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Single or not?

It seems the song has not been added to urban radio or any other formats. Can anyone confirm? Please!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Then why does this source say it was sent to urban radio on August 30. Oz talk 07:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
But isn't this a source that has been archived? Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:48, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Yep because the original page gets updated each week and the song's add date will disappear. Oz talk 07:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Is there any other way to confirm that it was sent to radio? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
For instance R&R (which is reliable, i think even more reliable) clearly shows that "Party" was not added at last. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
All Access IS reliable. "Party" has been sent to radio, and is therefore a single. This has been discussed over and over and over and over and over again. See Love in This Club Part II, Woohoo, Did It On'em, Raining Men and Hot Tottie for more examples of airplay-only release. In the US, record labels don't bother releasing downloads because people download songs as album tracks, instead they just send singles to radio. Eg Alejandro was not released as a download in the US, but it's still a single. —Andrewstalk 21:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me Andrew. My concern is not digital downloads or company. My problem is that it has not even been sent to radio. In other words, the release was scrapped. I have been here for long enough o know that Wikipedia considers a song sent for airplay as a single. Do you get it now? Jivesh • Talk2Me 03:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
If it was scrapped then All Access would've removed it from its 'future releases' section but they didn't. I kept checking back and "Party" was still there. Oz talk 06:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
But how can it be removed from an archived link??? Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Oz says he checked the original often and "Party" remained listed. I don't see why its release would have been scrapped as the labels wouls have already paid for its addition to urban playlists by then. R&R does not list all radio adds, especially recently (eg Hot Tottie). Believe us Jivesh. —Andrewstalk 10:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Andrew, i want to tell you all something which i never said before. Very often editors question me how i get the appropriate information and add them immediately after it appears on websites. Actually, it is because i visit a forum. They have the most reliable sources that you can imagine for sales, certifications, composition of songs, awards, recognitions. The list is long and they back everything by reliable sources what you ask the, Since August 31, 2011, they are saying that "Party" was finally not added. And it is bound to be true because "Party" has been getting negative updates since four days which is quite abnormal. Whatever they post turns out to be the truth 99% of the time. So why would they lie on this? In fact, "Love on Top" which has not been announced as a single is getting very good updates. Actually, "Party" was removed a few hours after Knowles performance at the VMAs. This may be because of the great response LOT received, implying that America for now wants an uptempo song. I know you wil all come with things like "forums are not reliable" and that is why i did not want to tell you anything. Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:46, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
This is just an US only urban single. I think a pop and international single will be sent to radio soon. If "Party" charts higher on the Billboard R&B/Hip Hop Songs chart next week, wouldn't that mean they are playing it on urban radio? Oz talk 22:46, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
In case you do not know, urban radios are playing the song since July 2011. A song need not go for official adds for radios to pick them up in the US. Again, it was not even sent to urban radio. Remember "Diva" and "Ego"? Both were urban singles but at least Beyonce revealed a single cover for each of them. I think you also remember "Upgrade U". It charted based on airplay received on urban radios only without official adds and i wonder why Wikipedia classifies it as a promotional single. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The song WAS JUST sent for adds. Usually songs are released to radio weeks prior to their official release (ex: CD single). And as for, "Upgrade U", it received a vinyl single release. — Status {talkcontribs  15:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
The vinyl CD is sourced from EIL which ? Wikipedia considers as unreliable. coming to "Party", i am again telling you that it was finally not sent to radio. And i do not think singles get physical releases in the US now. In Germany, i guess YES. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Jivesh. I am a little bit skeptical that this was sent for radio after all. The label could have changed their mind after Love on Top became popular. But we still can't know for sure since All Access doesn't have an archive, only "Future releases". Pancake (talk) 19:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Radio & Records which is very reliable does not have it on its list of songs sent to urban radio on August 30, 2011. I mean, it no longer has it. I already posted the link ^^^ somewhere. Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
And finally, he replied here. Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Like Adabow pointed out before, R&R don't list all radio adds. Oz talk 23:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes but at least "Party" now does not feature on their list. Did you read my message well??? This means it has been removed. Simple as that. Concerning Allaccess, i do not even understand why a site listing only future releases is used. I still insist "Party" is not a single. It seems the whole world except Wikipedians know it. (No offense intended). And i am not sure Andrew has lately been following everything about Beyonce (i mean her album and singles commercial reception, etc not news like her pregnancy or whatever coming close). I have and i can assure "Party"'s release was scrapped. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:44, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I think you are right. "Love On Top" is getting played a lot on Australian radio ever since her MTV VMA performance. And the songs that get played on radio in Australia are singles. Oz talk 06:44, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Oz, "Party" has not been sent to radio. Nor LOT but what is indeed strange is how radios (even in the US) are picking up LOT and added to that all formats in the US are playing it. And as i told before it cannot be that all the people outside Wikipedia are lying. If "Party" was really the next single and if it has been sent to radio since August 2011, where is the single cover? Beyonce usually posts all her singles cover in Rap-Up. "Party" in my opinion is going to become the "Upgrade U" of B'Day. This is the best i can explain what is happening. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
A single does not need a cover to be a single. Look at Raining Men, for example. It was released as a single, it has no video, or cover. All of Rihanna's other singles do. Again, your reasons are complete original research. Just because nobody picked up the song, doesn't mean it wasn't released. Unless you have a source saying that the release was cancelled, there's nothing to be done. You are just speculating. — Status {talkcontribs  21:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Jivesh but Status is right, you need a source because Wikipedia is not an WP:OR. Oz talk 00:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Finally. You are the one who help me prove myself my dear Status. In case you did not visit the page of "Raining Men", go there again and scan it till you find this link and it was this link i have been talking about all this long. "Party" is not listed no longer listed here. And this link is much more reliable since it is automatically archived while Allaccess is not. That's why you did not know when "Party" was removed. On the other hand, R&R listed it but removed it since August 28, 2011 (the same day i believe Beyonce performed at the VMAs). And i frankly do not know how much you follow news about Beyonce. Let me just tell you that Beyonce's team i s a total crap. I hate them but what i appreciate is that they always release an official statement to announce a single and ALWAYS revealed the cover art of a singe before it is sent to radio. Now before you reply, read everything thoroughly. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Radio and Records does not list every song that goes for adds. This is completely unrelated: "Love on Top" is going Mainstream September 20. Also Jivesh, a single doesn't need a cover art. Novice7 (talk) 04:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
As far as i know, it lists all Beyonce's singles. And Novice, how much do you know about how Beyonce handles her singles. I do not want to be rude but have been following everything about how this era has been handled. And now, you have all even started with "Love on Top" being the next single. All i am asking you is to wait till Beyonce's team releases a statement as they have always done. And Novice, one more thing, if you take a look at Beyonce's discography, you will see how many urban singles (sent to urban radio only) and yet they all have a single cover. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree I don't know much about Beyonce's promotion practices. Sorry Jivesh, I won't comment further on this :) Thanks, Novice7 (talk) 06:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Novice, you know how much i respect you. You are definitely the nicest person i know here. I did not mean to offend you. I am sincere. But this was the best way, i could make you understand that the way Beyonce promotes her singles is naturally different form the way another artist would do. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
WP:NOR WP:NOR WP:NOR — Status {talkcontribs  19:13, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I am just asking you to wait for Beyonce's team to release the statement they always release when a song is serviced a single. And please stop with this attitude, do not abuse of my kindness. I hope you read all me messages above. Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

