Talk:Lahore/Archive 1

Archive 1

Shimla Pahari

Tomb of BeBe-Pakdaman

Can anyone substantiate the existence of this tomb, and the veracity of the linked article? -- The Anome 22:36, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

what is the area of Lahore/

Reply This tomb does exist. It is located off of a road off the Durand Road near Shimla Pahari at the end of a tiny street that has such a small entrance that you could easily walk past it and not even realize that at the end of the street is this tomb. But the tomb is very famous in the area and is the cause of much economic activity by people selling flowers and such. Go to Queen Mary College for Women or the Convent of Jesus & Mary, and ask ANYONE where's Bi Bi Pak Daman and he/she will show you the way. The pictures in the Bi Bi Pak Daman article are real and are of the genuine article.

Mohammadan Anglo Oriental College

The cricinfo article on Dilawar Hussain [1] says that he was the Principal of MAO College in Lahore. I couldn't find the name of the college in the list in the article. Is the college still around ? Tintin 04:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the college is very much around. It is commonly called M.A.O. college and very few Lahoris are aware that that stands for Mohammadan Anglo Oriental College!

Lahore Spelling

I changed the ه in لاهور to a چهوٹى ەے . Also capitalized a few proper nouns and adjectival nouns, like Lahori, which conforms with the wikipedia policy on capitalization. Then added Bapsi Sidhwa to famous Lahoris. Besides Lollywood, a film that had a wider audience - Earth - was set in Lahore. Although I have no idea where it was really filmed. Good luck to anyone with finding any reliable religious demographics, since the Pakistani government is going to pad the Sunni stats. Khirad 23:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

pictures

we need tutorials for you guys on uploading images. also - where is Foreign Service Academy? lahore, nei? Shazzamm 16:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Famous Lahoris

Most of the names in Famous Lahori section do not belong to Lahore. Please dont spread misinformation via wikipedia. I have added the name of governor general of Pakistan (1951-55) Malik Ghulam Muhammad in the list, who was born in Lahore in 1895. M. Imran, 2 February 2006, 11:15 (UTC)

I agree with M. Imran. Please remove names that are not related with Lahore. --Spasage 06:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

REMOVED from Famous Lahoris

Mohammad Waseef Aadil , never heard of him and doesnt seems to me a famous person. Can anyone coment on it? i know him :) if u dun knw it dzt mean dat every 1 dun knwz abt hm Fahadhabib 11:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Holidays

What do Eid-ul-Fitr & Eid-ul-Adha have to do with Lahore ? do Lahoris celebrate is different then the rest of Pakistan ?, these two holidays dont seem to be linked to lahore, for example u can say that the horse and cattle show is linked with Lahore, or that basant is very celebrated in Lahore, but the same cant be true for Eid-ul-Fitr & Eid-ul-Adha. These two holidays are mentioned in the Pakistan article. I suggest their removal from this article. Please discuss digitalSurgeon 12:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed one image and put another

I have removed on of the images on this page and put another. The removed image is Image:Mr(1935).jpg and the replaced image is Image:Gawal Mandi.JPG. I removed the picture because it was not of a good quality. --Andy123(talk) 15:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Area

Is there an official source for the 1014 km2 and 404 km2 figures in the article. Geohive.com lists the old Lahore district as 1,772 km2. If the city district and old Lahore district are coterminous, then the area should be updated. My impression is the 404 km2 figure excludes Lahore Cantonment. Polaron 22:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Switching sides of pictures

I have noticed something in this article - all of the pictures are on the right hand side. I think that they should be switched around. This will make the article look more professional. If any new pictures are added, please make them in accordance with the new sides. Thanks. Stallions2010 00:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The LHE-infobox

I have moved the information from the infobox directly into the article so that the infobox can be deleted. Just in case anyone is considering creating new infoboxes, please remember that the purpose of such templates is to share them between several articles. One article having it's own infobox is a waste of wikipedia resources, no matter how unique that article is. Green Giant 16:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The new infobox is called Template:Pakistani Cities which will be used for the major cities of Pakistan. Green Giant 17:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes should be called Infobox Something Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Shopping

The Shopping section needs to be re-written, it seems like an advertisment. Also, you can't label restaurants and shops "world class" without citations. Ozzykhan 20:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Administrative Town

I am quite sure that Faisal Town, Wapda Town are not considered administrative towns in the local government setup.Whoever has written this portion has mixed/confused localities with administrative towns.Awais 06:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Amusement Parks for Youngsters

For youngsters, there is no information on Amusement/Theme parks. Can any body come up with a list and locations. I know of Joy Land and Sindbad that are close to Fortress Stadium. Then there ale Jallo Park and Sozo Park nera the canal Benk (northern part of Lahore) Please let me know others

Enjay

They have been added to the article, thankyou for point in them out. --Fast track 19:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Love Tale of Ghaznavi and Ayaz

I am unable to figure out the connection between Lahore and the love affair. If someone wants to narrate the connection, one must do it at the articles concerning Mahmood and Ayaz. This article has got nothing to do with King becoming the slave of his own slave and everyhting else. All that is required is the conquest and the appointment of Ayaz as governor. There is no citation for the affair too. I am removing the unrelated passage from the article.voldemortuet 20:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Lahore Area

Please write about the Lahore Area in KiloMeters

Un neutral History

please please write neutral history. Muslims always say they have created Lahore. There was Sikh Buddhist and Hindu contrubution. Lahore was Hindu/Sikh Majority town until 1947.

No offence all the Buddhists in Lahore and Multan were converted into Islam and taken the control of the towns.

Sikh History

We need a section on the Sikh History of Lahore, when it was a capital of the Sikh Empire. There are many famous Gurudwaras (Sikh places of worship) in Lahore proper and environs. This would create a more complete picture of Lahore. Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

Hindu History

We need a section on the Hindu history of Lahore. Till 1947 Lahore was a Hindu majority town (a fact not known by most people). Let us talk about the culture, temples etc. Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

That's because it is not a fact but a figment of your imagination.

Yes I agree, a section is certainly needed. In fact Lahore was not a Hindu majority town at partition, but most businesses were owned by Hindus. no most hindus were working for muslims once the british came it changed the stole from muslims and handed over there wealth to hindus.

