Talk:Maddie Blaustein

Madeleine's gender

How is it possible for Blaustein to be a woman? He voices Solomon Muto in Yu-Gi-Oh! with a fairly deep voice. How is it possible for a woman to pull that off? Unless Madeleine Blaustein and Adam Blaustein are two different people. Geg 16:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I was a little confused over that at first, too. Her voice as Arngrim in Valkyrie Profile and Sabrina's father in Pokémon are very deep and would seem impossible for a woman to pull off. After seeing her bio on this site, I guess that helps explain some of her unusual vocal characteristics for a woman, though. EmperorBrandon 18:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Blaustein is a man. If you watch the video commentary for Pokemon 4ever you will hear many times Blaustein refered to as a man. I am going to edit this page to correct this mistake.

And yet an interview with her [1] (Google cache), the link I already posted above, and databases (such as IMDb) clearly refer to her as a woman. I don't know what exactly is said on that commentary (was it stated by Blaustein?), but there needs to be more proof than that before editing. EmperorBrandon 20:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

It's an understandably confusing issue, but basically, Maddie Blaustein is transgender (or rather, was born intersex, grew up as a man, and finally had surgery to become a woman). See here. Thus the name changes in credits from Adam to "Maddie" and so on. I'm entirely sure when the surgery occurred, though. --Andrew, Aleal 04:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

And another useful link, here, with photo and more details and links. Also of note, prior to the surgery and still credited as "Adam", Blaustein worked on the DC comic book Deathwish, which dealt with transgender issues. -- Aleal 04:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Point of order - Deathwish was Milestone Comics, not DC. DC published it, but Milestone is/was a separate company. DS 23:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the transgender thing definitely helps explain why Maddie can pull off deep, male voices like that. Should that be noted in the article? Geg 18:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I found this on the matter, so I suppose the transgender issue may be true...[2] Michael 19:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

She's a man???

Seriously...if someone is a transgender, shouldn´t his/her natural gender should be used instead of her modified? It would cause less confusion and make more sense in my opinion.

Wikipedia naming conventions are very clear that one's current gender presentation (in this case, female) is to be used, not that assigned at birth.: Self identification: When naming or writing an article about specific people or specific groups always use the terminology which those individuals or organizations themselves use. Transsexual people, for example, should be referred to using the personal pronouns (male, female, or another) that they themselves prefer. - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity) Falsetto 00:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

From all the sources (interviews, etc, some linked to above) I've read, Maddie is always referred to as "she" and female. Whatever the situation is or was, I think it's best to stay consistent with reliable sources and not change it due to speculation (that just adds to the confusion). --EmperorBrandon 18:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Even so, isn't it kind of bizarre that it's not even mentioned in the article at all, except for the "born Adam Blaustein" bit? And before someone starts an argument, it's relevant to mention as long as gender is relevant to include. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Intersex or not?

I don't see a source specified for the information about her having been born with an intersex condition. But I think it's probably better to discuss that here than just delete the datum, for a variety of reasons, number one being that there are very few intersex people who are notable for things other than that accident of birth. Hopefully someone can run down where the claim came from? There's clear and sourced information that she identified as transgender (as do some but not all [other] intersex people who have transitioned to correct errors made by other people during their infancy) but the two labels are not exclusive. —50.14.58.71 (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Waddle Dee?

How can she voice Waddle Dee if he doesn't even talk? Is it a possible mistake by the editor who probably meant to put Waddle Doo instead? --Coconutfred73 20:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

She's gone.

www.serebii.net

She died, goddamit. Stop with the undids. Serebii.net is one of the most verifiable and the most credibil one. They know more than you'll ever do, and they get the news faster than the local news sites. So get over it. Not every edit on Wikipedia is vandalism... ~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.205.175 (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not it's on Serebii.net is inconsequential; without a VERIFIED reliable source, you don't have proof. Get a news article or something. NOT someone on Serebii. StupidFrog (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