That Grape Juice called "Party" the next single and said Beyonce said it. http://thatgrapejuice.net/2011/08/beyonces-single-2/ Plus she even confirmed to rap-up that she's filming a video for it http://www.rap-up.com/2011/08/02/beyonce-pulls-into-trailer-park-to-shoot-party-video/#more-92667 Plus, there was an archived source that said that "Party" would be released to urban radio on August 30th and all access has direct contact with the labels. Thing is, she's probably releasing it to urban radio on 8/30 and "Love On Top" to pop radio on 9/20 to attract different audiences like she did with sasha fierce.

Plus, I, like Ozurban, saw that it was listed until August 29th, which is after "Love On Top" was performed at the VMAs. It is no longer viewable, because they remove the August 30th listings once the day comes and I saw all of them, including "Party" on August 29th, which would be the standard, showing that it was released. In addtion, are we supposed to believe that "Party" was removed from the August 30th releases four hours before its released, with Jivesh just happening to be the only one who saw it. No. If you look at Jivesh's contributions, you will see that he frequently edits Beyonce articles, thus is a FAN. I believe that this is no more than a fan who is unhappy with Beyonces single choices, and is trying to make it seem like they dont happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.92.227 (talk) 21:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

And Jivesh, seeing as how you frequently edit Beyonce articles and you think R&R is a better source for release dates, then why didnt you add it, then if it was removed, it was shown up in the link. Therefore there is no proof theat it was included on R&R at all, thus showing that it doesnt matter if its not in your source. AllAccess confirmed it till its release date — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.92.227 (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh, her team DOES NOT NEED to confirm a single release. When did they confirm "Broken Hearted Girl" and "Video Phone" as singles? They didn't. Allaccess is a reliable source, and unless you can disprove the release, there's nothing to be done here. You can't just say because it hasn't done well on the charts that it was never released. Radio might not just be picking it up. It's as simple as that. Yes, it's possible they could have cancelled the release, but you don't know that for sure. — Status {talkcontribs  23:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Can you please just shut up now? (There is a limit to my patience). You are really going too far. Did you see the message i left you about BHG and VP on Beyonce's discography page. And are really stupid or are you acting like one? Did you figure out that the sing has reached number 50 on the US Hip Hop R&B Songs chart without even being sent to radio. This is your biggest problem. You do not even know 25% about this era. Yet you want to comment, each time repeating the same thing. I do not believe Allaccess. It does not have an automatic archive. I replied to everything you brought forward above. And now you are repeatedly telling me that her team does not need to confirm. You know nothing about the team of Beyonce. They ALWAYS confirm a single's release to US radio. I hope you get it right this time. I am mentioning it well to US radio. And do you even know about "Upgrade U". A song does not need to be serviced for airplay officially for radios to pick them up. The latest example form Beyonce herself is the song, "Countdown". And you cannot be the only one right here when the whole world outside Wikipedia knows that the "Party" was not added to radio, mysteriously just after Beyonce's performance of "Love on Top" at the VMAs, the song was removed. But of course, Allaccess would not have it removed as it does not even have an automatic archive. I am sure you did not even know that MTV News, Rap-Up and Billboard all posted news about the release of RTW and BTINH to radio. I am telling you for the last time, do not come with the same argument each and evreytime. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:30, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Jivesh, you are acting completely in the face of WP:NOR and WP:OWN, and are treating editors quite rudely. Please be civil. Consensus has been reached that being sent to radio is a form of single release. Media coverage is irrelevant; it was only sent to urban radio, a market which has had declining numbers in the past few years. Since there is no source that explicitly states that Party was removed from radio addition at the last minute, we must conclude that it was not at all cancelled. Quite often songs are sent to radio playlists but radio stations don't like em, and don't play em. This could be a case of that. —Andrewstalk 04:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
What other source do you have to confirm that "Party" was added to US radio? I can give you countless sources for "Run the World" and "Best Thing I Never Had". I am waiting. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
You cannot compare this to RTW and BTINH. Both of those were sent to radio and released as download and CD in several countries. Party was sent only to US urban radio. It is like comparing Hot Tottie to DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love. —Andrewstalk 05:13, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I want a source that shows the release of "Hot Hottie". Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
And it is not fair? And what do you think i have been talking about for all this eternity? I was talking about the United States itself my dear. Even "Diva" was only sent to radio in the US and same for "Ego" but at least Beyonce's team and Rap-Up both confirmed. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:16, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Personally i do not find anything reliable about Allaccess. They often list songs which are never released. i think all these will confirm it. So many people cannot be lying at the same time and you cannot tell me that Status who rarely edits something bout Beyonce knows more than these people, who if had to out into words, live for Beyonce.
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Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

At the IP, shooting a video does not make a song a single. Especially when it comes to Beyonce who has videos for more than 80% of her songs (on albums). Thatgrapejuice is completely crap. This is why other websites, reliable ones, like MTV News, Rap-Up... did not post anything about "Party" being released. And you got it right. I am a BIG fan but this is not a reason for accusing me. If you intend to continue with that, i can also say that you want "Party" to be a single because you hate Beyonce, which is completely ridiculous. And i am not Beyonce's manager to decide for her single releases. It depends on her what she wants to release. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Still, "Party" needs a source for its cancelling, you know Wikipedia rules. And Beyonce's team don't confirm all of her singles releases. I thought she has a new team. Maybe they do things different now. Plus All Access and FMQB are reliable sources for radio add dates, its not just Radio & Records. Oz talk 07:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I know FMQB is reliable but not Allacess. Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
But it is and you need to accept that it is. Most users on here use it. Oz talk 08:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Frankly telling you, using a source that is not even automatically archived is very stupid. This is why you never know when a song is removed from its so-called add list. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

@Jivesh, I don't hate Beyonce, and for you to imply that only a person who hates Beyonce counld want "Party" to be a single shows that you are biased. It was listed on AllAccess till its release and many saw it. You have no archived source showing allacces 8/30 releases without it, so you have no proof. Plus, forums are like fansites, crazy opinions. You should edit Beyonce articles without bias, because it is just unproductive.--68.79.92.227 (talk) 20:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