Buddhist History

I would like to see the Buddhist history of Lahore. During the time of Ashoka, Buddhism was widely practiced in the region.Are there any monuments remaining? Any artwork? Please keep this proposed new section neutral. The goal is NOT to re-visit old fights. Just document history.

Todo

• History
  • pre-1252 history
  • Post-1700 history
• Demographics
  • age distribution
  • religions
• Climate
• Famous Lahorians (sp?)
• Rule of the Mughals
• Maps of Lahore

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Spelling of Lahore

Hi, the Urdu version of lahore needs to join the ChoTi he to the vav that is precedes.

Spelling of Lahore

Hi, the Urdu version of Lahore needs to join the ChoTi he to the vav that is precedes.

Sites of Interest Section Sorting out

The site of interest in the Lahore article needs to be redone again with subheading such as momuments, parks, shopping, mosques, moseleoums etc with a list under each subheading leading to the articles.

At the moement it is very hard to understand? The information seems to be very mixed up!

Agreed, this section needs to sorting out with proper heading and sections. User talk:Fast track 26 January 2006

Lots of changes & Improvements to the article done

I have redone the article to improve its quaality;

1. Infobox images changes from Badshahi Mosque to Minar-ePakistan
2. Formed paragraphs for many of the sections and removed excessive images that crowded many of the sections
3. Moved the text relating to the Walled City to the Walled City of Lahore article and added links to the Gates which can be expanded upon.
4. Made a list of the sites of interest like the Karachi article that should be expanded upon in the articles and not this article!
5. Combined the Georgaphy and Climate sections and wrote separate paragraphs for each
6. Combined the Industry and Manufacturing section with the Economy sections as they were talking about similiar things
7. Festivals and Celebrations are now under the heading of Culture and formed paragraphs for each festivals.
8. Education and univeristy list have their own article, so if you wich to add more university and colleges to the list add in the appropriate articles.
9. Transport section, formed paragraphs out of the sub sections and releated it to Lahore and removed the excessive pics in that section.

I shall continue improving this article. Do leave comments about what you think of the changes and recommend any suggestions -- Fast track 02:49 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Rule of the Mughals

The author refers to "south asia" in the article when then better or more accurate term would be "India", "Hindoostan" or "Indo-Pak" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.213.46.131 (talk)

India is a modern country now. and South Asia has never been called Hindustan. How would it me more accurate? Unre4LITY 22:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Too many photos

There are too many photos on the page, some of them don't deserve to be there, many are clogged up at the bottom, I'm removing some of them, the rest need to be arranged as well. 68.50.130.37 06:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

e.g. "A shopping mall in downtown Lahore", "The magnificent Catholic Cathedral built by the British" 68.50.130.37 06:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

History Rearranged

I have rearranged the history . Divided it into sections .. dont remove the sikh section . it is a fact that sikhs destroyed many old mughal momentums and what they build was not compare to that of the old mughal architechture but i'll try to add more neutral information or if some one can .i also removed the persian empire thing lahore was never the capital of punjab before late dehli sultantat and mughal perioded and was never under persian empire . they never came east of indus.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Safiuddinkhan (talk • contribs) 13:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Article Rearranged

I have rearranged all the article according to articles of other international cities so but still it needs more and better qualtity of information

Safiuddinkhan 15:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

GA review

Article is well organized into good sections. Prose looks good overall. However, there is a serious lack of reference citations. For an article this long, it only has five citations, which is insufficient. I could list specific items that need cited, but it's really most of the article, so that's pointless. WP:CITE would have some useful information in how to format and use inline citations.

The 'sites of interest' and 'other sites' sections are also just lists. These sections should be written out as prose. I would also recommend combining these sections, and possibly including them as a subsection under 'culture', since they're primarily cultural attractions. The 'Lahore in literature' section might also be moved to a subsection under 'culture' as well, possibly creating a new section for 'in popular culture', containing other pop culture, music, song, and other literature references.

The long list of business in the economy section would probably also be better if it was moved to a separate page (e.g. List of Businesses in Lahore) and linked as a see also at the end of the section.

The 'external links' section is a bit long, and several links could probably be removed. You might find it useful to review WP:EL here.

The good article criteria can be found here. Good luck! Dr. Cash 19:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Preservation of Architecture

"Due to Lahore's rich history, the Mughal and colonial architecture has still been preserved in all its splendour." This does not make sense anyone know what was meant? Thehalfone 20:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe something like "Mughal and colonial architecture belonging to Lahore's rich history has still been preserved in all its splendour." --Webkami 12:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced Sources/Grammar

This article needs to cite its sources. I tagged it three days ago, but since then the banner has been removed. I am re-tagging the article for citations, and I will use the "citation needed" note wherever sources are not cited. If we want to make this a good and later a featured article, we will have to cite our sources.

Also, the grammar and spelling of this article are not very good. I'm tagging the article for this, too.

If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

--Stallions2010 20:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I am from the WP:LoCE and wanted to let you know that we will not complete a proofread of this article until you have resolved the many citation tags in the article. You are welcome to relist it with us once the only remaining issues are with style, grammar, etc. Thanks! Galena11 14:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

JINAAY LAHORE NAHIN WAKHIYA WOH JAMIYA HI NAHIN

I have added this recently to the main page here. I was also born in Lahore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 00:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sikh History

I have put something neutral here but it is fact that sikhs destroyed many momentums of lahore and misused many others and fought with each other until ranjit singh came and in his reign things became stable and tried to remove many things but still many building were still misused . it is not about that they treated muslims bad or hindus and sikhs good . it is that these things happens . in many areas where muslims ruled they misused many hindu and sikh buildings . so plz dont remove this section i have put it from some authentic source put neutrality is disputed sign over it if you dont agree with me. Safiuddinkhan 15:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

really??where are your facts and where is your source???--all bullshit.

btw its Maharaja Ranjit Singh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.237.241 (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

REQUEST

The famous saying about Lahore is the main thing about Lahore. These sayings are heard by every Lahori who has lived there and I did not make this up on my own so please keep this new section there. You may want to update them if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 02:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This is WIKIPEDIA - not Youtube or Yahoo or Geocities or a blog. IF these are famous sayings then provide a reliable source - for example an academic source or a newspaper or a book. It is simply not good enough for you to say that your edit is true. Yey baatan ko koi khas beyan hai ya ney? Green Giant (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The History Section

Why is the history section so long when it already refers to a main article?. I think it should be trimmed down to two or at most three paragraphs and something also should be done about those images. The are not serving any real purpose.  UzEE  05:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Climate

The climate section suffers from two problems - first of all, the average temperatures are completely incorrect, according to Climate Zoneand Weather Base - however, bizarrely enough, Weather Base is cited for the chart. Additionally, the graph (which has the correct temperatures) overlaps the incorrect figures - I'm not sure the article can be rearranged to fit it in as long as the chart is there. I'm changing the monthly chart to conform with the Weather Base numbers, and I'll leave the graph alone for now - perhaps someone else can find a way to fit it.

