeion. These places ensured that Greek merchants could facilitate their trade with Iberians and had a base that was not controlled by their great rivals the Phoenicians. Many archeological sites in southern Spain have unearthed Greek pottery from the 700’s BC onwards. Phocaea – a name I can’t pronounce and is a place I have never been to. This was a great city on the coast of Asia Minor towards the Hellespont. It was captured by the Persians in 545BC, however its maritime activities in the 200 years prior to this date led to the establishment of some of the greatest cities in the world. During the great Greek colonial epoch of antiquity the Phocaeans established the colonies of Emporion and Rhode in northern Spain (above Barcelona). The latter colony was established before the ancient Olympic Games and the former was to become an important centre of commerce. The presence of Greeks in the southern regions of Spain and Portugal was to last until the seventh century AD when Byzantine control was overthrown. The Phocaeans established the colony of Massalia about 600BC. A local story tells us that Protis from Phocaea was invited to a “coming out” event by a local king for his daughter. Protis was your typical Adonis (or perhaps a Hercules) looking Greek so the girl fell in love with Protis and they were given as dowry the land in what would become Massalia. Massalia which today is known as Marseille (France) was to develop as a leading city in the Mediterranean and was the first Greek colony in the west to reach a population of over 1000. It was a city that remained independent until 49 BC when it was captured by Julius Caesar after a 6 month siege. The locals resisted as best as they could using all their Herculean reserves in the process. The City was one of the last of the Greek colonies in the far west to retain its Greek character and language, holding on at least until the arrival of the Visigoths in fifth century AD and into the next. Massalia founded a number of other colonies in the region including Agathe, Olbia, Antipolis and Nicaea. Nicaea was founded by the Massalians in 350BC after a victory over a neighbouring kingdom. The City was named after the Greek Goddess of Victory, Nike and is not to be confused with any sponsorship deals involving Tiger Woods. I have been to both Nice and Marseilles and it is amazing that from such humble, Greek origins they are today large and vibrant French cities. Another great City that owes its development to the Greeks is that of Monaco. Founded as Monoikos by the Massalians in the sixth century BC it is also known as the Port of Hercules after he stopped off here during his travels. And like Hercules I too stopped here many years ago for a quick drink. There are other areas of France where the Greeks had small trading settlements or like Alalia in Corsica had established a significant town. Speaking of Corsica, its time to point out that the Byzantine Empire – the medieval Greek empire, held the island of Corsica and all of the Mediterranean islands for a significant period during the sixth and seventh centuries AD (not BC). The Byzantine rule during this epoch also extended to southern Spain and northern Africa. This ensured that towns that were formerly Greek colonies and many of the people living in those locations continued to speak Greek or identify with that culture. However, unlike Byzantine control of Magna Gracia or the Cyrenaica in Libya it would be difficult to say that the Greek speakers were overwhelming dominant in those areas. The Greeks were responsible not only for establishing so many prominent colonies and trade but for introducing olive and wine to France. It was the Greeks who introduced these products to France and ensured that wine was made in that region for years to come. Think about it, what would the world be like if French wine was not produced the way we know it? So the moral of my story is, next time you think you have come across an ancient Greek theatre, please make sure it is. Otherwise you might just find a series of Greek colonies and some anecdotes about Hercules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.10.148 (talk) 06:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Galliano's picture[edit]

I've got some pictures of John Galliano but I'm not too confident in uploading them, as I'm afraid they'll get taken off. Is it okay to post pictures from a site as long as I provide a link to them? Wengistein 10:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it would not be. Copyrighted pictures of living people should not be uploaded. ShadowHalo 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is he married, has he got any kids?[edit]

theres nowt about his relationships in the personal section, just guff about his fitness reime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.202.127 (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a look at this http://www.rainbownetwork.com/UserPortal/Article/Detail.aspx?ID=1208 you'll see that hes on the list for influential gay persons for the 2007. Nothing about his personal life though :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.189.69 (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A GAY nazi!? That's new! Nomad (talk) 07:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it isn't new at all. See SA and "Rohm, Ernst"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.113.143 (talk) 02:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Nationality[edit]

