Talk:Terrelle Pryor

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The entire third paragraph is wrong and the PSU secret verbal stuff is obviously made up. Things are repeated multiple times. This article needs major work.

No speedy deletion

Terrelle Pryor might only be a high school athlete, but he receives heavy media attention. Check Google News. There has been an AfD-discussion on Arthur Brown in September 2007, and the result was to keep the article because of the media attention Brown receives. With Pryor it's no different. ––Bender235 (talk) 19:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree; Pryor's recruitment is getting extensive coverage in the sports press, including repeated mention on the nationally broadcast TV network ESPN. While high school athletes should certainly normally be considered non-notable, I submit that Pryor should be an exception. -TheMile (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who tagged CSD. I hadn't heard much in the way of media attention for him at the time of tagging. However, knowing that he *has* received it - and apparently decent amounts at that - I have no contention with the CSD having being removed. DJBullfish (talk) 19:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Schools in the running as of Jan 28

Hey, when I say that Pryor has dropped Florida, it's because in this article, he says: "I'd still say it's five schools -- Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, LSU and Penn State." This article is written by Pryor himself, so I think that trumps a Free Press blurb. -TheMile (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please check that Madison.com source? That's the only place I've seen anywhere that Pryor has cut his choices to Ohio State and Penn State. I have serious doubts about that information. Last I heard from credible sources, it's still down to Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Oregon with upcoming visits to both Penn State and Oregon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.92.252 (talk) 07:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but haven't seen any citable sources to dispute it. TheMile (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I added wording that toned down the authoritative presentation of the Madison.com source (added "According to Madison.com"...), which was promptly removed. The article, as reported, cannot be verified. I think the reference to the article should remain, but since there is no current way to verify it other than getting a statement from Terrelle Pryor on the subject, I feel the wikipedia mention should portray this without stating the claim as fact. I feel adding "According to Madison.com" is NPOV, in that it does not portray the claim as fact, nor throws doubt on the claim. It states the relevant facts while letting the reader decide. I don't want this to turn into an edit war, however, and would appreciate some feedback. Kylos h (talk) 20:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I found a more recent article and used it Grsz11 (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a much better article. It can be verified. Kylos h (talk) 20:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Will you guys accept [1] as a source? RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 21:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

If you check the article you linked, its source is the rivals.com article added by Grsz11. So, I think it's a little redundant. Kylos h (talk) 03:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Oregon is still in the running

In the article it says Terrelle Pryor narrowed down his schools to UM, OSU, and Penn St., but he just said on ESPNU's coverage of National Signing Day that Oregon is very well in the running. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.117.183 (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm this, but I haven't seen a citable article yet. -TheMile (talk) 17:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Detroit Free-Press: (…) Pryor confirmed he eliminated Oregon and informed the Ducks coaching staff of the decision. (…) --Bender235 (talk) 18:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I imagine they just now updated that article, as it specifically says that Oregon is back in it. -TheMile (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10623751 says what happens at Signing Day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.117.183 (talk) 18:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

External Links

I don't see why Youtube links are encylopedia worthy. If anyone wants to see his highlights, they can just as easily go to Youtube and search for them on their own. Burner0718^{(Jibba Jabba!)} 04:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

true. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 15:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

So why do we need external links anyway? Anyone can go to Google and find himself his own links, right? Come on, guys. Of course we can link to those YouTube interviews. ––Bender235 (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Not really. We're only supposed to link to official sites; not blog and video sharing sites. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 22:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

You wouldn't find links to blogs or Youtube in Britannica or Encarta would you? Official sites are much more encyclopedic. Burner0718 00:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Recruting

Recruiting news should not be deleted as more is known. The section on his college recruitment is terrible, and should contain the past 2 years worth of information, including the fact that he committed to Pitt 2 years ago. Somebody needs to figure out this information and get it back in Grsz11 (talk) 04:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree; once Pryor commits, I think all the recruiting info should be removed barring a blurb mentioning the prominence of his recruitment and maybe that he once committed to Pitt. Recruiting info is so notoriously unreliable, especially from newspapers, that this article skirts the edges of notability as it is. TheMile (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

We update scores and game summaries before the games are over don't we? If we can do that then we should update this as well. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 16:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It's fine to add to it, but I don't think it should simply be replaced leaving us in the end with just "Terrelle Pryor committed to Ohio State." Grsz11 (talk) 19:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Sources

With a constant flow of false and speculative information, anything that is not sourced should be deleted. Deletion of sourced information (ie the article that says OSU and PSU) should not be deleted. Grsz11 (talk) 16:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This page needs to be sime-protected again. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 16:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I just went IP and I could still edit it so you might want to get an admin to semi-protect it. Actually, I'll go ahead ask. Burner0718 ^JibbaJabba! 22:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it's now semi for a week. BTW, Grsz11, I like your optimism about the outcome of his recruiting :D. Burner0718 ^JibbaJabba! 23:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Psh, my ideal outcome would have been what he said two years ago (check my userpage). Grsz11 (talk) 03:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Feature in the Post-Gazette in June 2011, http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11156/1151530-143-0.stm?cmpid=localstate.xml Might be a source for some footnotes. Rauterkus (talk) 15:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Verbal commitment