Bob19191 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured article status

The article on many Indian cities like Delhi and Mumbai are featured articles. This article is good but not as good as the one on Delhi. However, if effort is made, it can reach FA status too. I will try make some improvements. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 08:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:100px-Pk-punj.PNG

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Lahore fort

Lahore fort is the famous landmark of lahore but its picture is not displayed at the main page of lahore.so i put it there as well as a good picture of lahore railway station —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Safiuddinkhan (talk • contribs) 18:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

Built in 1673, the Badshahi Mosque is a prime example of Mughal Architecture.

Jahangir's mausoleum in Shahdara, Lahore

Shalimar Gardens

Alamgiri Gate

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.63.146 (talk) 09:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

peer Review

Lahore

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Huntthetroll comments: This is a beautiful article about a beautiful city, but it's not quite FA-quality yet. A few nitpicks, mostly about grammar and style because I only have a passing knowledge of Pakistan's history:

• The following sentence in the introduction needs to be re-written for clarity: "Mughal structures such as the Badshahi Mosque, Ali Hujwiri, Lahore Fort, Shalimar Gardens and the mausoleums of Jehangir, and Nur Jehan are popular tourist spots in the city." The multiple conjuctions and inclusion of scholar Ali Hujwiri as a "structure" could confuse some readers—I mean, you and I can tell, for instance, that the sentence is referring to Hujwiri's tomb rather than the man himself, but less astute readers might not.
  • I've attempted to fix the problem with this alteration. Let me know what you think. Huntthetroll (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• The next sentence states that some older structures in Lahore "still retain their Mughal-Gothic style." This piques my curiosity. What, exactly, is "Mughal-Gothic style"? Is it a kind of architecture? I can't tell from this sentence, or, for that matter, from the rest of the article—indeed, this is the only mention of Mughal-Gothic anything in the entire text. Perhaps a link or two would help, or maybe additional information in the body of the article.
  • I found out that this phrase does in fact refer to a style of British colonial architecture known as Indo-Gothic or Indo-Saracenic. Therefore, I changed the above sentence to reflect that. Huntthetroll (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• In the second introductory paragraph, the comments about linguistic change in Lahore and the nickname Lahori Punjabi could definitely use some citations.
• Throughout the article, there are quite a few glaring tags that need to be addressed, especially in the History and Culture sections—which, come to think of it, might also benefit from being broken into subsections. The citations themselves could use some formatting; I tend to use templates from Wikipedia:Template_messages/Sources_of_articles#Citations_of_generic_sources when I have to format citations.
• There is also a light smattering of subtle grammatical errors throughout the article: missing definite articles, run-on sentences, random capitalization, random boldface, etc. I think some of it is just sneaky vandalism.
  • Cleaned up the History section—still needs citations, subsections and POV-checking, though. Huntthetroll (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Organized the History section into subsections & organized images into a gallery so they don't mess up the formatting. Huntthetroll (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Also cleaned up geography & climate, civic administration & economy sections. Huntthetroll (talk) 19:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• Finally, a big no-no: one of the citations refers to another Wikipedia article, the List of countries by GDP (PPP). We can't have Wikipedia articles citing other Wikipedia articles; otherwise the encyclopedia would tend to become a giant echo chamber, entirely divorced from anything resembling objective reality.
  • The information alleged to have come from the other Wikipedia article didn't even agree with what the article said. I removed both the inaccurate information and the spurious citation. Huntthetroll (talk) 19:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I can definitely help out with fixing the grammar and cleaning up the style, but the lack of citations worries me. I'm not sure I can help with that, as I suspect that I would have to sift through sources written in languages that I do not understand (like Punjabi and Urdu). All in all, though, this is a detailed and fascinating article with great FA potential. Keep up the good work representin' Pakistan on Wikipedia. Huntthetroll (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: To be honest, this article needs a lot of work. It's full of dubious information, and often poorly written misinformation at that. However, it also contains a lot of useful, relevant and verifiable information. I think that you could greatly improve the article simply by finding more references, and double-checking what's already in the article against those references. Given the size of the article and the importance of its subject, it needs at least twice as many citations as it has. If you can fix that, this article will be much, much closer to being FA material. Huntthetroll (talk) 19:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

At the bottom of Article, In sister cities of Lahore section Tel Aviv (Israel) is mentioned. This is incorrect. Pakistan never had any relations with Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydney2020 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Why Lahore written in Gurmukhi Script?

Since this script is not recognised or written in Pakistan, there is not point to write the city name in this script in this article. --Mm11 (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The whole language Punjabi is not recognised in Pakistan. So we should remove it too?

Hi

New articles on Bamba Sutherland and Bamba Muller. Anyone care to add, enhance etc. About to appear on DYK in next few daysVictuallers (talk) 10:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Ayaz is connected with Lahore, please add the story of Ayaz again!

QadeemMusalman (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)Ayaz was the slave of Mahmud of Ghazni, when Mahmud conquered Punjab, he made Lahore the capital of his Indian dominions. Moreover, he bestowed the Vilayat of Lahore on Ayaz, Ayaz's grave is also located in Lahore. So there is a connection!!!

