Talk:Luke Ravenstahl

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Luke Ravenstahl article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Luke Ravenstahl was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 26, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
July 5, 2012	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Politics and Government / Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group.
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group.

Pittsburgh High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pittsburgh, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pittsburgh and its metropolitan area on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PittsburghWikipedia:WikiProject PittsburghTemplate:WikiProject PittsburghPittsburgh articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Pennsylvania High‑importance

	Pennsylvania portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

College football Bottom‑importance

	College football portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject College football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of college football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.College footballWikipedia:WikiProject College footballTemplate:WikiProject College footballcollege football articles
Bottom	This article has been rated as Bottom-importance on the project's importance scale.

Baseball: College Low‑importance

	Baseball portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Baseball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of baseball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BaseballWikipedia:WikiProject BaseballTemplate:WikiProject BaseballBaseball articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject College baseball.

Banaszak[edit]

The reference to John Banaszak winning multiple Super Bowls with the Steelers is obviously relevant given the fact that Ravenstahl is the mayor of the city of the team for which Banszak played. We're not talking about a little league team, but the champions of the NFL. If you thought the Banaszak reference was an aside, then why didn't you remove all references to Banaszak? In any case, this connection between Ravenstahl and Banaszak is an intriguing piece of trivia with regard to Ravenstahl's personal life.

I have his highschool yearbook picture around here somewhere... should I scan it in? :-)

65.78.93.141 19:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Statment about nepotism and cronyism[edit]

Unless it can be proven, the following statment expresses a borderline non-neutral point of view and has little to no relevance to an encyclopedic entry:

"...positions often associated with the blatant nepotism and cronyinsm so often attributed to government in Pittsburgh."

Please cite sources and re-word so as to sound factual and un-biased, rather than an (be it modest) attack on the integrity of public service in Pittsburgh. Also, cronyism has been spelled wrong, but it is not my place to correct the error, since I don't believe the statement should be there in the first place. (Sinisterminister 20:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]

It's bullshit POV, and it has been removed. Good job assuming good faith, but it was part of a series of vandalism. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest[edit]

It is inappropriate for someone who works for the city of Pittsburgh to blank an article simply because it documents the mayor's scandal. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification/Correction[edit]

I'm a reporter for WTAE-TV in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. A web version of one of my reports is cited as a source in the Wikipedia entry on Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, but the citation's summary is mistaken. The Wikipedia entry--under the sub-heading "Controversy"--says:

"The rumors spread to other Pittsburgh politics blogs and then to the mainstream media, forcing Ravenstahl to go public to dispel the rumors."

That's not correct.

The entry's 'footnote 12' links to the following article on WTAE's ThePittsburghChannel.com:

[1]

That article says:

"In less than 24 hours, the claims exploded across the Internet, spreading to other Pittsburgh blogs and sites...McIntire's blog forced Ravenstahl to go public to dispel the rumors."

Within that Pittsburgh Channel article (a staff rewrite of my TV story), you can view video of my original January 18, 2007 report on WTAE:

[2]

In it, I reported:

"His blog forced Mayor Ravenstahl to go public with his answer to those rumors. It was the mayor's response that triggered mainstream media coverage and a spotlight on those claims. " (Emphasis added.)

The Wikipedia entry as written suggests that the news media reported unconfirmed rumors and that there was no incident. The Mayor himself personally confirmed that there was an incident. We only reported on the rumors stemming from the incident to the extent that the mayor had chosen to make public comments disputing them. See the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Pittsburgh Tribune-Review articles linked below.

_______________________________________________________________________________

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

[3]

"Ravenstahl admits to but makes no apology for incident at 2005 Steelers game"

"Mayor explains run-in with cop"

_______________________________________________________________________________

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

[4]

"Ravenstahl admits to scrape but denies using his political sway"

_______________________________________________________________________________

I'd prefer not take on the role of editing the entry myself, but I'm offering the information here for consideration by those who monitor this 'talk' section.

Thanks.

--Bob Mayo, "The Busman's Holiday"

[5]

Bob Mayo 4 20:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this up - I think I've fixed the wording so its more accurate. Do you think so? Have a good one! Wickethewok 03:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks improved enough to pass. For FA, however, the article needs a full copyedit and the references need to be properly formated. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Headshot photo[edit]

I email Ravenstahl's media people, asking them for permission to use a headshot photo for the infobox. No response yet--maybe someone else can try?--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Luke Steelerstahl[edit]

Why not? Grsz ¹¹ 00:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Cause he didn't really change his name! It is a Steeler stunt. Like how Greenburg "changed" their name to "Steelersburg" for Super Bowl XL (since Green is a Seahawk color). Also, for Super Bowl XXX, Dallas Avenue in Squirrel Hill became Steelers Avenue. Everyone stop trying to move the page.--Protocop (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, it's now move protected. --Matt (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you fill out papers, how is that not changing your name? [6]. Grsz ¹¹ 01:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From [7], "On Wednesday morning, the mayor began, but did not complete, an official name change petition, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported." So his name is still legally Ravenstahl. Please stop changing it to Steelerstahl in the article. --Matt (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hey, did you guys know that stahl is german for steel?[edit]

steel ist englisch für stahl.

paid for by: dowd would never be this humiliating 09

Boldface heading for Pat Ford?[edit]

Under "Criticism and Controversies", the lot of the business surrounding former Ravenstahl "development czar" is contained as a bullet within "Other Controversies". I think that might deserve a heading of its own. It surely has been the most serious and long-winded controversy of the administration, more so than Banner-gate and questionable use of the police vehicle.

