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Opening comment[edit]

That's funny? Because the first time I tagged this article with a CSD it was created by User talk:Donna000. There was no debate I was allowed to participate in? Hopefully there will be this time unless it is deleted as a speedy. Sting_au Talk 05:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't let class envy blind you to the notability of this elite brand. Ta-ta peons -WikiSkeptic (talk) 04:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a notable organization that needs to have a Wikipedia entry. The article does have NPOV issues and needs to be fixed, but not deleted. mahim (talk) 23:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you consider this a notable organization????? This company doesn't even own hotels and is not a hotel brand. It's only a marketing organization to which hotels subscribe and this page is simply an advertising exercise for a company that in its own Mission Statement (http://corp.lhw.com/default.aspx?page=94) claims to be "the most successful luxury hotel sales, marketing, and distribution company in the world." It doesn't offer any notable content. More importantly, by advertising in Wikipedia the hotels that subscribe to their services, this organization is cleverly exploiting Wikipedia and its readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivyleague100 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Major delete[edit]

I have removed the list of hotels at the bottom. Most were redlinks, and those that were not did not always lead to the hotel in question, but often to a different one with the same name(there are only so many beachy sounding names I guess). I don't know if this has made the organization notable, but it is a start at making this a better article either way. --Djohns21 (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a paragraph on what LHW does as a consortium as opposed to a hotel chain, sourced from a reference identified during the 2nd AFD nomination that appears likely to close as Keep. In addition, the following source has been identified, but for me is behind a paywall: [http://www.amazon.com/Achieving-growth-luxury-market-partnerships/dp/B000ALR1AG Maresco and Lyons, "Achieving growth in the luxury market: the Leading Hotels of the World (LHW) leveraged brand extension, joint venture partnerships, and strategic alliances" in Strategic Finance, May 1 2005]. Finally, another participant in the debate identified a dispute over a web domain in which this company has been involved, located at [1]. In my opinion, this is not notable enough to be mentioned, but putting the link here for future reference. Martinp (talk) 16:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tag removal after AFD 2[edit]

After closing the discussion at AFD 2 as keep, the closer added a diversified portfolio of cleanup tags, specifically "copyedit", "disputed", "refimprove", and "context". Another user has since removed "context" as unnecessary; I am similarly removing the first three. I have reread the article and see no further need for copyediting; this article is no better or worse than the typical wikiarticle in that regard. There was a dispute during the AFD about whether LHW should be called a hotel chain, or marketing organization, or whatnot; I believe this is resolved by calling it a consortium as per the 3rd party independent references. The referencing is much improved and verifies as far as I can tell every material fact in the article. I have kept the marketing stub and "in need of attention from an expert" tags, which I feel are accurate. Expert or thoughtful nonexpert assistance is welcome! Martinp (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List really necessary?[edit]

This article has a brief intro followed by a list of 430 hotels. It feels very un-Wikipedian. On reading the article I really felt like I didn't need all of the hotels listed, as I could easily have followed the link to the organisation's website where that information would have been available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HallucigeniaUK (talk • contribs) 23:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is a good point. A list this long is effectively unmaintainable on a page like this which is edited only very rarely. The article has looked to me like little more than an advertisement since its creation, and removing the list would help it be more encyclopedic. --David Edgar (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All done - entire list removed as I didn't want to cherry pick certain hotels. I'm sure if there are a few prominent hotels that warrant mentioning in the article, they will be added in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HallucigeniaUK (talk • contribs) 23:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What would you know about "unwikipedian". The idea is to get the hotels started and information started, so the list is productive.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:55, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:REDYES, "Create red links everywhere they are relevant to the context, and in which no topic already exists, yet it qualifies to exist for the encyclopedia." Most of these hotels likely meet notability guidelines such as WP:CORPDEPTH. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why was Israel changed to "Palestine" under List of Hotels? Is this vandalism or is every Wikipedia article about Israel going to be changed for political purposes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.47.58.201 (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, this list is unnecessary and non-encyclopedic. I've add the template to the top of the article. I'll leave it here to open debate before boldly removing them. Ajf773 (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Delete Section called "In popular culture" Suggestion[edit]

The company in question is not notable for this. The topic page is about the hotels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadeslair (talk • contribs) 15:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Done. no independent source to show noteworthiness and WP:NOTWEBHOST Jytdog (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 February 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to The Leading Hotels of the World, the original name before the series of moves. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 05:02, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leading Hotels of the World, Ltd. → The Leading Hotels of the World, Ltd. – The actual company name has to include a "The", which is how the company writes its own name and how it is used on the logo. It is also the same in the language versions of other wikipedia articles.Christophstahl (talk) 09:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move back to original title The Leading Hotels of the World (currently a redirect). Article was moved in two steps in 2016 without good reason. Original title meets guidelines at WP:THE and WP:NCCORP. Station1 (talk) 08:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Apparent contradiction in the History section -- clarification needed[edit]

"The company was established in 1928 by a group of European hoteliers. With 38 initial members, among them ... the Mena House in Cairo ... and King David Hotel in Jerusalem... By the end of the 1960s, HRI had grown to represent 70 hotels – all of which were in Europe."

Cairo and Jerusalem are not in Europe.

If there were non-European hotels in 1928 but no longer any by the end of the 1960s, this should be explicitly stated and the article should say why there were no longer any (did they all decide to leave, or did the organization decide to kick them out?).

If there were no non-European hotels from 1928 to the end of the 1960s, then the sentence giving two examples of non-European members in 1928 should be corrected.

If there were non-European hotels at the end of the 1960s, then the sentence saying that all the hotels at the end of the 1960s were in Europe should be corrected.

47.139.43.87 (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]