There's a post above about this - does that help? Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 17:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Demographics

The figures quoted for the various nationalities under demographics appear to bear no relation to the total population given in the 1998 census. For example, 6.8 million is not 80 per cent of 6.3 million. The citation given is not from a reliable source. If more reliable figures cannot be found, the numbers should be removed, leaving just the proportions. Skinsmoke (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Daewoo Express.jpg Nominated for Deletion

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Map image breaches policy & has been removed

There is currently a deletion discussion taking place at Commons regarding File:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg, which can be viewed here. Regardless of whether the map image is deleted at Commons, I think that it needs to be removed from all English Wikipedia articles because it breaches our synthesis policy. The image creator has provided a long list of sources in the deletion discussion and it is evident from those that none contain all of the information shown in the image, nor is it a simple task to work out which bits of information were gleaned from which source(s). We simply do not permit people to aggregate information in this way. It should also be noted that the chances are very high that the various sources did not even adopt the same methodology in compiling their data, which makes the analysis of the creator even more suspect.

I have removed the image because the Commons discussion may end up as something other than "delete" and yet the thing is still invalid on English Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 18:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Map was deleted on two reasons. 1... Commons deletion discussion but now Deletion request by Sitush has been rejected on Wikimedia Commons. 2... Sitush has a self perception that map is synthesis, which is actually not because it is based on latest research of 2007 in the Publication named 'The Indo-Aryan Languages' by George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain. So I am re inserting it. Unless Sitush prove it again as a synthesis and refer me the areas of map being synthesized also mentioning the different publications along with page numbers where from in his kind opinion I have synthesized the map.Maria0333 (talk) 08:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Lahore - why not also in (native) Sanskrit script?! or (native) Punjabi Gurmukhi script?

If Lahore is such an ancient city, why is there no script showing the how Lahore would look like in Sanskrit? Some people might say it should be in Indian Punjabi, I believe it is called Gurumukhi Punjabi? Well from what I have come across is that there were more Hindus living in Lahore than Sikhs. Then the question is whether they wrote and spoke Punjabi or Hindi? Especially because Sir Ganga Ram, who as per the article, is attributed to much of Lahore's gorgeous architecture in the early 1900s. Also, should there even be Lahore written in the persianized script of Punjabi (Shahmukhi??) if it is not even recognized language in the province of Punjab, Pakistan? lilpiglet 09:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits by Lilpiglet & My suggestions

There was a reference to Lahore being 8th largest city of Islamic countries which was removed by Lilpiglet, i want someone to look into this and restore that. There was a Vogue tower image added by Wanishahrukh which was also removed by her. I want someone to look into that as well, although i could have restored it myself since placing of that image by another user and then re-adding by me constitutes WP:CONSENSUS on Wikipedia: Manual of Style but i want to calm the situation and have somebody else play as mediator.

Regarding Urdu spelling of Lahore, at its current setting, it looks very odd since the link between "hey" and "wow" should extend a little more, it does not look aesthetically beautiful and i suggest small "hey" should be replaced with big "hey", the one with two eyes or however you describe it. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 19:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

First of all, I am glad that you have begun address things in talk pages. However, I am busy at this moment and will respond by later on tonight or tomorrow. In the meantime, just a few things on from on top of my head, you can read Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion and consensus buidling is WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. Another reason was because it does not belong in the intro of the article because it is not mentioned in the article as per WP:MOS and is not consistent WP:MOS#Link as none of the other cities of that organization also do not mention that in their intro (or even article at all), which makes sense due to WP:BETTER#STAYONTOPIC and WP:ISNOT. As for the pictures, have you seen the article? Until either you or someone else does not conform it to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images regretfully no matter how good the pictures will be, will be deleted when comparing it to other cities in featured content articles. Lastly, can you provide a source from reliable source the spelling of Lahore in Punjabi. Thanks lilpiglet 22:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk), I do agree that perhaps if you strongly believe List of largest cities in Organisation of Islamic Cooperation member countries needs to be included on the page, that's a great place to put the information. Now you must finish off what you started, which would be to have that mentioned on every city that is part of that organization ... that way it will help to build a consensus. When do you think you will have that done by? Furthermore I will be making other redundant deletions on the article as well as the picture (FYI: I am the one who put up the new display picture of the city as well as many other minor but significant details ... so I am not against you or Pakistanis, just updating information that is relevant to the international encyclopedia standards to make it eventually a featured article). lilpiglet 05:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilpiglet (talk • contribs)

This is no argument that if articles about other cities do not mention something then Lahore should not mention too and this is also not fair that one person keeps talking and the other person keeps doing her controverical edits. I will urge you to stop editing all those pages where controversy exists and start talking and come to a resolution before making anymore edits. In the meantime, i will be reverting all of your controvercial edits to the point from where you started making those and then let's start talking and come to a resolution before adding them again. Controvercial edits done by you should be removed first then both of us cease to edit, talk, resolve and then start editing. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 12:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

May 27 2014 Murder in front of courthouse

To not include a comment about the murder of a pregnant woman in front of the Lahore courthouse in the middle of the day by 20 family members is outrageous. While the content of the comment can be debated and edited, to completely ignore and hide this story which is being published by Reuters, Associated Press and virtually every major news outlet in the world, it throws a light on wikipedia as being selective in the information it shares. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.197.20.197 (talk) 05:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

This was a horrible crime and decent people are revolted by it. However:
An encyclopaedia is not a news sheet and should not try to record every crime committed. In this case the crime is apparently commonplace in Pakistan "Around 1,000 Pakistani women are killed every year by their families in honor killings, according to Pakistani rights group the Aurat Foundation." The crime is apparently accepted by the authorities (see the full text of the Reuters link provided by 209.197.20.197)
The crime is not specific to Lahore, so does not belong in this article An expanded version, showing the widespread nature of the crime and the culpability of the Pakistan authorities may perhaps belong in Culture of Pakistan. Apuldram (talk) 12:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

City of Lahore population

I reverted the edit by 80.160.93.238, who misread the table in the source he/she cited. The source gives the population of the Lahore City District as 6,318,745. This figure was already mentioned in the lead text. The figure added by 80.160.93.238 appears to be for the whole Lahore region, which includes other districts – for example, Sheikhupura and Nankana Sahib. Apuldram (talk) 17:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Lahore

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Offer to take pictures from a resident of Lahore: name your interest