You better show me some respect my dear. Did you even figure out what you were writing or you just pour your heart here. You are calling me bias. Do you even know that when Beyonce releases a single, so many websites confirm it. While "Party" which after all is not even as s single, only Allaccess (which i do not trust for not being automatically archived) and ThatGrapeJuice (provided by you + unreliable) posted news about a single release which after all was fake. It cannot be so many people on different forums are all lying. And you are calling them crazy. I just want to tell you that if today i have been able to expand all Beyonce's article from what they were in June 009, it is all thanks to these people. They have all the information one can think about. Wee i guess you will not even know what editing is because you have only edited Wikipedia three times and that also only for commenting here, bringing forwards an unreliable source. And since you pretend to know two much, reply some questions of min:
  • How many urban singles does Beyonce have?
  • If any, did Allaccess list them?
  • Did they have single covers?
  • Did her team make a press release before they were sent for airplay?
  • How did "Upgrade U" reach number 11 on the US Hip Hop R&B chart?
  • Does singles need to be officially serviced to radios in the US for them to play those songs?
  • Can you find me a source other than Allaccess which proves "Party" was released.

Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

But you are being bias. You're telling me to shut up and butt out of a conversation because I don't "follow her team". That has nothing to do with anything. AllAccess is A RELIABLE SOURCE, and again, unless you can discredit it, you really need to calm down. Her team does NOT need to confirm a single release. Maybe they did in the past, maybe they didn't. She manages herself now, does she not? Things can change. Just because she did things in the past, doesn't mean she can't do things different in the present. Look at Mariah for goodness sakes, H.A.T.E.U. is her only single, in her whole career, to not have a single cover. That shit doesn't matter. It was SENT TO RADIO, whether you like it or not. Unless you can confirm otherwise, there is NOTHING to be done. And stop attacking other users. Just because they haven't been editing Beyonce articles for years, doesn't mean their opinion doesn't matter. — Status {talkcontribs  06:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
There were press releases for RTW and BTINH. Now instead of repeatedly bringing the same thing, why don't you answer the few questions i left upwards? And you are telling me i am attacking users. Did i ever use a foul word? I do not even do it in real life while talking to my friends. And i just do not care whether you believe me or not. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
By the way, why does not YOUR RELIABLE SOURCE ALLACCESS list "Love on Top" which is impacting Mainstream radio according to my reliable sources being R&R and FMQB? And i want an answer. A good one. Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to use foul words to attack other users. So, Allaccess is now MY reliable source for radio releases? Ohplease. As someone said earlier, they don't list EVERY song. What, did they make up that "Party" was being sent to radio? Seems as if I have to keep saying the same thing over and over, you need to DISPROVE that they are an unreliable source, which you have not. You haven't proven a damn thing. You are citing FORUMS as your bases for this. So you demand an answer, yeah? How sweet of you. Here you go then:

  • How many urban singles does Beyonce have? – Who cares?
  • If any, did Allaccess list them? – Who cares?
  • Did they have single covers? – Who cares?
  • Did her team make a press release before they were sent for airplay? – Who cares?
  • How did "Upgrade U" reach number 11 on the US Hip Hop R&B chart? – Who cares?
  • Does singles need to be officially serviced to radios in the US for them to play those songs? – Nope
  • Can you find me a source other than Allaccess which proves "Party" was released. – Nope. Show me a source that says it wasn't sent.

As you can see, yet again, you are using her previous releases as a backbone for this release, and the arguments remain invalid. That is again, original research. — Status {talkcontribs  18:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

This argument is kinda confusing, but I just want to bring up this point to Jivesh and everyone else. You know that all of those sources are dynamic and they must be archived to keep the information, right? The time "Party" was at AllAccess, it was archived. By the way, someone needs to archive the stuff for "Love on Top" it will be gone next week. I Help, When I Can.[12] 18:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Archive why??? LOT is not on Allaccess. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Status, i just noticed your comments. Once again, why did not you reply to my questions? Why does not your reliable source states that Love on Top is being sent to radio. And it is being sent to five formats. How strange it does not list even one of them!!! And if you did not care about all those points then why do you also care to debate whether "Party" is a single or not. Is this how you intend to reach consensus? By refusing to reply to such simple questions. And why should not i use her previous releases as a backbone for this release? Do you mean an artist adopts anew strategies each and every time? They would have run out of strategies by now. And yes, i care!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:37, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Alright Jivesh this is enough. Allaccess is the most reliable radio source you are going to find, ever. Allaccess is the world's leading "radio and music industry community, focusing on music and radio news in all formats, but specializing in promotion and marketing efforts for all major record labels, and aggressive independent record labels as well as non-music clients including radio networks, syndicators, consultants and others interested in reaching key decision-makers in the Top 40, Top 40/Rhythmic, Hot/Modern/AC, Country, Alternative, Rock, Triple A, Urban/UAC, and Contemporary Christian music as well as News/Talk/Sports Radio formats." They have direct contact from record labels regarding music releases, the are partnered with Mediabase which supplies Nelsionsound scan with weekly radio plays, which then supplies Billboard with the figures and then creates the Billboard Charts. Unless you have a source stating it was cancelled, it is a single. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 05:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Does that mean we should delist "Love on Top" as a single? Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't know, i use Allaccess for everything, i only use FMQB for earlier archives so im not the person to ask on that, sorry. I know very little about FMQB, the Allaccess release page is for releases all over America, i have no clue what FMQB bases their releases on or how they come to list them. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
To tell you frankly, i do not use Allaccess. As far as i know, R&R is the one who has always listed all Beyonce's songs sent radio. How can you say so confidently that Allaccess is most reliable radio source? Have you ever used it for UAC, Urban, and HAC? Why does it not have its own page on Wikipedia? How would you explain so many IPs repeatedly changing "Party" from single to song? Same on the album's page. Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Read the latter of my post i explained it very clearly; "They have direct contact from record labels regarding music releases, they are partnered with Mediabase which supplies Nelsionsound scan with weekly radio plays, which then supplies Billboard with the figures and then creates the Billboard Charts. Unless you have a source stating it was cancelled, it is a single." Find a source that beats it. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
My main concern is why this release was removed from R&R. I think it is clear it will not even be removed from Allaccess as it is not even automatically archived. Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

As you all said, Beyonce has a new team and her new team makes sure to release such a statement before a single is released. If one for "Love on Top" has been issued today just like there was one issued for "Run the World" and "Best Thing I Never Had", why isn't there one for "Party"? And if someone from you (all against me) cared to read the whole essay above, i clearly mentioned that the statement is released before sending a song to the radio and we know that "Love on Top" has not been serviced to radios yet. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:25, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

