Talk:Toyota Prius/Archive 5

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Significant Viewpoints Tag

This page doesn't mention the 2009–2011 Toyota vehicle recalls incidents, a major omission. Oldag07 (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add it in as long as it is in a non-sensationalist tone. Stepho talk 22:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

That content belong to the specific generation articles, and a short summary could be added here. I am removing the tag, this issue is not enough to question the current content for such minor omission.--Mariordo (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree (for what it's worth...) Good catch! — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 23:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

US sales

2013 2012 Toyota Prius: 236,659 136,463 Toyota Prius Sedan: 147,507 127,961 Toyota Prius V: 40,669 8,502 Toyota Prius C: 35,733 0 Toyota Prius Phv: 12,750 0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shodoki (talk • contribs) 08:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. We need to double check all facts used. Where did you get these numbers from? The numbers need to be translated into internationally understood calendar years, not US style model years (generally, 2013 US model year matches 2012 calendar year). Also, <br> can be used to separate lines. Thanks. Stepho talk 10:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! I updated the regular Prius through Dec 2012 and the other Prius family vehicles through March 2013. If someone has more updated figures for Japan (several were left through October 2012, please let me know).--Mariordo (talk) 03:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Lead image

original silver image
new white image

An anon IP and myself have been tossing the lead image back and forth. Both are in focus, have good lighting, correct angle, etc. However, the silver image has a background that is non-descript and out-of-focus enough to fade away while the white image has an in-focus black metal fence that competes with the dark window glass. Can somebody chime in on which is the better image. Stepho talk 11:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

The white Prius is sharper, but from a thumbnail view, the silver image is more appealing to me. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

True, the white image is a bit sharper. But the background competes to much with the foreground for my taste. Stepho talk 08:56, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The silver one looks good in thumbnail view, as it is nicely framed by the dark foliage. The white one has another car parked behind. The silver one is my preference. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

The page has now been protected against editing by anon-IP accounts. If they really want the white image back then they will have to come here and explain their reasons. Stepho talk 21:11, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

The same anon-IP is now trying to put in a black image. This image overlaps another black car in the background and the light and shadow on the front windscreen makes it hard to discern the shape. The black paint alo makes it hard to discern the shape of the car. Stepho talk 18:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

And now he's changed it to another black image with lots of other cars in the background. Does he really hate the silver image or is he just yanking our chain? Can somebody else revert him so that I don't get into an edit war with him? Stepho talk 06:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out... OSX (talk • contributions) 19:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Plural is Priuses, not Prii

A worldwide vote does not mean anything - it doesn't change the rules of English grammar and spelling, which state that any proper noun that ends in an 's' has a plural of "-es". Toyota can call their family the Prii all they like, but as far as the English language is concerned, it's Priuses. MisterZed (talk) 15:38, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree that a worldwide vote means nothing. But Toyota's declaration of accepting that vote for what their own vehicle shall be known as overrides it all. If Toyota chooses to put 7 q's into the name then that's what it is. From proper noun: "A proper noun is a noun that in its primary application refers to a unique entity, such as London, Jupiter, Sarah, or Microsoft, as distinguished from a common noun, which usually refers to a class of entities (cities, planets, persons, corporations), or non-unique instances of a certain class (a city, another planet, these persons, our corporation)." When talking of multiple cars, "Prius" becomes just an common noun and then pluralising like octopus/octopi becomes a valid action. Stepho talk 00:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

There's one flaw with your logic here. Let's say for arguments sake that Prius is just a common noun, as you suggest. Common nouns are never capitalized, so we should refer to multiple priuses as "prii" and not "Prii". Toyota really can't have it both ways: it needs to be either Priuses, or prii. Prii makes no sense.MisterZed (talk) 18:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of rules of English (or Latin), Toyota can decide what it wants to call its car in both the singular and plural. It it wanted to call a single car Prius and multiple cars Pridorkulatrix (for a made-up, extreme example) then it has the right. I don't know of a single rule of English that applies in all cases. English has borrowed both words and grammar from other languages (eg Anglo-Saxxon, Latin, German, French), so it is a mixed bag of different rules applied in different situations. Adding one more plural rule (or rather, extending the existing octopus/octopi rule) for a newly borrowed Latin word is no drama. Stepho talk 00:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Toyota cannot decide how to pluralize a proper noun - even its own proper noun. If Apple decided that the pluralization of iPhone was iPhoner, that wouldn't make it a grammatically valid pluralization nor would anybody be obligated to use it. When the wikipedia page refers to "Prii," it honestly sounds ridiculous.84.108.9.104 (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree that it is a stupid word. Nonetheless, Toyota made-up both the car and the word, therefore they get the right to make-up the plural form. English has borrowed words from many languages. Sometimes it uses previous English rules for plurals (eg piano borrowed from Italian becomes pianos instead of the Italian piani) and sometimes it uses the rules from the donor language (octopus becomes octopi - although apparently based on a misunderstanding of the Latin [1]). So for a new word to deviate from the common English plural form is no big drama. Stepho talk 00:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