Wikipedia has received an OTRS ticket (VRTS ticket # 2015091210008907) from a local in Lahore eager to be assigned some subjects for photographs— if anyone knows of historical or cultura subject matter in Lahore that could use some additional pictures, please either ping me here in a message by typing [[user:KDS4444]] somewhere in your message or leave me a note on my talk page and I will pass the request along to him. Offers like this are uncommon, especially from places as remote as inland Pakistan. To me, this seems like a great and rare opportunity, and I hope someone will want take advantage of it! Please let me know. Thank you! KDS4444^Talk 01:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

country

The first line reads about "the country", no naming such a country.--157.92.4.76 (talk) 19:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)  Done: "the country" →‎ Pakistan. Apuldram (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Area of Lahore

Area of Lahore is close to 550sq.km. The article says it's 1770sq.km. And it references a link but there is not page found on the reference link. Can someone please check and correct this. Thanks ! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.189.210.78 (talk) 14:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Better/more sources needed=

I've been trying to edit the article and unify the writing style so it doesnt feel so disjointed. I've noticed that lots of stuff in this article has no citation, or has really old citations. Updated/inserted references would be helpful.Willard84 (talk) 07:27, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Don't be shy about removing material that is unsourced or very badly sourced if it strikes you as unnecessary or seriously flawed. That's part of the editing process. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2016

Simple grammar error in third opening para: "Lahore is also home to Pakistan's film industry, Lollywood, and is a major centre of Qawwali music" (bolded text indicative of proposed changes)

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 Done Thanks! DMacks (talk) 01:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Page cleanup

Can someone clean up the page's language in order to harmonize it? Aside from the lead, the rest of the article reads as though it was obviously written by several editors with varying degrees of English fluency. Also, could someone expand the history section? It's not thorough compared to otger cities in South Asia despite Lahore's historic importance, and the fact that it's one of Pakistan's most significant tourist draws.

And please avoid adding block quotes unless they're directly relevant to the city of Lahore. Willard84 (talk) 15:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced claim to be 13th most populous city

I have reverted the claim by an IP that Lahore is "the 13 most populous City (Proper) in the world." The claim is not supported by a verifiable reliable source and as original research is prohibited in Wikipedia articles. No original research is one of the three core content policies that, along with Neutral point of view and Verifiability, determines the type and quality of material acceptable in articles.
The claim is also contentious as the small amount of evidence about population ranking that exists suggests that the city is around the 32nd most populous city in the world.
Either way, the claim is out of place. If the city were the largest or second or third largest in the world it would be worth noting, but as 13th or more it is not.

Wikipedia articles are user generated content and are not accceptable as references.
Apuldram (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Apuldram, I was never sourcing wikipedia, Linking rank as City proper a Wiki page ,,,,,,,, is not sourcing. Sourcing is which is applicable in case of 2016 Urban agglomation rank. Please avoid edit war otherwise, ADMIN ll b told — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.43.235.206 (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@IP I agree you never sourced your edit. If you read the first paragraph of this section, you will see that the reason your edit was reverted was because you failed to source it.
To avoid your edit being identified and reverted as original research, you need to provide a verifiable reliable source that supports it. Apuldram (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Article is protected so edit warring is no more an issue. But I would really like to see a good source for "13th most populous", and if we have source for that claim then I think it can be included. Capitals00 (talk) 18:41, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Apuldram: I endorse you. I am removing it from other cities as well. NtiniMkaya (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

July edits

I think you should see User_talk:Willard84 for explanation. Sources are clear about Mughal Empire, being succeeded by Durrani and Maratha, and the article should reflect it. Willard84 sure violated 3RR for removing that material, but did he had consensus for removing longstanding content? Answer is no. Capitals00 (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Capitals00: Thank you for your response. It seems to me that the article does already (in the section currently headed 'Post-Mughal) reflect your point that the Mughals were succeeded by the Durrani and Maratha.I feel that it would be more consistent and explanatory for that section heading to be changed from Post-Mughal to, say, Durrani and Maratha. Would that answer your point, or have I missed something? Apuldram (talk) 11:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, such change will be enough. Capitals00 (talk) 15:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@@Apuldram: Post Mughal is the most useful descriptive term as it encompasses the struggles of both regimes - there is no reason to list it as "Durrani-Maratha" (you'd actually have to list it as Durrani-Maratha-Durrani" to be accurate) since the area was contested in a period of anarchy following the Mughal collapse, and it was that post-Mughal power vacuum which allowed the chaotic back and forth struggle between Durranis and Marathas.

The most significant thing about the era is not the Durranis or Marathas, but the collapse of the Mughals. Durranis and Marathas were quite insignificant to Lahore, and neither even left any monument in the city. In all, Marathas ruled for only 2.5 years, which is a mere blink of an eye in Lahore history. Durrani rule was slightly longer, but equally insignificant. Again, the most notable thing about the era is that it came as a result of the Mughal collapse. Thus, "Post Mughal" is actually the most useful descriptor, and shouldn't be changed. The Durranis and Marathas are clearly mentioned in the paragraph as well in the context of post Mughal vacuum, and don't require the header also to list them by name Willard84 (talk) 15:38, 4 July 2017

@Willard84: You make the point that the heading Durranis - Marathas for the section is unsatisfactory, because it implies incorrectly that there was a stable era when they were in power. However the heading Post-Mughal is also unsatisfactory, as it removes mention of the Durranis and Marathas from the ToC and makes it harder for readers to find the section. I hope that the compromise Durrani and Maratha invasions will be acceptable to Capitals00, you and the other contributors. Apuldram (talk) 08:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@Apuldram: (I wrote this long entry, but you can maybe skip to the bottom to see my compromise. Also I left a message on your talk page regarding help with cleanup of some pages that might concern topics of interest to you.User:Willard84|Willard84]] (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@Apuldram: That's not actually what my point was. My point was that the most significant characteristic of the era was the political instability following the Mughal collapse, not that Durrani/Maratha implied stability. "Post Mughal" encompasses the anarchy and chaos following the fall of the Mughals, and also encompasses the city the Durranis and Marathas. It isn't hard to find the Durrani/Marathas either, since sourced content was not removed, and no one expunged their memory from this page. They're also noted on the History of Lahore page for those buffs looking for their impact on Lahore. Further, those who are really interested in Maratha conquests would likely go to the Maratha Empire page for this information anyway. There's even an entire page dedicated to the Maratha period in Lahore, so I don't think anyone would have trouble finding the information requested.