And what about this? Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


Jivesh, again, there's no dispute over the possibility the release was cancelled. But you still don't have a source saying so. — Status {talkcontribs  21:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Did you read it says "Love on Top" is the third single? And what do you want more now? That Beyonce comes in front of you with her baby bump and tell you? Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 04:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
This is the sort of thing that can confirm it; the third single thingy. However, this may be referring to international/mainstream singles; Def Pen seems to be confused and you have to remember that this is a US urban only single, the same way that Ring the Alarm was and why (I believe) Why Don't You Love Me is a UK single. —Andrewstalk 05:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Def Pen was not confused while releasing statements for RTW and BTINH, so why should it be confused now? Just because you think he is. And a video does not matter. Music videos have been shot for "Countdown", "End of Time" and so many more. At least there are sources confirming the release of LOT while for "Party", there is only Allaccess. Read this I do not know about its reliability but at least it makes sense. And here is Beyonce confirming the release of "Ring the Alarm". And servicing remixes of a song does not make it a single. And we are discussing "Party" here. Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 07:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
And to tell you frankly, it is not Def Pen who is confused but you. (No offense intended). Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 07:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The official statement is here. We have the sources. And as i said before "Party" already climbed inside the top 50 of urban before the so-called release, so there is nothing strange about it still climbing. "Countdown" is also climbing, so it does not mean it becomes a single. Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 07:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
And what is this mainstream single issue now. Did you know that LOT is being sent to five formats, including Urban and Urban AC as well. Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 11:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I've been asked to give my opinion here... whilst I would agree that "Party" was intended to be sent to radio as the third single (even a video has been shot) it appears that the release has been put on hold. In this case its contentious but if the plethora of sources provided all state "Love on Top" is the third single then maybe thats the case. A quick check shows that "Party" didn't really pick up any airplay which would fit with the sentiment that it wasn't actually sent to radio and the video has disappeared (much like "Put It in a Love Song"). Unless there are other sources independent of retail/radio calling it a single I'm not convinced that we can safely call "Party" a single. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 19:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
This is something you all got wrong. Not only "Party" has a video. All songs on that album will have one. Beyonce has already filmed all her videos because well, maybe she knew she would be pregnant. Women normally can predict such things. Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 04:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I will change "Party" from single to song. Jivesh boodhun (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 08:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
How come "Party" was changed from single to promo single? It was a radio single and there are sources on the page to prove it. Even if it didn't have any cover art, it was still a single. I mean, look at "Raining Men". It didn't have any cover art and it was a radio single. Plus, the album version was the one that boomed on radio, not the remix. Easy4me (talk) 23:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Question: Worth adding or not? It gained quite a lot coverage on websites dedicated to R&B music

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Album version

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 06:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

"Party"'s release date???

  • Is August 30, 2011 the true release date? As we all know (I suppose you all know), "Love on Top" was reported to be the third single from Knowles's album after that acclaimed VMA performance. And that was what made us reach the consensus that the August 30 release date was indeed false/scrapped. However, "Love on Top" disappeared form the future release sections on Allaccess, R&R and FMGB on September 16, 2011 (that was 4 days prior to its announced radio adds date). So how is it possible now that "Party" was released on August 30, 2011? Another thing, as you all know releasing a video for a song does not make it a single as Beyonce has filmed several music videos for this era in advance (because she knew her belly will keep getting bigger). "Countdown" video was released before that of "Party"? If "Party" was released before "Countdown", why is its video coming after that of "Countdown"? Wikipedia is about verifiable information, right? Wikipedia is not about the truth in other words (because the truth cannot be always verified.) So my dear friends, how will you explain this?
In my opinion, it is the remix that will be serviced to radio and will most certainly be digitally released in the near future. Let me remind you that it is also the remix which got a cover art.

- ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

  • I know that we haven't been on good terms Jivesh, but I'm stating my opinion anyway. This release seems to very similar to that of "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)". The album version of the song was serviced to radio in the US, and then a couple months later a remix was issued. I personally think the remix date should be used (once it is announced and/or released), as it has a cover that says specifically it is featuring J. Cole, and he appears in the music video - which may conclude in this being an "E.T." type of release (even though people are saying now it's only a remix). — Status {talkcontribs 20:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
@ Status. If I understand well, you mean we should place "Countdown" before "Party" is Beyonce's single chronology? To be frank, you cannot compare this to the song of Katy Perry which was sent to so many formats. It was crystal clear that Perry did that remix to finally get her fifth number one. The situation here is different. The album version of "Party" does not have a single cover, the remix has one. Andre is not in the music video but J. Cole is there. The main problem is that websites were reporting "Love on Top" to be the third single in September 2011 (but it was cancelled if you all remember how mysteriously it disappeared from the list of songs going for radio adds). Does not all that mean that "Party" was actually not sent to radio on August 30, 2011? Maybe on some other date. As far as i see, it is the remix which is getting the single treatment. All it needs now is a radio release. And in my opinion, a US radio release should be in the info box because in the US, charts are compiled taking into consideration both airplay and downloads, unlike Australia, the United Kingdom and company. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jivesh. "Party" was cancelled on August 30. And my guess is since the song is getting a lot of urban airplay, her label have decided to release the remix as a single. And from what we're hearing Andre 3000 won't be in the video, its J. Cole. They are probably going to send the remix to radio sometime soon. If "Party" was sent to radio on August 30, there would've been a press release and single cover before that date, just like "Countdown" got a press release on Beyonce's website. Theres a digital release date for "Party", use that. Oz talk 06:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with previous two comments. The release date for the download should be the official release date. Cherryguy93 (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2011 (UTC) 07:25, 23 October 2011 (BST)
  • As long as the release date has been published explicitly, not just because the song appeared on download sites, or it was released to radio outlets. Reliable source. That should always be. --Efe (talk) 06:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that the August release was originally for the album version, being cancelled or not. After being canceled, the remix was selected as the official release of "Party". So, the release date is October 24, 2011, because the official single now is a remix featuring J. Cole. - Saulo Talk to Me 08:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • After reading the discussion, I have realized that it is difficult to decide, right now, because the remix is not being planned for physical or airplay release. I think it is safe to say that the remix is the single version, due to the number of sources calling it the "Single Mix". The date is most likely Oct. 24, because no radio dates/CD dates have been announced yet. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The remix will be released tomorrow. And after 2005, Beyonce releases her singles physically only outside the US. This is even very unlikely to happen for "Party" because it was / will not be released outside the US. However, there exists a chance because "Party" is gaining very well on Urban radios and people requesting on Urban radios like to buy songs physically and not digitally. If the song does not get a physical release, they will buy the album physically then. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