What so ever, she died anyway. Very soon the news will appear in your INCREDIBLE REALIABLE AND VERIFIRED NO ONE CAN DENY ABOUT sources, and then you'll be sorry for having such a hard time in coming here, editing all the stuff and trying to know more than Serebii.net. But you don't care, do you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.205.175 (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Serebii.net is not omniscient. You are not either. Rumors happen constantly on fan forums. If she is, indeed, dead, then you can wait until you have a reliable source. Until then, don't bother with it. If I'm not undoing your changes, someone else will. Serebii.net forums would not classify as a reliable source -- read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Thank you, now please stop until you can get a source OTHER than Serebii.net. :) StupidFrog (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not a fan forum, the news is on the site itself, posted by the admin on the main page, a guy who can get the news related to Pokémon faster than any other site. I'll stop editing now, because I think it's ridiculous to spend all my day here trying to prove something right to someone who doesn't even know (or if he does, he doesn't know their capacities) what site is Serebii.net. You guys only work with cnn and bbc, I guess, so I'm out. Lets wait for the news then. By the way, there's more people believing in her death than people who don't, but we need a source that everyone knows about.85.138.205.175 (talk) 18:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Fan forum or fan site, it doesn't matter. I went and looked at the post myself -- Serebii does not cite any sources. I know most people believe whatever he says no matter what, however, he's still not any sort of official word. How many people believe her death is also inconsequential. None of these people who have posted or such have any proof. Thank you, however. :)! StupidFrog (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Not really a reliable source, but someone other than Serebii is reporting it: [3]. Of course, if an official statement will be released soon, it might be best to wait until that comes out, and then use that as a citation. Immortal Wowbagger (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

News sites = valid sources. Fansites =/= valid sources. Mageslayer99 (talk) 21:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone cited Pokebeach. Isn't http://www.pokebeach.com also a fansite? The site even says "An official statement will be released tomorrow regarding her passing." So it's unofficial. Friendly Cave (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Hopefully your request for protection will be enforced soon. Mageslayer99 (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It was rejected. Let's hope it's not too long before a reliable source shows up. Friendly Cave (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you guys really spend your time here to block something that's gonna be unlocked tomorrow? Your arrogancy and stupidity makes me feel sad, really. Get a life. 85.138.205.175 (talk) 21:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

• WP:CIVIL. Don't make a bad situation worse. JuJube (talk) 22:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's the most valid proof you can possible get, Wiki mods:

http://www.4kids.tv/buzz/view/2005

If the site for the company she worked for isn't enough, nothing is for you guys. 67.186.163.48 (talk) 23:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It works for me. The description of how (and when) she died is based on unofficial information, but at least her death is sourced now. Friendly Cave (talk) 23:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The article currently reads she died "after a short illness". As far as I've read, she complained once about "not feeling well". I don't think saying she had a short illness is accurate. JuJube (talk) 00:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

On this thread http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=373102&page=9, a recently registered user claiming to be her best friend says "She had been sick with a horrible stomach virus since Thanksgiving. I was the last person to speak with her, I told her to go to the Doctor. She said she would, but never made it. I finally got her super-intendant to go in and check on her. She was snug in her bed with the covers. A very peaceful way to pass, but heart wrenchingly sad just the same." The official information doesn't say anything about how she died, and so, neither should the article. Friendly Cave (talk) 01:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we not get a picture from somewhere? I saw one on the beat, so they must be floating around. --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

One on Myspace under "External links" and one here. Personally, I'd go with the second one since it's a better picture of her.Fairfieldfencer FFF 21:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Nationality in lead

I added nationality to the lead. Can the transgender material be properly sourced and added to the body of the article in an encyclopdeiac fasion? Maybe start a "Personal" section and put most of the rest under a "Career" section? TIA Tom 00:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Maddie Blaustein was not the original voice for Meowth.

The Original voice actor was Nathan Price. Anyway, Here is the clip I posted. [4] - User:BuddyBoy600 —Preceding undated comment added 19:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC).

