Talk:The Boat Race 2021

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that this year's Boat Race between Oxford and Cambridge will take place on the River Great Ouse instead of the River Thames for the first time since 1944?
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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that this year's Boat Race between Oxford and Cambridge will take place on the River Great Ouse instead of the River Thames for the first time since 1944?
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Created by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 10:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, but just FYI, the citation isn't offline/behind a paywall, it's accessible from the URL linked below the inline references. Thanks for the review. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, I was only looking at the sentence that specifically says "second time". Editing above. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Behind closed doors?[edit]

There will be no spectators, but 'behind closed doors' seems an inappropriate expression in this context! Mdrb55 (talk) 19:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of RS are saying "behind closed doors". It's not meant in its "literal sense" in any case. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's what the sources say, so correct terminology. Even if there are no physical doors will be closed. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this is a better know phrase in the United States and the U.K., but the phrase "behind close doors" is taken to mean that it is not open to the general public, not that it actually happens behind close doors. Finally, I also agree with Joseph2302, that the sources use this phrase and that lends to use in this article. Jurisdicta (talk) 22:31, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good example of reliable sources being useful for establishing facts and tone, but not style. I take it that the phrase is common in Europe, but this is an international encyclopedia and apparently a topic of global interest if we're putting it on the main page. I literally thought maybe they made the boat race an erg race the first time I read this. There's no accuracy lost and a clear comprehension gain with "without spectators" or "with spectators barred" --Jfhutson (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article is written in British English and the term is linked. It might even be interesting for others to learn about that general concept. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:COMMONALITY: "Use a commonly understood word or phrase in preference to one that has a different meaning because of national differences." For Americans, I think the phrase actually implies a secretive meeting, usually in politics. Also, readers shouldn't have to follow links to understand (MOS:FORCELINK). If we really think there is some educational benefit to teaching Americans this phrase, what about "behind closed doors (meaning with spectators barred)" the first time it is mentioned. --Jfhutson (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Behind closed doors" is terminology also used in many US sports articles e.g. 2020 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament, 2020 NFL season#COVID-19 restrictions. It's a commonly used term during the pandemic, and has a clear meaning. "With no spectators" is not the commonly used terminology in non-US countries, and so we should not be defaulting to terminology used predominantly in the US. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's written in British English. Cheers though. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Fantastically unique"[edit]

Seems rather oxymoronic. Unique is an absolute term. Are we sure Sullivan didn't say "uniquely fantastic," which clearly would make more sense. – Sca (talk) 15:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we're sure. I fail to see why something which is unique can't be fantastic. Or terrible. Or mundane. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) 21:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Link Littleport in the lead
    Linked. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was the first time in the history of the event that both the women's and men's races were officiated by female umpires, in Judith Packer and Sarah Winckless respectively. Delete "in".
    Removed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reserve races are to be held at a later date in Ely. Sudden tense switch to present is disconcerting. Suggest wording similar to that in the body, which does not state that they are to be held in Ely.
    I've removed that altogether. If the reserve races get properly scheduled I'll add it back in then. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The organisers noted that the move to Ely was not only due to COVID-19, but also safety concerns relating to Hammersmith Bridge. I'm inferring that the Ely course is easier to close off? Do we know what the issue was with the Hammersmith Bridge?
    Expanded. And yes, that's the inference, shutting off four miles of central London along the Thames is probably asking too much. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • an unofficial wartime staging of the event Does this mean it doesn't count?
    Yes, "unofficial". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The event was described as being "overshadowed" after allegation of sexual assault What were these allegations? Who was assaulted? (Should it be "an" allegation?)
    Expanded. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the women's crews intended to wear ribbons, to signify support for sexual assault victims Did they?
    I don't think so (or at least I couldn't find a source) so I removed that "intention". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • the trials took place on the Great Ouse behind closed doors I'm having a lot of trouble imagining that. (Send for Sir Bernard Woolley.)
    It's common parlance in BritEng. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Being both outdoors and behind closed doors sounded like a mixed metaphor, but explanation accepted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because of restrictions imposed by the university are we talking about restrictions related to COVID-19?
    Yes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a result of changes to the UK's COVID-19 tier system, neither Winckless nor Packer were able to travel to Ely and both of Oxford's trial races were umpired by Kath Finucane, the reserve race official. What's the COVID-19 tier system, what were the changes to it, and most importantly, who umpired the Cambridge trials? Also: the Men's trials section says that Winckless did officiate.
    Tier system linked. Changes prevented travel to higher tiers (hence why they couldn't go to Ely). Cambridge trials says "and umpired by Packer" and "Officiated by Winckless" so I'm not sure about the confusion here. They couldn't umpire the Oxford trials (so that's why Kath Finucane did). The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The link is a good idea. Those of us outside the UK had not heard of it (although tyhe article had not led me to expect, on clicking on the link, that the whole country is in tier 4) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Aside: they have new boats every year?)
    Not necessarily. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Cambridge women were considered strong favourites to win their race while Oxford's men were favoured to win. Are the bookmaker odds published? Any reason why these teams were favoured?
    There were various odds which changed a bit in the run-up but I've generalised it to the prose. Cambridge women were probably favourites because they have been vastly superior for years and Oxford's men slight favourites because (I think) they were slightly heavier, but the reasoning wasn't given. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditions on race day were reasonably clement with a temperature of 16 °C (61 °F), clear skies but windy Do we know the wind speed/direction?
    Westward crosswind, no speed, added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 cheers, I think I got to them all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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