So, i think we can all agree that the August 30 date was indeed scrapped and should not be mentioned as it was before the remix with J.cole, which is the single version.Beyoncé on Top ('Cause We Like To Party) (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

  • I think not, because the version with André 3000 entered the Billboard chart, this was the first version released. See "Video Phone", there are two versions of this song and the version mentioned in the infobox is without the Lady GaGa. For me are similar situations and version of the album should be cited in the infobox. Lucas Brígido Msg 14:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The remix version of "Video Phone" was used for the music video only. It was not released as a single. That's a huge difference. The remix of "Party" is getting released tomorrow as a single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

But the august 30 date was scrapped, it's misleading to put it in the infobox when it's a scraped date.... Im gonna quote what Jivesh said:

Is August 30, 2011 the true release date? As we all know (I suppose you all know), "Love on Top" was reported to be the third single from Knowles's album after that acclaimed VMA performance. And that was what made us reach the consensus that the August 30 release date was indeed false/scrapped. However, "Love on Top" disappeared form the future release sections on Allaccess, R&R and FMGB on September 16, 2011 (that was 4 days prior to its announced radio adds date). So how is it possible now that "Party" was released on August 30, 2011? Another thing, as you all know releasing a video for a song does not make it a single as Beyonce has filmed several music videos for this era in advance (because she knew her belly will keep getting bigger). "Countdown" video was released before that of "Party"? If "Party" was released before "Countdown", why is its video coming after that of "Countdown"?

Trywithme (talk • contribs) 14:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, im gonna quote what Oz said:

I agree with Jivesh. "Party" was cancelled on August 30. And my guess is since the song is getting a lot of urban airplay, her label have decided to release the remix as a single. And from what we're hearing Andre 3000 won't be in the video, its J. Cole. They are probably going to send the remix to radio sometime soon. If "Party" was sent to radio on August 30, there would've been a press release and single cover before that date, just like "Countdown" got a press release on Beyonce's website. Theres a digital release date for "Party", use that.

Beyoncé on Top ('Cause We Like To Party) (talk) 14:35, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

  • OK, but what will happen with the version of André 3000?? I'm not against the use date "October 24", but the name of André should be cited in the infobox, for his version of the song be the official. Is possible put it this way Beyoncé featuring André 3000 and J. Cole or J. Cole (remix)??? Lucas Brígido Msg 15:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This is actually the main issue. We cannot even be sure that it was sent to radio. If it was, "Love on Top" would not have been reported as the third single (of course, it was later scrapped). And just to make it clear to you all, a song can chart on the Billboard Hot 100 without being released as a single or a promotional single. For example, "Love on Top" and "Dangerously in Love 2". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Template:Infobox single is for single versions, so buy buy André. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Then it shouldn't be mentioned that the single is from 4, because the album is the version with Andre 3000, would not be putting the from 4, but said it was only single. Silencio faz bem (talk) 21:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Guys, it's obvious that the August 30 date is scrapped.....i can't believe yall are still discussing this...it's already been discussed...66.192.104.13 (talk) 19:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, i agree the Aug 30 date is scrapped and it should not be mentioned..only the October 24 date should be mentioned. 68.205.157.171 (talk) 00:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Only the date October 24th should be mentioned. 99.11.137.123 (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree as well, this discussion has gone long enough, the August 30 date has been scrapped and should not be mentioned ......only October the 24th date should be mentioned.....as it is the j.cole remix , which is the single version.71.203.84.138 (talk) 02:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Yall are speaking the truth, the August 30 date was indeed scraped.....if it actually was released then, which it wasn't, but lets say it was, we would have had a single cover for the album version featuring Andree 3000, we would have had a press release, and the music video would have been released at that time.........but we didn't get anything around that time......all we got was it being canceled and Love On Top being announced for September 20, then that got cancelled and they went with Countdown, yall know the rest....my point is, only Ocotober 24th should be mentioned, the August 30 date should not be mentioned, it's false and it was scrapped........as you can tell, the real release date is tomorrow Oct 24th, and we already have the official single cover, announcement that the music video will be released on October 25th, and numerous media sites reporting that it's the new single after Countdown..............so, my final point is, it it was infact released back in August, we would have gotten the official single cove and the music video around August, be we didn't, cause it got scrapped.......so, let's all move on, and please just remove the August 30 release date from the release history section and from the remix and release section....75.118.157.118 (talk) 03:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I request all registered editors to respect the views of the IPs. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:18, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh yesssssssssssss. >>> Party (feat. J Cole) - Single [by] Beyoncé. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much, I love you dear IPs. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Now that the confusion is cleared, can someone please tell me what changes i have to do on the article? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05
10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Whose name should be in the infobox? I agree J. Cole is on the single and Andre 300 is on the album. So i think Andre 3000 needs to be in the infobox. However, we cannot ignore that J. Cole's name is found on the cover art of "Party" as the remix is the single. And should we remove the radio adds date? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11
48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Really?...your still asking if if you should remove the radio adds date?....can you not read.....everyone is saying you should remove it, and all the sources confirm that the August 30 date was scrapped. You are just being silly now, what are you waiting for, just remove the damn August 30 date already....god.........67.10.227.24 (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

You better show some respect to me my dear IP because irrespective of what Wikipedia may write as a rule, i show respect only to those who respect me. Can't you see that i am the one who came up with this whole discussion, especially i have been the one shouting here and there that this was never sent to radio on August 30, 2011? Last time, care to read before writing. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Round 2: Single or not?

Sources (Reliable) are now writing "has yet to be confirmed as an official single. All these show that the song
  1. was indeed never released on August 30, 2011 (I knew it from the first say because R&R did not list it) >>> This is settled
  2. has still not been confirmed to be a single. But i thought it was but this is getting too messy now.

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Both those sources are from the UK. They probably mean that it hasn't been released there yet. The remix got a cover art and digital release. Isn't that enough to call it a single? Or does the remix have to be sent to radio to be officially called a single? Oz talk 11:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Oz, i think you are right. Perhaps they were referring to the UK itself. I am almost sure that the remix will be sent to radio in the coming days. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
If it isn't sent to radio, does that make it a promotional single? Oz talk 11:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know yet. It seems "Wet" by Nicole Scherzinger was changed to a promo single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Please give me sometime. I am waiting for a confirmation from Jerry Boulding who works for Allaccess. What has been confirmed is that "Party" was not sent to urban radio on August 30, 2011. This is CLOSED but he has yet to confirm whether it was sent on another date. Please wait. It should take less than 48 hours. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

'Party' is indeed not yet a single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 02:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

This era is very confusing. Is this really a single. Beyonce's website write:

In advance of the DVD’s release, the new video for “Party,” included in the anthology on the deluxe DVD, will be on air on BET’s 106 & Park tonight and online with VEVO and Beyonceonline.com. Directed by Beyoncé and Alan Ferguson, “Party” is the sixth video released from “4” and features rapper J Cole with cameos from Solange and Kelly Rowland.