In reply to the recent edits by Anon, I have read WP:MOSBIO and in this case Gibraltarian is not an ethnicity as he was born there and lived there for some time. Being Spanish in his case would be ethnicity as only his mother was Spanish, so that shouldn't be in the lead as it was originaly. There is no need to mention that he is British in the lead as being Gibraltarian also means being British by default. Besides, his nationality is clearly stated as British in the infobox. Hope you now understand why I changed it. --Gibmetal 77talk 22:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gibraltarian is a Nationality?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.240.231 (talk) 21:58, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish name customs[edit]

If Galliano is a British citizen, why does this article follow Spanish name customs? The articles of other known Gibraltarians (eg. Solomon Levy, Kaiane Aldorino) follow British name customs. Kaiane Aldorino also has Spanish ancestry, just like Galliano. --81.154.79.79 (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. He doesn't use spanish naming customs nor does anyone else in Gibraltar. I'm going to ammend it, if anyone can produce evidence to the contrary they should do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.65.49.99 (talk) 15:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suspension and dismissal[edit]

Perhaps it is tedious but it worth quoting a substantial part of the content from this section, because it is obvious with a little reflection that it is composed with a POV: to be specific, with an intent to defend Galliano and make light of his antisemitic remarks:

"Not everyone in the fashion industry shared Portman's disgust. Stylist and costume designer Patricia Field defended Galliano by sending an email blast to 500 friends, blogs and media. She dismissed Galliano's rants as 'theatre.' Later, in a phone interview with Women's Wear Daily, she described Galliano’s videotaped behaviour as “farce” and said she was bewildered that people in the fashion community have not recognised it as such. 'It's theatre ... It's farce. But people in fashion don’t recognise the farce in it. All of a sudden they don't know him. But it's OK when it's Mel Brooks's The Producers singing "Springtime for Hitler", Field added. Another model for Dior, French actress Eva Green, said of the incident: 'Sometimes, you can make mistakes. I don't think he's anti-semitic. I'm Jewish. I don't think he has anything against the Jews. I think it's more that he was probably a bit drunk.' Various rumours have also surfaced stating that he was set up. 'From the very first day of Fashion Week, many editors have been saying that Dior wanted to get rid of him and that a plot like this would save it from having to pay him a reported £17 million', said Marcellous L. Jones, editor-in-chief of fashion web magazine TheFashionInsider.com."

I object to the not-so-hidden agenda behind this section of the article; just in terms of quantity, it occupies an inordinate amount of space. Perhaps he was just being provocative and outrageous; it doesn't matter. You DON'T make jokes like that about the holocaust. Anyone who has seen the Producers knows that Mel Brooks does NOT joke about it, the humor concerns show business, besides which, fair or not, the fact that he is Jewish immunizes him to a certain extent against charges of anti-Semitism. Galliano cannot continue to head Dior, what he said (on more than one occasion) is unforgivable, and Dior MUST dismiss him on financial grounds alone, if he was retained the label would be boycotted by the many people (not just Natalie Portman!) offended by his odious remarks, and the protests outside his shows would be a major distraction attracting as much or more media attention than the shows themselves.helio 04:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place to judge and condemn. The purpose is to articulate facts into a coherent whole that delivers the gist of a subject. Nathalie Portman's opinion is anecdotal in this story, just like Eva Green's opinion. The first paragraph is a good summary of the situation, but the second containing the actresses' point of view can be summed up to "The show-business industry expressed mixed feelings towards the designer's anti-semitic speech". AND ADD SOURCES --> [1][2]
--Rubyface (talk) 12:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dior Suspension - Portman comments will prove to be critical[edit]

Oscar-Winner Natalie Portman was 'Disgusted' By John Galliano's Anti-Semitic Comments[3]. --70.162.171.210 (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well he is given the sack already, but these comments were known at February 23rd. If it was correct of Dior to sack him, why wait by six days?--85.164.223.159 (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Check the information, give his 80-pages contract to the lawyers to find the official reason to sack the nazi. It all takes time, considering they were madly getting ready for the fashion week and were suddenly left without the main man for the job. Nomad (talk) 07:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

John Galliano's Comeback[edit]

Mardiste (talk) 01:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO BE ARRANGED PROPERLY! IT has his trial and suspension and then goes into inspiration and honors. It needs to be switched IMMEDIATELY. Do it now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.103.230 (talk) 08:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do it yourself. Userpd (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I support 24.210.103 & Userpd (including copy ed cleanup) but it would be easier if it was unlocked. (Manytexts) 110.32.239.180 (talk) 10:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Monitoring site[edit]

