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@Bgsu98: I'd like to challenge you here re: notability, given the subject's college and professional soccer career, as well as appearances in multiple television series. ---Another Believer(Talk) 21:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did he win any of those seasons of The Challenge, or was his participation in any way noteworthy? Competing on reality TV shows doesn't not inherently impart notability. Bgsu98(Talk) 00:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the tag since the article's now at AfD. ---Another Believer(Talk) 13:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bgsu98 He has played for the Colorado Rapids. Combined with many TV appearances and sufficient secondary coverage, I believe GNG is met. ---Another Believer(Talk) 14:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: f you remove that notability tag before the Afd closes again, I'm going to have you up at WP:ANI. Process is it stays until the Afd is finished. scope_creepTalk 15:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems unnecessary to have two tags about notability on the article, but whatever. ---Another Believer(Talk) 15:18, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone able to create a filmography table based on his TV appearances? I see he has participated in many notable shows, but I don't know the chronology. ---Another Believer(Talk) 14:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95: I've replaced the 'citation needed' tag with ESPN. Good enough? I certainly welcome better/other sources to verify the claim. ---Another Believer(Talk) 16:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I searched for a soccer database or football database entry for him, but I came away empty-handed. I found multiple sources saying things like "brief professional career" or "brief spell with the Colorado Rapids" or "a former member of the Colorado Rapids", but nothing saying that he actually played in a professional soccer game in the MLS. It's sketchy. I was hoping to find a record of an actual appearance in a game to improve the notability, but I found nothing. Good luck with the AFD. I'll poke around a bit more. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95 Hmm, ok! Feel free to add back an applicable tag, I just figured ESPN was good enough. Thanks! ---Another Believer(Talk) 16:23, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I usually try to help you with your AFDs, but this one might need to stand on its own. I turned up nothing concrete about actual playing time. Usually with professional sports figures, the obsessive database compilers are helpful, but I got skunked this time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All good! I think notability is established outside his soccer career, but certainly we want to make the entry accurate nonetheless. ---Another Believer(Talk) 16:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95: Not sure if any of these are helpful/appropriate for Wikipedia:
No, he should not. He never played for them!! SportingFlyerT·C 19:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I searched all over and was unable to find a source verifying that he had played at least one minute in a professional, regular-season soccer game for the Rapids. In my experience, databases for pro sports players are nauseatingly completist, so it is reasonable to assume that he did not actually play for the Rapids. The statements in articles presumably come from him, or his publicist, and do not appear to have been fact-checked by the publishing entities. I noted above that none of the sources claim that he played in a regular-season soccer game for the Rapids; they all dance around the subject. My guess is that he spent some time at their preseason training camp, or even played in some preseason games, or flicked a wet towel at someone in their locker room, and called that being on the Rapids for a brief spell. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95 Thanks for looking. I am totally open to how editors want to update the article. IMO, his notability is independent of his pro soccer career (or lack thereof). ---Another Believer(Talk) 14:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have no opinion on the subject. Seasider53 (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC) Seasider53 (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