It does not say anything about its release as a single. By the way, what we are referring to as a "single cover" can simply be a "cover art". The right word is cover art because non-singles also get covers.

Source.

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Non-singles do not get covers, stop trying to manipulate things, this song was released, its at 2 on R&B charts, has a music video, and was released to radio on August 30th. Please dont take offense to this, but your editing like a fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.94.225 (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Synopsis + Reviews

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 07:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)



★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


My love is love (talk) 08:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Composers

Maybe the line in the lead about "composed by" should be reduced only to those involved with writing this song, and not those who wrote what this song samples. I think it's a little misleading. Thoughts? Dan56 (talk) 01:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I think thats a good idea. Or have a section of which parts are sampled from where.Millertime246 (talk) 01:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
The album booklets credits all of them. Same for "Countdown". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 02:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe for a controversy section

My love is love (talk) 16:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It's quite early. The sources themselves mentioned, Khia's claims are overblown. And i know better how she gained attention but i prefer not to downgrade her on Wikipedia. This is not the right place. If you give me your email, i can tell you. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce's 'Party': The Key Scene

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 13:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

For the corrections to be made (in the near future) ... I only need some time

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Worth adding???

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Reliable???

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion

Don't yall agree the article will be better if it looked like This

Still the one i do this 4... (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, i happen to like the proposition but others should comment as well. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Andre 3000

There are 2 versions of the song, Andre 3000 and J. Cole. Both should go in the infobox. Arjoccolenty (talk) 00:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Article's format.

My dear friends, an IP (i think) proposed that "Party" should be formatted in this way. How many of you agree or disagree? Please voice your opinion. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

You can have a look at the format here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • You mean like promotional with Andre 3000 and single with J. Cole? If it is like that I totally agree. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 16:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
No No No'. I meant song and single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I can see from the charts section that the André 3000-featured version of the song is the one that has been charting. Does it have any official release dates (airplay, download)? The release history only lists dates for the J. Cole remix. SnapSnap 16:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
No, urban radios and rhythmic stations are playing it since June 7, 2011 (it leaked on that day). ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with the new format. It's better for the readers. My love is love (talk) 17:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with this format way. Silencio faz bem (talk) 17:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I am completely confused here. What do you mean by "format"? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:37, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Have a look at that Nicki Minaj's song. Actually, "Party" featuring Andre 3000 is more notable (critical reception, composition, background information, charts, live performance) but we cannot ignore that the remix was digitally released and it got video treatment. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
By new format, i mean this. Sorry if format is not the appropriate word. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
It only makes sense. But this format is not consistently used. "E.T." (song) could easily adapt this format as the album version was promotionally released. In "Party"'s case, both versions could arguably be singles. Unfortunately, Wikipedia goes by sources and there is none saying that the song impacted way back in June. I think we return back to our previous discussion on whether the Cole mix is even a single. THIS DRIVES MY CRAZY! I mean, "1+1" got a video, right? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
E.T is different. We all know E.T was already at number 8 on the Billboard Hot 100 and its AI was already huge. when the remix was released. From what Cole said, it is clear that Beyonce enlisted him when she was ready to make it a single but now, we should get it clear on whether it a single or a promotional single. The Andre one is not a single and there is pretty much of an explanation in the article itself. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree if it looks better for the readers... Pixelyoshi (discuter) 18:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Which version of the song is more recognizable to readers? Should that one be the one in the infobox? Dan56 (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
It is difficult to reply to these. I would say Andre 3000 because i visit several Beyonce forums and that's from where i get to know about absolutely everything about Beyonce. Try to see my comments just above what you posted. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • You can't have a song that is a song and a single. It's either or. To me, it was a song, but is now a single. I'm not really sure what should be done. It's weird. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
The remix is the single. In other words, Andre 3000 has been excluded. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I believe they told him this. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you will have to use your sandbox version then. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Of course, it is in fact that version which i think will be the right one. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jivesh. I remember the development of the Roman's Revenge article. I was happy with the end result and think it could work great here as well. RatiziAngeloucontribs 19:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Really tough to say. This can honestly go in so many different directions. I don't have an issue with Jivesh's suggestion, so by all means go for it if editors agree.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I 100% completely disagree. "Roman's Revenge" is like that because the album version was released as a promo single, and then a remix version was released as an official single. This is more of an "E.T." than anything (although it was originally released as a promo single as well.) I don't think a format like this should ever be used, unless it's like "Ain't It Funny", where there was a remix of the song released as a single on a different release. It also looks very confusing for the viewers. I wouldn't understand what the hell it was on about if I came across the article for the first time. — Status {talkcontribs 22:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
You know Status, without sounding rude to you, please go on Twitter and talk to Columbia Records. If you are lucky, they will reply and you will get to know about everything. If they do not reply, you can still talk to the radio station on which J. Cole gave an interview. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You call it confusing? It is confusing the way it is right now. Do you want to know what a user wrote on Twitter when i was trying to explain to him that all the confusion about "Party": Never believe Wikipedia. I could edit the page and say ['Party'] went #1 in Antarctica. This means that the article is confusing the way it is right now. Those who are fans of Beyonce already know everything as they are for real but those who do not really follow her find it very confusing. What i posted was actually a reply to another user who was confused about which one was the single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes Jivesh I agree with that format. It will make more sense to the readers. Song (Andre 3000) and Single (J. Cole). Oz talk 01:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I don't prefer the "Roman's Revenge" version, to be honest. But, I can see a consensus forming here, so I support Jivesh's format. Novice7 (talk) 04:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I will wait for a few more users to comment. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 06:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with the new format, I found it better that way. I think separating the two versions would be better for the reader. Lucas Brígido Msg 10:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with User:Status. This new proposed format would be confusing and unnecessary. It feels pointless to have an infobox for "Party" as a song, and then another one for it as a single. Pancake (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
On the contrary, if you were aware of the real confusion surrounding the album version of "Party" and its remix, and especially how both versions have been used, you would have understood how necessary it has become to split the two. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
  • (Sorry I've replied later) The new format seems cool, but I think it would be better if it was in a similar way to Till the World Ends. But it's just my opinion. - Saulo Talk to Me 01:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Album version of TTWE was sent to radio, right? Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha are not in the video, right? The remix received airplay, right? It got reviews, right? The album version of TTWE was not charting before being released as a single right? By charting, i do not mean appear on a chart for one week and then leave it the next week. Now compare all this to the case here. You will yourself find what is going on. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok, now I agree. :) - Saulo Talk to Me 11:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Jivesh' plan is really the only one that makes sense. You can't just generalize the song and remix into being the same thing and snuff the attention that the original version with Andre 3000 received. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 02:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Review(s)... More to be added later

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:20, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

A proper single?

