Talk:Richard Whittington

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Year of Birth[edit]

1350? Most sources I've read suggest c. mid 1350s, possibly 1357. I have an inkling also that so early a date contradicts those few facts that are known about his formative years. 81.108.178.140 20:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I AM SORRY TO PUT THIS IN THE WRONG SECTION. RW was Mayor of London, not Lord Mayor. The title 'Lord Mayor' was not in use in 1484, when Robert Billesdon was referred to as 'Mayor' of London, so I doubt that it was in use during RW's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.138.13 (talk) 15:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Knight at arms or knight-at-arms[edit]

Anyone know what that is? It is just a different term for a knight? This google search suggests it comes from a song and doesn't seem to have too many other usages. It would be good to link this term (in the opening para, his grandfather was said to be one)... the Knight article seems not to ever use it, although it does refer to man-at-arms. ++Lar: t/c 11:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Dick Whittington and Richard Whittington deal with the same person. The pantomime is based on the real person, and discussion of the one involves discussion of the other - which also involves the variations in the pantomime from the known facts. The real person is known because of the pantomime, and the pantomime is known because of the real person. Any search for Whittington on the internet or in books will invariably result in a discussion of the pantomime and the real person. A person looking up the pantomime will want to know about the real person. And a person looking up the real person would be interested to discover the differences between his real life and the accounts given in the pantomimes. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 08:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whittington, Shropshire[edit]

Is there any evidence of Richard being connected with the village of Whittington in Shropshire. The castle was seat of the Fitzwarrens (83.0.166.226 (talk) 14:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Spelling "Whytyngdone"[edit]

This appears in the lede, and I've found a reference that justifies it, but as our article stands it's only in a footnote in the cite and doesn't really do the job. However I'd like to ditch it altogether; it's not really a formal alternative but only an example of the loose orthography of the time. Loose is exemplified in that the same clerk has spelt Mayor William Staunton as "Staundone" in the same document, and two different spellings are used for Whittington himself. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No dissenters: done. --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Loans[edit]

According one BBC account it was Richard Whittington who loaned Henry Vth the 500 pounds to fight the Battle of Agincourt.AT Kunene (talk) 10:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article already notes that Whittington lent money to Henry, and this wasn't extraordinary at the time—quite a few City merchants found themselves making generous contributions to the king's war chest. The most notable was Roger Salveyn, who stumped up nearly £11,000 (according to Barker), but he was also city treasurer of Calais and had a very direct interest in the proceedings.--Old Moonraker (talk) 15:42, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Knighthood[edit]

This article styles him "Sir Richard Whittington". I believe this is probably an error - his entry in the History of Parliament (1993) does not mention a knighthood (and they're usually scrupulous about it), nor does his entry in the Oxford DNB (2004).

The old DNB (1900) notes that "his knighthood is as legendary as his burning the royal bonds", and The Aldermen of the City of London (1908) notes that :

We commonly find in lists of Mayors of the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries the word "Sir" prefixed to the holder of that office, whence it has been inferred that the knighting of the Mayor (when not already a Knight) was the general custom of that period. This very natural inference is entirely contrary to fact. Very few indeed of the Mayors and Aldermen before the reign of Edward IV. received knighthood, and it is beyond doubt that, to cite the best known instance, the popular designation "Sir Richard Whittington" is altogether erroneous.

It seems that a lot of the ballads use the title, and we should probably keep it in those cases, but otherwise it is probably best to drop it - I'll remove it from the text now. I don't know if it's appropriate to add a note to the article explaining the misconception, though. Andrew Gray (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes and references[edit]

If you click a reference it goes down to a note instead as the references are in the notes section. The references section itself only has links to other Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krystal Kalb (talk • contribs) 21:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]