Given the news attn, Wiki editors might be vigilant about this article for the next while. It had 136k hits on Mar. 1st, when the title description was changed to "neo-Nazi". I've reverted that & edited the text for grammar and smoothing, as we can expect it to get much attn. Let's try to make Wikipedia look good and reliable to those drawn to it here, who might not otherwise know it.Alethe (talk) 08:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vigilance?![edit]

Wikipedia is the only reference work that gives Galliano's year of graduation as 1988. It's impossible to search for a date at the latest CSM website, but its student mag [1] writes of his "graduation show from Saint Martins “Les Incroyables”, 1984" and publishes an "invite to Galliano’s stand at London Fashion Week" during October 1984. The Guardian cites 1984 here [2] and there's a video of his graduation show at YT dated June 1984 - [3]

    • Enrolment:**

Biography.com claims he enrolled in 1981 and then completely misnames and misspells the school at which he enrolled! - [4] - The venerable Britannica gives 1980 as the year he enrolled and cites 1984 for his graduate collection - [5] Why are today's encyclopedias run by people who cannot confirm even the simplest facts? What about picking up the phone and ringing CSM? 217.155.200.241 (talk) 03:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

G. Galliano? Was this ever the name of a label or line?[edit]

I've never heard of the label or line "G. Galliano". The John Galliano S.A. site makes mention of second lines introduced in 2007 but does not name them "G. Galliano" or use any other name for them. This entire sentence needs greater clarity and a citation: "Between his own label and Dior, Galliano produced six couture and ready-to-wear collections a year and a mid-season range under his own name "G Galliano"". I assume what is meant is two haute couture for Dior, two ready to wear for Dior, and two ready to wear for his eponymous label. I feel this sentence should be removed unless someone can bring greater clarity to the situation, with at least one citation that is not a cut and paste from this Wikipedia article placed on another site.Ctconnolly (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-semitic section too long[edit]

In terms of morals, John Galliano certainly crossed the line, but that shouldn't let the Wikipedia community tolerate the over-emphasis on the anti-semitic controversy (This paragraph takes one fourth of the whole article). Below is a list of elements I am removing to clear all unnecessary bits of the story.

  • Anti-Semitic remarks and repercussions

--> Switched to "controvery" to avoid too much interpretation

  • The video was licensed to British tabloid The Sun, which published the video on its website.[6]
  1. ^ http://1granary.com
  2. ^ http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/07/central-saint-martins-louise-wilson
  3. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8betvB-mMVs&feature=youtu.be
  4. ^ http://www.biography.com/people/john-galliano-20656947#early-life
  5. ^ http://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Galliano
  6. ^ White, Richard (28 February 2011). "Film of John Galliano's racist rant in bar". London: The Sun.

--> Interesting fact, but an outlying one in this story

  • Despite these comments, the fact remained that anti-Semitic speech is not considered "theatre": it is illegal in France, and Galliano had broken the law.

--> No source, and the tone is clearly not NPOV, rewritten as "In France, scandering anti-semitic ideas is illegal".

  • Various rumours have also surfaced stating that he was set up. "From the very first day of Fashion Week, many editors have been saying that Dior wanted to get rid of him and that a plot like this would save it from having to pay him a reported £17 million", said Marcellous L. Jones, editor-in-chief of fashion web magazine TheFashionInsider.com.[1]
  1. ^ Knight, Kathryn. "Why Galliano imploded: The fashion king is now in rehab fighting his obsession with his own Jewish roots". Daily Mail. London.

--> Wikipedia is not the place to corroborate rumors

  • He had reportedly apologised "unreservedly" for his behavior, while Dior described the comments in the video as "odious".

--> Repetitive & unsourced

  • The Daily Telegraph reported that it is believed Galliano has now left France and he was reported to be attending a rehabilitation facility, most likely The Meadows in Arizona."[1] A Paris court ordered that he stand trial on charges of "public insults based on the origin, religious affiliation, race or ethnicity" against three people.[2]
  1. ^ Belinda White, "John Galliano To Stand Trial," Daily Telegraph 2 March 2011.
  2. ^ "Dior presents last collection by disgraced designer John Galliano". CBS. Associated Press. 4 March 2011. Retrieved 5 March 2011.

--> Repetitive, we don't need to know where he was at the moment of the trial if it had no impact on the outcome of the story

  • Criminal charges

--> Removed subtitle, using just one is unnecessary

Looks much better, doesn't it? --Rubyface (talk) 13:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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