Should "Party" be changed to a promo single? It has not yet been added to radio. Allaccess clearly shows it ill be added on an unspecified date (for now). ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 08:08, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

If it will be added to radio at all, then yes it is a proper single. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:12, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
But it has not been added yet. And you all know better than me that simply releasing a remix of a song does not make it a single, in certain case, neither a promotional single. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
We don't need to wait. We know it will be a single, so we use the single template. [Marry the Night]] and You and I (Lady Gaga song) switched to that template before release. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:09, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
So, that means you do agree that if it is never released, we will have to re-consider its status. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
So we should follow WP:CRYSTAL and wait for a date then? We could do that, but I fear that the stability of the article is severely hindered. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I would say the stability of the entire era is severely hindered. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 14:05, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
How come "Party" was changed from single to promo single? It was a radio single and there are sources on this page to prove it. Even if it didn't have a cover for the album version that was played on the radio, it was still a single. I mean, look at "Raining Men". It didn't have any cover art and it was a radio single. Easy4me (talk) 23:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

This song has single format on numerous itunes stores why isn't it listed as single? Some countries don't even bother including airplay in chart stats already(for instance UK)... This to me is a single on its own!!! This song isn't a promo either as that suppose to predate the album's release or released to radio only but not for sale! THIS RECORD IS FOR SALE STAND ALONE Szaboci (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Phenomenal

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 23:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Lol, I don't see anything about partying in this link. It just shows Gaga's new song. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Lol. You have to log in first. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 00:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


Pos > Pos+ > Artist and Title > Spins > Spins > Bullet > Bullet+ > Aud > Aud+ > Days

2 -1 JAY Z & KANYE WEST N***** In Paris 4102 +22 -60 +31 28.467 +0.309 77

1 +1 BEYONCE Party f/Kanye & Andre 4102 +49 205 -8 26.538 +0.359 79

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 00:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Lol, had to go to edit mode to know that this is a table. So Mr. Outkast is back? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Outkast is on "Party". Lol. The funny thing here is that how husband and wife are battling for that number one position. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 00:43, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Too bad "Lift Off" isn't here :D. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, simply because "Light Off" has not been released yet but i agree that it might not be an excuse as "Party" is exploding without official adds. Do you want to see the updates? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 00:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
What updates? And what chart is this? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Airplay ones. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 00:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
As long as it will not violate WP:NOTAFORUM. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Charts

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Party (Behind The Scenes)

Party (Behind The Scenes) Video 21/11/2011 by beyonceVEVO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAE3MmpmzwQ&feature=feedu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 02:13, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Number One

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:04, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:08, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

J. Cole remix was not added to radio...

... So is it really a single? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. It's been (almost) two months since the digital release. This era is truly a mess... If it was being sent to radio or getting a CD single, it would have been done by now. — Status {talkcontribs 20:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I think Beyonce is the one not wanting more singles. Well, i am not sure. Nevertheless, her record label is to be blamed. If they sell an album at $19 during the festive season instead of discounting it (and they increased the prize by $2 in the UK), then the y surely also have the capability of making things right in this era. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

More

It surely is. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
A big lol. Did i see "We Found Love" in that list? Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

August 30th

I am reasserting if this the original version actually was released to the radio. After the albums release, it floated around the top fity of R&B charts. Then a couple weeks after 9-30-11, it began to surge up the chart and peaked at 2. Plus, all access had its release date all tge way until the august 30th dates were removed. It doesnt matter if its on gfk. Plus the song is credited on the charts as featuring Andre 3000, signifying that the version featuring J.Cole was just a remix, and was not the single version. So, more than likely:

  • Released to urban radio as the 3rd single on August 30, 2011.
  • Then A remix was released digitally on Oct. 24th, and was also used for the video.