Yugioh 5ds

She is also former Goodwin in 5ds. Its really tragic of her death though. Can somebody add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.68.109 (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Not sure where the idea came from that it wasn't her. I did a quick search and found a lot of sites saying it was her. A few are obviously fansites but other seem reliable. The Clawed One (talk) 02:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

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Gender and name

A reminder about Wikipedia policy and practice regarding transgender or intersex people, the use of pronouns, and names:

• We use whatever-gender pronouns the person last stated a preference for, throughout the article. She was a woman.
• We use either full names or last names – mostly just last names – never just first names. When in doubt, we use their most recent full name. Call her "Blaustein".
• If a transgender person (or anyone else who changes their name) was famous/notable/credited under more than one name, we include them all in the lede, for easier identification purposes. Blaustein was a comics creator of some notability under her male birth name, so Adam Blaustein has to be included in the opening.

-Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy on trans people is deeply transphobic. To deadname a trans person is violence, and the policy needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by an IP editor 20:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy about how to identify and refer to trans people was developed based on a great deal of discussion, involving trans people of various viewpoints. It is a compromise intended to treat people with respect (using their chosen names and pronouns) balanced with Wikipedia's commitment to neutrality, independence, and informing the reader. If you intend to change it, you need to be familiar with it and present the changes in terms of the principles on which Wikipedia is built. Personally, I find it difficult to see how stating her birth name constitutes "violence" (especially against a person who is not alive to see it), and it seems a bit presumptuous to unilaterally overrule her use of it professionally early in her career. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

to be neutral on a position of rights and dignity is to be against those two — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4C0:8003:FFB0:D16E:640A:D58C:A233 (talk) 03:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

involving trans people of various viewpoints: But mostly, of course, cis people of various viewpoints. ("It's called 'A Salute to All Nations, but Mostly America'." – Sam Eagle, MuppetVision 3D) WanderingWanda (talk) 02:41, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I won't argue for complete removal like the IP, but I don't see any reason for Blaustein's deadname to be in the lead, either. One hidden note in the article says She had published credits under this name, so Wikipedia policy requires it to be here. But that's not what the guidelines actually say. MOS:CHANGEDNAME talks about whether someone was notable, not whether they have published work: In the case of transgender and non-binary people, birth names should be included in the lead sentence only when the person was notable under that name. (Hell, if you count self-publishing *I* have published work.) Would Blaustein pass WP:GNG or have her own article based solely on her comics work? I don't think so. The sources focus instead on her acting. WanderingWanda (talk) 02:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Online sources tend to neglect topics which pre-date online sources. My main focus on WP is queer comics, and I can tell you that sources for "niche" topics like that pretty much vanish once you get past 2000.

I had no idea she was a voice actor when I first came to this article; I only knew her from her work for DC/Milestone (not exactly "self-publishing"). I knew she was trans, but didn't know she'd changed her name to Maddie (as far as I know she never published comics under that name). I think it was very notable that she introduced a realistic trans character in a superhero series at a major publisher then made her the protagonist of her own series, and if this article hadn't already existed I would have created it, and defended its existence if necessary.

Putting her former name in the lede is about the Principle of Least Astonishment: the redirect from that name takes the reader to a page seemingly about someone else, which is confusing. Putting the name they were looking for in the lede addresses that. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Jason A. Quest: Online sources tend to neglect topics which pre-date online sources. Essentially I'm nominating Blaustein's birth name for deletion (well, deletion from the lead sentence.) I think it's on you to show, through sources, that her old name is notable enough to be mentioned in bold in the opening words of the article.

I think it was very notable that she introduced a realistic trans character in a superhero series at a major publisher then made her the protagonist of her own series: Well, according to the article, that wasn't done under her birth name, but under Addie Blaustein. WanderingWanda (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out, because it's incorrect. I've just double-checked, and she was credited on all of her Milestone comics with her birth name or (with her partner) as "Adam & Yves". For example, you can verify the Deathwish credits here. During this time, she was commonly referred to informally in editorial/promotional copy as "Addie", hence the confusion. I'm fixing the article to clarify this, and to better document this part of her career. Like it or not, that name is how she was known for the decade[5] she worked in comics (a very credits-focused medium), and that career was notable enough that people were still bringing it up two decades or more after it was over.[6][7][8][9] -Jason A. Quest (talk) 03:34, 7 November 2019 (UTC)