Am new to Wikipedia so am uncomfortable editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.154.138 (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits from individuals with possible conflicts of interest[edit]

205.141.129.33 (talk · contribs), which is an IP address belonging to the Pittsburgh city government and which has a lengthy history of COI edits, began editing in tandem with Username7891 (talk · contribs) on 31 August on the article Luke Ravenstahl. While some of the edits appeared non-controversial, others appeared to be attempts at white-washing or POV-pushing. (Edit: I do not intend to pass final judgement in saying that; I'm sure there are legitimate neutrality issues to work out, as there are in any article. But notably, the changes made were all flattering to Ravenstahl, including the deletion of legitimate sourced material.) I have chosen to roll back all of these edits so that we can bring the matter forward for discussion. I also left COI notices on the talk pages of both editors. However, as I type this, I see that Username7891 (talk · contribs) has resumed editing the article. I will invite both users to this talk page to discuss the issue. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update 1: Username7891 (talk · contribs) has responded to my concerns by simply undoing my reversion. I hope that he or she plans to follow up with a written response. Regardless, I will solicit the attention of the Pittsburgh WikiProject in resolving the issue. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update 2: Username7891 (talk · contribs) is still continuing to edit the article, which implies that he or she does not intend to communicate on this talk page. I have gone to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Luke_Ravenstahl to seek further advice. —Bill Price (nyb) 20:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update 3: Some of the edits made by Username7891 (talk · contribs) contain copyright infringements, such as one, two. I have warned the user, but have not reverted any of the edits, because I do not intend to engage in edit-warring. —Bill Price (nyb) 20:18, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible new round of COI edits[edit]

Civil585 (talk · contribs) is presently a single-purpose account which has so far edited Luke Ravenstahl in only positive ways. These edits have not been disruptive like the edits of Username7891 (talk · contribs) were—at least, not so far. I will keep an eye on this. —Bill Price (nyb) 15:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-NPOV section[edit]

Civil585 (talk · contribs) added Pittsburgh's Third Renaissance today. The section is written in a non-neutral tone which is complimentary to Ravenstahl. I wish to repeat my earlier concern that Civil585 is possibly one of the previously-blocked editors who were suspected of conflicts of interest. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links[edit]

Links #17 and 18 are dead as of January 10th, 2012. However, I could not figure out how to edit in the [dead link] note.46.236.70.14 (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Luke Ravenstahl/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been on my watch list, and I was surprised to find today that it was a GA.

Not neutral. It seems to vacillate between overly glowing praise (See Pittsburgh promise and Market Square revitalization) and a list of unflattering incidents (see the entire Criticism and controversies especially Questionable use of police vehicle, Banner-Gate, and, I kid you not Other incidents which is literally a list of criticisms). This thing is a textbook WP:Coatrack, but for both pro-and anti-Ravenstahl POV warriors, with each side taking control of different parts of the same article. See the talkpage for more on that battle. Basically, I think the whole article beginning with his term as mayor needs to be re-written. Until then, it's far from GA material.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How goes the reassessment? AIRcorn (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not well, no one has begun the reassessment.--GrapedApe (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Technically you have by choosing an individual assessment. Basically you need to say what is wrong with the article (like above) and then let major contributors and wikiprojects know. If your concerns are addressed you can list is as kept, if they are not delist. You may be wanting a community reassessment instead, where other editors chime in on the suitability of an Good article. AIRcorn (talk) 22:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, this should be de-listed. It's been >1 month, and no effort from any number of notified projects [8][9][10][11]. Please advise on next step--GrapedApe (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Write a note here saying that it has been delisted (usually bolded). Remove the {{GAR/link|23:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)|page=2|GARpage=1|status= }} template from the talk page and update the article history one. Just add action2=GAR, action2date=the date etc and change current status to DGA (delisted Good article). Then go to Wikipedia:Good articles/Social sciences and society and delete the article from the list. I can double check everything for you. AIRcorn (talk) 23:53, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and change the Wikiproject ratings to B or whatever you think is appropriate. AIRcorn (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

De-listed--GrapedApe (talk) 02:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20091128164527/http://kdka.com:80/politics/Luke.Ravenstahl.divorce.2.1330464.html to http://kdka.com/politics/Luke.Ravenstahl.divorce.2.1330464.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 11:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 05:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive //web.archive.org/web/20080627075037/http://www.washjeff.edu/uploadedFiles/External_Relations/For_the_Media/Winter07Mag.pdf to http://www.washjeff.edu/uploadedFiles/External_Relations/For_the_Media/Winter07Mag.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 04:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.washjeff.edu/education-lifetime/ravenstahl-luke
Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.washjeff.edu/uploadedFiles/External_Relations/For_the_Media/Winter07Mag.pdf
Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080419130245/http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us:80/mayor/html/about_the_mayor.html to http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/mayor/html/about_the_mayor.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:20, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.alleghenycourts.us/district_justices/results.asp?street_name=rd&pageno=41
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_195318.html
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/s_396008.html
Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080423061612/http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_534843.html to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_534843.html
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_536181.html
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_536181.html
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/elect/200711gen/el45.htm
Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120220015447/http://lukeformayor.com/page/shoreline to http://lukeformayor.com/page/shoreline
Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120612172653/http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/mayor/assets/G20_Press_Kit_Final.pdf to http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/mayor/assets/G20_Press_Kit_Final.pdf
Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100811001831/http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_611996.html to http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_611996.html
Added {{dead link}} tag to http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/elect/200711gen/el45.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:48, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 7 external links on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:42, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Luke Ravenstahl. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]