Its just like "Dance (Ass)" by Big Sean. Plus Countdown was only released to rhythmic and mainstream radio (FMQB), which would also support the statement that "Party" was sent to urban radio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.94.225 (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree that "Party" should be treated as a full single here. Beyoncé has been having a tendency to not make it clear cut when certain songs are being promoted but they have all had releases that by any other artists standards would call for inclusion as a full single. RatiziAngeloucontribs 23:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
This was not a single. Proof? Reliable websites treat "Countdown" as the third single. A song does not need to be serviced to radio officially for them to to play the songs in the US. Latest evidence is "Love on Top". It was not sen to radio. But it has re-entered the Hot 100 because of its growing airplay. This has already been discussed and it won't be discussed again. Last time as well, it was an IP who was arguing on the contrary. I just hope that this is not the same person under another IP. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
And because "Countdown" is the third single that ends the argument? Are you forgetting the entire IASF era? Every single release was smooshed with another. IIWAB/SL, Halo/Diva, Ego/SD, VP/BHG. And it was the same thing that's happening here and with other albums. An Urban single (Party) and a pop/dance single (Countdown). RatiziAngeloucontribs 12:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Then, why wait so long to push the other single, leaving Pop and Rhythmic radios hungry for two months? Very strange. And I don't know if you are aware that at the "fake" release date of "Party", "Best Thing I Never Had" was getting +80 spins daily with +0.450 to +0.700 million AI from Urban only. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
It's the same argument. "Party" can't be a single because this other song is doing this. It's a messy release, sure. But it's got all the right attributes for single release. Radio dates, digital release, physical release, music video and live performances. Probably other things I'm not mentioning. But by comparison, look at "Dance for You". No release, physical or digital, just a music video. We know it's not a single because we don't have any way to prove it is. We do have these things with "Party" and if you weren't so obsessed with seeing how it fits into the timeline with other songs you would agree. RatiziAngeloucontribs 15:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Ebay is unreliable and that cover you put for the original is fake because it comes from EIL. And please don't bring this video thing here. Beyonce has videos for 9595564913656565656 songs. My concern is why its release was not reported by reliable websites? Did you see he attention "Countdown" got? And all of the sources calling it the fourth single? Urban radios play what they want. "Countdown" received 41 adds on Urban radios last week. Was it sent to Urban radios. NO. Get this clear... Beyonce is letting radios play what they want. Why? Simply because she is clever. She knows that when you release a single, you have to promote and she is in no condition of promoting. Now if you ask me why she released "Countdown"? Simply because of so many websites were asking for it. It was a fan favorite. Even MTV published an article saying "Countdown" should be released quickest possible. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
It has the feats to be a single. A radio release, cover, video, and official remix. Although, Jiv is right, the video means nothing. But i say, Yes, it is a single. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 17:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
There is no radio release. A remix does not make a song a single? Do you want proof Ben? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes i know: B in the Mix: The Remixes but it is probable. the thing is, there are no hard core facts. NO ONE has given reliable sources of it being a single. NO ONE has given reliable sources of it not being a single. That's why we are collecting all info we can. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 18:22, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I hope you are aware of the media coverage Beyonce gets when she announces a single. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I am. So you're saying if there isn't a media frenzy then it's not a single. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 19:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Did I say that in general? I am talking only about Beyonce here, not Rihanna and company. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I know, you were talking about Bee. but since there isn't a lot of media coverage it means it's not a beyonce single? Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 19:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Ben, do you even realize that this has not happened before? She did not even release a digital EP for it. I don't know how much you know about Beyonce's management but from my knowledge alone, I can say this is not a single. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh, just because its not covered, doesnt mean anything. The sites that call "countcdown" the third single ar in the UK, while "Party" was in the US. Also, as u are aware, Beyonce's management team made adramatic change this era, she fired her dad. And as Wikipedia has stateed before, a radio add date makes a single. You said it yourself in previous debates, that if "Party" took off after August 30th it was a single. Your arguments are fan based.--68.79.94.225 (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it has nothing to do with being a fan and I don't care to convince you about this. It takes simple logic to know that this was not a full release. Read J. Cole interview you will understand. Or better, listen to it. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I've gotta admit, this does scream fandom. Because there isn't a huge fuss being made you don't think it's a proper release. I'm not sure what else to say on the matter as the case has been made several times. The only thing I could think to do is to get an unbiased moderator/admin type person who isn't a member of the Beyoncé project and get them to weigh the facts. RatiziAngeloucontribs 10:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Listen, I wish to echo this again. Urban radios tend to play what they want. Do you remember "Upgrade U", "Dangerously in Love 2"? Give me a source showing that "Love on Top" and "Countdown" were sent to urban radios? Both of them are at over 11 million AI on Urban radios with zero airplay from other formats. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Jivesh, i find it highly insulting to suggest i know nothing about Beyonce. You may know more, but i am a fan and i know enough to comment on this topic, whether you think so or not. you are right, sometimes Urban stations play what they want, but look at the surrounding facts. I am going to hunt for more opinions. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 14:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Did I say that? NO. And just being a fan is not enough. You are on Wikipedia. You are an editor here before being a fan. It is always good to have some knowledge about the management of an artist's career. Let me direct this line to you: look at the surrounding facts. Now please let me be in peace. This has already been discussed several times. It's Christmas my friends. Go out and enjoy. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:21, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
It's Christmas there already in your time zone? or do you mean chrismtas time? anyways can we put this behind us? this is my first editor-fight. they aren't fun. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 14:26, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
5 hours to go. And you know I did not start. It is just that I like people to analyse everything before commenting. I also do not like fighting and this is not a fight. Just a mere conflict. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
OK. Good. Merry Christmas. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 17:20, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Same to you bro. We better stop now... WP:NOTFORUM. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
They said the we're going to. You always gotta have the last word :P RatiziAngeloucontribs 03:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

The promo single seems pretty real to me, and I don't see any evidence of it being fake. I'm not saying that we can use that for a reliable source and whatnot and that it should be changed to a single, BUT I think that this should really be re-examined. Seeing that all the single releases following the album's release have been messy, I don't see how this case is different. — Status {talkcontribs 05:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

See, that annoys me. Why do you find it appropriate to remind me that wiki is not a forum? we were having a conversation about the article, not a conversation about nothing. Pretty big words from somebody I defended when "i help when i can" said your talk page looked like a beyonce forum. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 19:22, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Because we are not supposed to wish each other Happy New Year or Merry Christmas on the talk-page of an article. I hope I do not owe you something. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Please excuse me rudely being considerate. Ben•TalkThatTalk2me 12:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Umm, dont change the subject, this is a single, and it hit urban radio on August 30th. I dont even know why this is being debated, when it seems like everyone saw it on allaccess to the end. The only person who claims it was removed is Jivesh, who is a Beyonce fan and claims that its not a single because fans on forums say its not. In addition, the song did chart on US R&B charts before August 30th, but after that date, it began to climb the chart and peak at two. The J. Cole remix was most likely an attempt to increase the song's digital sales (many artists are doing it these days), as the single was struggling digitally, which is why it only peaked at 50 on the Hot 100. But really, Jivesh could you try to not view this like a Beyonce fan forum. If you do, I think you would realize that this is a single. --68.79.94.225 (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I will simply ignore you because I am TIRED of repeating the same thing each time. And you have no right to tell me that I am saying this because I am a fan, otherwise I can also say your judgement is based on you being an anti-Beyonce fan. I have presented sources calling "Countdown" the next/third single, etc, Read everything before posting because I don't work for you and I do not owe you anything. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Again, just because a third party report calls countdown the third single, it doesn't mean anything. That doesn't help your argument in any way. Party could have been released the same day the day after the day before or any time in any manner and it'd still be a single. Double promotion does exist and is very common. 173.174.72.197 (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh please, now you are going to tell me to ignore what reliable sources are saying. Excuse me, this is not a music blog. We go by what reliable sources say. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

And a reliable source said that this has been released to radio on August 30th, and a few months ago, you were using blogs to suuport your cause. Enough, this is not the "Jivesh loves Beyonce show". I believe that this issue is resolved, consensus: most viewers believe it was released, except for one. Can someone please change this to a single page and add it to the discography. I endorse you --68.79.94.225 (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Watch your attitude. That's all I have to say. Bye. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Attitude? I was reading all of this as a calm debate. How do you perceive it in text? But anyway, it does seem to be the consensus. We can take a vote or just make our case to someone else. RatiziAngeloucontribs 03:25, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
So you were the IP? Anyway, I was referring to this I believe that this issue is resolved, consensus: most viewers believe it was released, except for one. Can someone please change this to a single page and add it to the discography. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I never post comments IP. And I didn't say that either, but it does look like you're making this argument alone. RatiziAngeloucontribs 04:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
?So why did you post: "Attitude? I was reading all of this as a calm debate."? I was not referring to your attitude but to that of the IP. This lead me assume that you had forgot to log in and commented using your IP unknowingly. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Chairlift and Kool A.D. cover Beyoncé

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 01:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

reception remix feat. J. Cole

BET AWARDS 2012 BEST COLLABORATION PARTY F/ J. COLE http://www.bet.com/shows/bet-awards/2012/nominees/best-collaboration.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.164.50 (talk) 23:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

BET Awards - Video Director of the Year

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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