Secondly, headers should be for significant eras, while Durrani and Maratha rule were actually quite insignificant. Especially regarding Marathas, their rule was almost inconsequential to Lahore city.?Marathas ruled only for 2.5 years and didn't even leave a single monument (or even a building from what I can tell). The most significant characteristic of the era, again, was the Mughal Collapse, which is why it should still be Post-Mughal, and not entitled after a brief event. Neither the Durranis nor Marathas would likely have captured the city without the fall of the Mughals, again highlighting why it was the fall of the Mughals which was the most significant characteristic of the era.

Tehran was occupied by Soviet forces for a brief period of time in the early 1940s, yet the page there properly does not exaggerate the impact, and doesn't have a section like "Soviet rule". Beirut was briefly occupied by Israelis, yet there is no section entitled "Israeli occupation" because both these events occurred in the context of more significant events.

Thirdly, headers are supposed to be short and concise. Most of the headers on this page consist only of one or two words, but as you've seen, it's difficult to describe these two empires with a short and concise heading. That's why the heading you inserted is actually for words, rather than the typical one or maybe two words. Therefore the term "Post-Mughal" is again a better option - it consists only of two words, and adequately describes what needs to be conveyed.

Fourthly, it's worth noting that the editor who added the Maratha section, User:Coconut0102, appears to be an enthusiast for the Marathas, as is PolandHistoryProf, who displays characteristics of being a sockpuppet - his account seems to have been created with sole intent of reverting my edits to get the Maratha title back. No other edits. Both curiously insisted that a long block quote be inserted despite being completely irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with adding Maratha information where appropriate, but all this begs the question whether the intent is to improve this page, or whether they wish to simply splash the Maratha tag indiscriminately as possible. I didn't delete the sourced information that was relevant (I did remove the useless block quote), but I do not think Maratha abd Durrani rule were more significant than the wake of the Mughal collapse.

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@Apuldram: What do you think of Post-Mughal invasions? I think this is a good compromise; it emphasizes that Lahore was invaded, but also notes the most important characteristic of the era, the fall of the Mughals, while "invasions" (plural) conveys the instability as best as possible with only a few words. I think this is a good compromise and hope you'll agree. BTW I didn't violate the 3RR rule, and the "longstanding content" Capital00 mentioned was made two weeks prior to my reversion.

Willard84 (talk) 16:18, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:STONEWALLING is not gonna help. Capitals00 (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@Capitals00, it's not stonewalling when I suggest a change from one set of wording to another. Stonewalling means arguing a page should not change sinply to maintain status quo for the sake of maintaining status quo. What I've articulated is different. My argument isn't "let's just keep things as they are because this is how it's been." My points have to do with what is the most noteworthy characteristic of a certain era. Please scroll up and actually read my reasoning, and what stonewalling means, before offering an unfounded accusation. Please note from the very page you mentioned:

Status quo stonewalling is typified by an insistence on keeping a current version instead of adopting a proposed change, or reverting to the version prior to a disputed change (the status quo), and avoiding substantive discussion of the issues

Those last 7 words are quite important. My lengthy reasoning and discussion with Apuldram, and suggestion of actually making a change from "Post-Mughal" to "Post-Mughal invasions" is incongruent with "avoiding substantive discussion," and clearly not an insistence on keeping the current version since I myself even suggested a change. Willard84 (talk) 23:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

We could return to the status quo for the heading before this dispute - i.e. "Maratha era" in June 2017, but I doubt that would resolve the question. There have been several proposals since then. At the moment there appears to be consensus for the version "Durrani and Maratha invasions". The Durranis ruled Lahore for 16 of the 20 years before they left and the Sikhs took over. We cannot write them out of the history of the city. Apuldram (talk) 12:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Apuldram: The status quo actually was "Post-Mughal" in June 2017, not "Maratha era" (That was added by user Coconut0102 in the middle of the month). Also, there is no consensus thus far - the only person who agreed to the edit which said "Maratha and Durranis" was simply Capitals00. I understand you concern regarding the Durranis, but the Durranis arent written out of history by using the title Post-Mughal. It doesn't mean that the information in that section was somehow deleted; the Durranis are clearly mentioned in the section, and so aren't written out of history. If any empire at all in the Post-Mughal era should be listed, then it should be the more significant of the two - i.e. The Durranis who ruled from nearby Peshawar for 16 years. Not the Marathas were in Lahore for a mere 2 years and who left no trace of their rule. Their short time was completely insignificant to the city.

It's also worth considering that judging by Capitols00, we can get a sense for his political affiliation, which appears to be decidedly nationalist. There's a back story to our dispute, as you can see here at Talk:Godhra train burning where Capitols00, in an attempt to enforce a POV espoused by Hindu nationalists, has tried at least ten different ways to prevent inclusion from a reputable source that goes against his POV that the burning had nothing to do with a payment dispute, and was simply an act of Muslim aggression. You can clearly see that each time, his objection to inclusion of a well-cited reputable source were based upon new requirements that he literally just made up as he went along in an attempt to ensure nothing to challenge his POV could be presented. He also has also tried to launch a sock puppet investigation to get me banned bc my phone logged me out and the edit was listed as my mobile zipper addres (the investigation will go nowhere because I actually clearly signed it "-Willard 84 (phone isn't logging me in).As you know, Indian nationalists revere the Marathas, and so this might impact his/her reasoning.