What actually matters is usage in reliable sources. Reliable sources overwhelming continue to use "Priuses" over "Prii" as can be seen in comparing this Google Books search with this search. Even many of the "Prii" references are about the plural vote, not using the word itself as a plural. I went ahead and removed "Prii" from the lead, and updated the terminology section. I'd be happy if we changed "Prii" to "Priuses" in the article text as well since it is the majority usage, but wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on that first. Dohn joe (talk) 01:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, many sources do say "Priuses". That does not mean they are right. As I said above, I think the word "Prii" sucks but it is the only official plural that Toyota has given for the made up word "Prius". Since the word "Prius" was created by Toyota, they also get to create the plural form. English rules vary wildly over what the correct plural form should be, so appealing to grammar is useless. And reliable sources also vary wildly, so appealing to them is also useless. So that leaves us only with the official plural. Stepho talk 07:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

The issue here, though, is that Wikipedia has a strong preference for preferring actual usage in reliable sources over the official name of something. See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL for example. And in this case, reliable sources do not "vary wildly" - they all use one of the two plurals. And it just so happens that most sources use "Priuses" over "Prii". We've now had around four years to assess the impact of the plural "Prii". And it just has not caught on as the majority usage. We should definitely keep the description of the vote and the usage by Toyota. But for our article we should follow the clear majority usage in reliable sources unless someone can think of another WP policy-based reason why we should not. Dohn joe (talk) 13:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Dohn joe. Standard English plus third party usage would trump a marketing neologism. This is similar to the "Volkswagen up!" which we standardised to Volkswagen Up. I have no issue mentioning the Prii competition from a few years back though. OSX (talk • contributions) 03:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the lack of real world traction has bothered me too. You've worn me down, I withdraw my objection to calling them "Priuses". Stepho talk 05:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

1568 Ukrainian police cars

Andrew J.Kurbiko, your claim of 1568 Priuses being provided for free to the Ukrainian police is a rather big claim and you have provided no supporting reference to back it up. For such a big claim, it is vital that you back it up. Otherwise we have no way if knowing if you claim is true, a misunderstanding or complete lies.

Also, the WP:BRD guideline says that if you edit was reverted then there is reason to start a discussion. Reinstating your version only leads to an edit war where we both try to enforce our own view. Instead, this is your chance to present your view and possibly convince me to change to your view. Thanks. Stepho talk 08:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

okay, thank you. there was a reference in article about police, but if you do think its an important fact and thing is in a reference, ill add it. --Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) 15:23, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Andrew, thanks for the reference, that verifies that we are talking about something real. But we still nedd to clarify some details. These cars were "provided". Does that mean the Ukrainian police revied them for free, just a discount or something else? Did the Japanese government pay the difference or did Toyota give a discount or both? Obviously a Prius is useless in a high speed pursuit (my wife has one and it is not a fast car), so what are the police using them for? Did they receive all 1568 of them in one ceremony or just a few? When will the others arrive. What are the details of the Kyoto Accord that these come under? Stepho talk 09:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Dimensions

The article doesn't have any dimensions (L x W x H, weight)for any model Prius. Is there a reason for omitting dimensions?Santamoly (talk) 09:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Santamoy. This is the mother/core article about the Prius, and since each gen has different dimensions and other specs, those features are detailed only in the infobox of each of the articles that branch out from here to the specific generation. The infoboxes here are supposed to have only very general info. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Journalists do report some safety issues

Toyota to settle lawsuit over Prius headlights that shut off without warning, Los Angeles Times, Ken Bensinger, Jan. 19, 2011.

"A review of the NHTSA database shows that 49% of all complaints about 2006 to 2009 Priuses were related to lighting, headlamps or visibility. That far outnumbers complaints of sudden acceleration or braking issues in the vehicles, both of which have led to recalls."

Let's try to cover this just right down the middle. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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2013 Prius Persona

It appears that the 2013 Prius Persona SE was left out of the article. It came in three colors: Black Cherry Pearl, Barcelona Red and Blizzard Pearl. This was the only year/model of Prius that came in Black Cherry Pearl.

24.205.81.14 (talk) 19:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)Doug Mitchell (owner of a 2013 Prius Persona SE in black cherry pearl.