As far as I can tell, Pryor's commitment is only verbal, and as such should not be added to the infobox. There are two reasons for this: 1) players often renege on verbal commitments (though it seems unlikely in this case), 2) it's unofficial, and shouldn't be listed as such (for the same reason we don't list political candidates as official until it's... official). The Evil Spartan (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I missed part of the telecast, but when I tuned in, he was signing a paper. I assumed this was the official commitment.24.95.33.170 (talk)

Score, good call: [2]. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Detriment to The Ohio State University

There needs to be a section of major criticism of Pryor. 1st, he's not very good. 2nd, he is going to be partially responsible for major NCAA sanction on OSU. He has been suspended for 5 during the 2011 season, and he is under investigation for many more violations. All together, OSU would have been better off without him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/30/terrelle-pryor-investigated-ohio-state-ncaa-cars_n_868843.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.200.19 (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That is opinion, and all Wikipedia articles have to be written from a neutral point of view. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

As with most editors on wikipedia, you completely miss the point of this topic by being a DB. The idea of a section listing his factual faults and the consequences of the NCAA infractions on OSU is certainly reasonable. There would be no opinion in stating that his actions led to a suspension, and possibly in the future sanctions against the university. And merely showing his college statistics compared to other college quarterbacks will show that he is not a top level QB. Obviously, everything past the first sentence of the original paragraph is my opinion. But, a section describing the controversies surrounding him can be neutral, factual, and certainly legitimate. I have chosen not to write anything on his page, b/c I am not neutral enough. But, the suggestion of including recent events that portray him in a negative light (my opinion of course) is certainly warranted. A reader may or may not come to the same conclusion I have of him, but that information should be available to anyone reading about him. As with all wiki editors I have encountered, you are blinded by your narrow view of the wiki doctrine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.200.19 (talk) 03:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

"DB"? Is that a personal attack or are you calling me a defensive back? Anyway I am not opposed to including the recent events surrounding Pryor and the suspensions/sanctions, but you need to keep a neutral point of view. Clearly you have a bias against Pryor so it may be hard for you to keep your edits neutral. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Which is why I'M NOT EDITING HIS PAGE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.200.19 (talk) 05:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

"statistics... will show that he is not a top level QB". It seems to me the most important statistic is W/L ratio. Ending after three seasons with a 31-4 record as a starter isn't too shabby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.96.8.231 (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

College Career

3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence; "He is currently the fastest Buckeye" no longer applies. Suggested change to past tense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.124.65 (talk) 03:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Considered the most recruited high school football-basketball athlete in southwestern Pennsylvania since Tom Clements,

What is the point of this? As a headline its not exactly a blockbuster -its about as narrow of a field to be second best in that i can think of - isnt it more important that he was probably the most recruited high school football recruit in memory - rather than "the most recruited high school football-basketball athlete in a tiny part of the country since somebody noone has heard of"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.104.149 (talk) 19:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Position in infobox

Rather than edit war with TropicAces about whether or not quarterback should be listed as one of Pryor's positions in the infobox, I thought it would be better to discuss it here. Yes, Pryor is converting to wide receiver. However, he has primarily played quarterback in the NFL in his previous seasons, and he's only ever caught one pass in his career. Also, switching positions in football is probably not as common as it is in other sports, but to use a baseball player as an example, Alex Rodriguez is listed as a third baseman, shortstop, and designated hitter, even though he hasn't played shortstop regularly since 2003. On Rodriguez's page, I removed shortstop from the infobox almost two months ago, but was reverted shortly after and the reasoning made sense to me. A player's current position doesn't need to be the only one listed in their infobox. I believe that quarterback should still be listed in Pryor's infobox as one of his positions, at least until he has actually started playing wide receiver regularly in the NFL. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 01:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

In the grand scheme of things, this hardly matters, especially for a player as irrelevant as Terrell Pryor haha. My logic, A guy saved by Jesus, is that since you wouldn't put "Terrell Pryor is a wide receiver and quarterback for the Cleveland Browns..." in the opening line, should contradicting info do up top in the infobox? MLB pages are a little different (weird) because they do specific things like not including a team in a player's infobox until they officially play a game, so they'll go all winter technically being a free agent, as far as Wikipedia goes. So honestly do whatever. This is such a rare situation I don't think Wiki has rules. TropicAces (talk) 10:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)tropicAces

Should his career continue as a WR, his opening line could mention his current and former position of notability. The infobox should have any position he is known for and regularly plays (ever), and not just for a single event during a trick play. We don't list QB for RB's that pass on flicker plays.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 18:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Based on Loriendrew's reasoning, I feel that QB should be re-added to the infobox at least for now. Maybe we remove it if Pryor makes the Browns roster and regularly plays WR this season, but for now, it makes sense to keep QB in the infobox. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I thought we just put the current position into the infobox? For a special player who plays multiple positions, would it make sense to list 4-5 of them? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

The issue with only listing Pryor's "current position" is that he has played all of one snap at that position in the NFL to date. That's why I say that quarterback should be left in the infobox at least for now. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Wording

This should be worded differently Bears247 (talk) 00:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bears247:  Done Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)