Being a nationalist, though, in and of itself isn't necessarily a problem at all *except* when it's used to exaggerate the importance of their icons at the expense of the quality of a page by pushing a POV. But anyway, as per Wikipedia guides, consensus has not been reached, and the status quo in June prior to this was actually "Post-Mughal", so it should be changed to that if status quo is to be maintained. I'd have no issue with adding Marathas if they were in any way significant to Lahore's history over all, but they aren't. If one empire is to be listed though, it should be the Durranis since they ruled for 16 years from nearby Peshawar, rather than the Marathas who ruled for only 2.5 from a capital far away, and who left no trace of their brief stint in the city. Willard84 (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, what did you think of the term "Post-Mughal Invasion"? I'm still not thrilled about adding the name of any empire since both the Durranis and Marathas were insignificant, although the latter were far less significant than the former.Willard84 (talk) 15:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Blaming it all on @Coconut1002: is misrepresentation. Article version as of December 2016[2] made separate sections, section title was "Marathas and Afghans" then. Capitals00 (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

And before that it was just "Afghan". Going back to cherry pick your versions isn't productive. The fact is still that neither Durranis nor Marathas should be listed IMO. But if any empire should be, it should be the Durranis who ruled for 16 years, rather than the inconsequential rule of the Marathas - who again, did not even leave behind a trace of their rule.Willard84 (talk) 16:09, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Copy pasting your same argument is not going to help, we need to stick to long standing version since no one agrees with your edits here. Capitals00 (talk) 16:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

What argument? The point I made is that both of us can go back and find a version to support our status quo argument. And Who is "No one?" You and you? Because if you look through the page history, you'll see other users made similar edits. And your argument is what is known as WP:STONEWALLING" - which is ironically what you've falsely accused me of doing up above. Willard84 (talk) 16:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Apuldram: Im not sure if this influences you decision, but the user who introduced the "Maratha Period" header User:Coconut1002 was just banned as a sock puppet who also went by the name User:PolandHistoryProf (the puppet account that reverted my edits on July 1, sparking this whole debate. This came about, ironically, from Capitols00 attempts to have me banned.Willard84 (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

This section should be "Afghan." Maratha were only there for a year or so. Maratha inclusion makes no sense unless they did something notable. 213.143.92.17 20:11 24 October (UTC)

They are mentioned in the history of Lahore for doing "something notable". Capitals00 (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

There isnt anything listed under history of Lahore for anything notable. ONly shows that they took over. What did they contribute to lahore? nothing. Adding marathas on this page is just your indian nationalist viewpoint. Also why you dont even discuss? USer :@Willard84: and :@PAKHIGHWAY: also disagree but you write above like the issue is settled " no one agrees with your edits here" which is a lie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.143.92.17 (talk • contribs)

Canvassing people won't help but only show how desperate you are for POV pushing. It is also clear that this is not your first account, I would suggest you to use your own account in place of violating WP:SOCK. Capitals00 (talk) 07:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Tourism

Perhaps the tourism section could be written in summary form including only the main tourist sites and the rest moved into a List of tourist sites in Lahore? --regentspark (comment) 16:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Agree and created List of tourist sites in Lahore. Capitals00 (talk) 16:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Punjab region

There's only one Punjab region in the world, as the term used in this article. We don't need to add that it's in Southern Asia, or in the Northern Hemisphere, or between the Indian Ocean and the Himalayas, or in the Indian Subcontinent, or any other additional information - that just confuses the reader by implying that there are other Punjab regions. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:32, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@DavidWBrooks: No, it does not. A new reader or those who are not familiar with the region will significantly increase their understanding with the addition of the Indian subcontinent. Even the most unlearned individual heard of "India" and the general location. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC))

I agree that Indian subcontinent is overkill. Perhaps, if Highpeaks35 wants more specificity, we could say "of Pakistan's Punjab region" in the context of cultural capital? --regentspark (comment) 20:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I have added the Indian subcontinent part to reflect the historical and cultural aspects as well. The city is played a huge role in Indo-Aryan civilization, not just the Punjab region, as it is reflective in their texts such as the Epics. There was no Pakistan (or modern-day India) as such, the Indian subcontinent has historical and cultural significance in this article. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 23:11, 19 October 2018 (UTC))

Note that Highpeaks35 has been adding "Indian subcontinent" to many, many articles for some reason. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I provided my explaination above. I find this conversation going in a petty direction to continue. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC))

I think it is misleading to say Indian subcontinent because Lahore can be the cultural capital only of the part of the Punjab that is in Pakistan. Not of the Indian Punjab. If it was the cultural capital of Punjab historically, presumably during Mughal times, the Sikh empire, and/or British times, then that should be in the appropriate place in the history section. I also note that the article itself doesn't have a section on culture. --regentspark (comment) 19:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: Yes, I agree with you. I will add a section on culture at a later time. The current version stays without the mention of Indian subcontinent. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC))

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New images for montage

I'm starting this discussion to see whether there is consensus to change the longstanding images in the montages, and if so, what guidelines should be followed. This has been a problem on several pages.

If there are to be changes, I propose the following:

-World Heritage Sites must be included. This means Lahore Fort and Shalimar Gardens. World Heritage sites are internationally important, so it only make sense that they'd be included in the montage. Lahore only has 2, so they can easily be accommodated.

-Badshahi definitely should be included too since its such an icon. We don't need too many mosque pictures, so if Badshahi is included, then maybe ONE other mosque in the montage is enough - Maybe Wazir Khan?

As for others, the Lahore Museum picture is good. Maybe a Sikh gurdwaras?

-This photo of Minar-e-Pakistan was added, but I think it has some problems. For example, its a night shot, which when is in a small thumb is hard to see. Second, the lighting pattern on it is done only for special occasions. Plus, it looks a bit tacky. A clear daytime image would be better than night photos.

General guidelines: I think its also important that photos be clear and well lit, and not to include overly dramatic special effect pictures. For example, This picture of Badshahi looks like it was included because it was thought to be a "cool" picture. Actually though, its a strange angle, lighting is too dark, and the perspective makes it hard to see badshahi because its such a wide angle picture. The mosque actually only makes up about 10% of the photo - and the main prayer hall is only about 2% of the photo. I don't think this is acceptable. A clear and close up picture would be better than just a "special effects" sort of picture which looks a bit cheesy. The montage is supposed to be clear, you shouldn't have to squint to look at it.

Also, I think too many night photos is a problem, and so their number should be limited. I know some people like night shots, but they need to be clear and well lit. The examples on the Islamabad and Paris page give a good idea of what I mean. Evening shots like this of Faisal Masjid are easier to view. Alishernavoi (talk) 22:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Changes have been made to montage, which have some improvements. The issues I have are this:

-The Minar-e-Pakistan photo is a night image and shows a special lighting event. This is not how it usually is lighted, so it is not an honest image. Second, Atsme agreed on Faisalabad page that night images are not preferable because they are too "artistic."

-The bottom image of Wazir Khan mosque is very large and creates imbalance because its larger than the top image. The exterior of the mosque is not particularly notable either, its the interior that is what the mosque is known for. This image should take the place where the night image of minar-pakistan image is, and minar pakistan image should be changed for a clear day image, or maybe some other image. Alishernavoi (talk) 05:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I moved the Wazir Khan masjid picture to where the minar pakistan image was. the bottom image needs to be filled in.

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Image of Samadhi of Ranjit Singh

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to change the image of Samadhi of Ranjit Singh with the image of Naulakha Pavilion. -- Innocent Paki (talk) 11:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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The image of Samadhi of Ranjit Singh is in montage. Although, Ranjit Singh is regarded as a renowned ruler of Punjab region in history but Mughal emperor Jahangir was ruler of whole Indian Subcontinent and has more significance in history than that of Ranjit Singh. So, we can also add the image of his tomb instead of Samadhi of Ranjit Singh. But, I personally suggest that the image of any other heritage site should be added instead of tombs and samadhis. Chauburji, Sheesh Mahal, Moti Masjid, Sunehri Mosque & Naulakha Pavilion are all quite famous and can be added in this regard. Otherwise, Tomb of Jahangir is also very significant to be added as he was a ruler of whole Indian Subcontinent instead of a small area of Punjab region. Innocent Paki (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Innocent Paki the Samadhi of Ranjit Singh is not a pride point of the city. Instead we should replace with the Naulakha Pavilion or Jamia Mosque, Lahore in Bahria Town Lahore. Maligbro1223 (talk) 2:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Maligbro1223:

Hi Maligbro123! Thanks for agreeing on my point of view but I think we have to involve some other Pakistani users in the discussion as changing montage image is considered a major change. We also have finalized the present images by a very long and detailed dicussion one month ago. Involving other users will also make any consensus at the end of the discussion hard to disagree with.

@Mar4d: @Alishernavoi: @Bookku: @Ytpks896: @Mahaer Mahmud:

I didn't agree with one of your suggestions of adding Grand Jamia Mosque, Lahore as there are already two mosques present in the montage, adding the third mosque will not be considered a good option. But I'm agree on adding Naulakha Pavilion instead of Samadhi as it is a heritage site and is considered a famous tourist spot of the city. Waiting for other users to join the dicussion for making a finalized decision. Innocent Paki (talk) 10:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings,

I am not aware of style guide, but I feel Wikipedia articles can have more optional relevant montages replaced one after other periodically rather than sticking to one, because any one single montage can't accommodate every thing

Once you decide to have more montages then you can accommodate more things from historic monuments to contemporary life for example Universities, gardens, markets, Modern complexes, personalities you can much more.

Nothing hard and fast, just a suggestion, Best wishes for montage project.

Bookku (talk) 10:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bookku:

Thank you so much for joining the discussion. Yes, I agree with your point of view upto some extent that montage images should be changed by the new ones with the passage of time. But without the images of some monuments like Badshahi Mosque, Lahore Fort and Minar-e-Pakistan, the city of Lahore can't be represented properly. But other 3 images can be changed by the passage of time and I am totally agreed on that. Your suggestion means alot to me. Now if we come upto the image of Samadhi, I think image of Naulakha Pavilion would be a good option instead. Maligbro1223 is already agreed on it, if you are also agreed with my opinion please do tell me so that I can change it. Thanks once again for joining the discussion. Innocent Paki (talk) 11:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

It is natural :) . Bookku (talk) 02:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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Cityscape, tourism and transport

I improvised some sentences and add little content. Unfortunately some jealous people from other countries are deleting that content again and again. People don't want to see Lahore's information on Wikipedia. I also gave reliable sources. I also added Lahore cuisine in tourism but these people are so jealous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Maverick8017: You are a) failing to assume good faith on the part of other Wikipedia editors; and b) failing to heed the advice given to you in multiple venues by multiple editors. You have used unreliable and irrelevant sources for your edits, which means the information is not properly verifiable. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Making a collage of Lahore images

I was wondering if it will be okay if I create a collage of the images that are used as skyline images just so it seems a bit more proportioned? Please give me your opinions on that. (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I think any edit that makes the WP aricle more readable is always welcome. However, you might want to first try out your proposed change in your sandbox. AsmiGCU (talk) 09:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

GDP figures & world population rank

Hi Blscholljim (talk)! Please refrain from adding unsourced content and self-created figures of GDP and don't remove the population rank of Lahore from topic sentences. Moreover, you're also removing sources from the article. Please discuss the matter here on talk page first without editing any further. Innocent Paki (talk) 09:16, 07 February 2021 (UTC)

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Can we make this sentence more meaningful?

"Lahore was central to the independence movements of both India and Pakistan, with the city being the site of both the declaration of Indian Independence, and the resolution calling for the establishment of Pakistan. It experienced some of the worst rioting during the Partition period preceding Pakistan's independence."

The above sentence makes it seem like the 'declaration of Indian Independence' was made specifically for the modern Republic of India, when instead it was made for undivided India. Any suggestions on how we can reframe this sentence to make it meaningful in this regard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillowRook (talk • contribs) 10:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Updating the image skyline to the standard Wikipedia one.

I, Historianist01 edited the Lahore page and its image skyline to match Wikipedia city page's standards but, it was reverted. I think the Pakistani city pages should all be edited to match others. Historianist01 (talk) 11:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I too think that page images should be in the format in which most of other wikipedia pages are present.Sutyarashi (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Info Box Collage

Is it okay if I update the photo of the Minar-e-Pakistan in the info box collage? It is purple and green, and instead we should use a photo of it with its actual colors. It looks really bad right now.

Also, I propose that instead of having the Badshahi Masjid take up four spots as a large image, we make it regular sized and then also include the Tomb of Jahangir (arguably most important Mughal monument in Pakistan alongside the Lahore Fort), the Grand Jamia Masjid (fourth largest mosque in Pakistan and second largest in Punjab), and the Akbari Sarai (very important Mughal monument in Lahore).

Both changes would look like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787892535167025155/868664950007144498/VCC.PNG --

Yes I strongly support this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arlinosam (talk • contribs) 20:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)