Find some references. Find which years it applied to (I saw hints at 2013 and 2015). Find which markets it applies to (US only, N.Anerica only, global?). Is it anything more than a colour and wheels trim package? Stepho talk 23:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Prius Oil Consumption Design Defect

If you google the terms "prius oil consumption", large numbers of complaints will display regarding the 3rd generation Prius. As the car reaches about 80 to 110 kmiles, users report greatly increased oil consumption, often exceeding 1 quart per 1000 miles. When this starts, it is common for the engine to empty its own crankcase before the next oil change. If the user does not notice the low oil pressure warning on the display, he may loose the engine entirely. Once discovered, users need to frequently top off the oil to prevent running out the engine oil.

It might be suggested that there is no longer a need for regular oil changes as the oil does not remain in the engine long enough to need replacement.

Users report the oil is being burned. Typically there are no drippings. Heavy black soot will often be found in the exhaust pipe. Thus, the "green" aspect that attracted the buyers is reduced by the large amounts of oil being burned and emitted.

In the USA, the problem started with the 2010 year which shows over 100 complaints at carcomplaints.com. The 2011 and later years are also starting to collect complaints as they age to the same mileage levels.

Toyota has done nothing to fix this for Prius owners.

Perhaps this should be written up in third generation Prius section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.227.102 (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Have your google searches turned up any published articles from reliable sources that describe this defect? -- Fyrael (talk) 06:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

There are some youtube videos of people disassembling engines and finding clogged oil ports in the pistons. It also appears to be part of a greater problem such as the service campaign here for other toyota engines https://www.toyoheadquarters.com/threads/excessive-oil-consumption-on-2az-fe-engine-lsc-ze7.362/ Here, Toyota extended coverage as part of a class action settlement. Prius was left out of the settlement.

Toyota has now published a Prius service bulletins at http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=197077 and http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=197076

So, they know of the problem. But, since it happens after the 60000 mile engine warranty they apparently do not believe they have any obligation to the owners. (At least until another court case like the one cooking up here https://chimicles.com/toyota-prius-oil-burning-class-action-investigation/ ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.227.102 (talk) 14:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I propose we split XW50 Prius into its own article.

Hello all,

Since the current Prius has been on sale for about three years now, there is a wealth of information that is sufficient enough (and can comply with quality guidelines) for a split. What do you think? I can't do it alone, though! Kaio mh (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Excellent idea. I will help out too. Stepho talk 09:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I've done a brute force shift of the entire section to Toyota Prius (XW50), leaving just a summary in the old place and a link. Of course, others can feel free to make further changes. The third gen "summary" could use a lot of pruning too - all the details belong in Toyota Prius (XW30). Stepho talk 22:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks EurovisionNim

, it's much neater now. Stepho talk 10:37, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you guys! It looks so much better now. Sorry this is so late. Kaio mh (talk) 06:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Stepho talk 10:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

120V outlet option for Prius and Plug-in in America?

I came across this old article (2012). It says Toyota offered an option that made your Prius or Prius Plug-In, in effect, a mobile gasoline emergency generator! https://www.greenoptimistic.com/toyota-prius-is-now-an-emergency-backup-generator-20121025

How long did they offer this option? On what models? Did they offer it on the Prius V? Is it still offered in America?

IMO, there should be a mention of this somewhere in the Prius article. Phantom in ca (talk) 05:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

American vs British English

LucasA04 contends that the article used primarily American English instead of British English and he therefore changed the spelling of one instance of "fibres" to "fibers" and changed the infobox to use American spelling for curb/kerb weight (although that doesn't actually show up in this instance). Looking for common British/American spelling differences, I see 4 instances of "litre" and none of "liter", 1 instance of "metre" and none of "meter" and none of "colour" or "color". This looks more British than American to me. Did I miss some something? Stepho talk 01:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Stepho-wrs: Hm, I see, I will self-revert, but before I do that I want to tell you that you do not have to be so hurt about someone undoing your edit. I would have liked for you to talk to me on my talk page but you put me up on the chopping block by putting it here. I did not change the userbox in any way, you in fact changed the template parameter to UK. I was only undoing your edit, nothing more. LucasA04 (talk) 01:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Not hurt. If I was hurt then I might call you an arsehole, comment on your country and enlighten you on your maternal ancestry. All of which, of course, would reflect more on me than on you. Instead, I merely presented the dry facts and even asked if it was me that had made a mistake.

I have found it far more useful to put all discussions about an article on the article's own talk page. That allows other people interested in that article to comment. Just in case there are aspects that both of us missed or aspects that could be usefully applied to other articles. All done respectfully and assuming good faith all 'round. It also avoids the feeling that others are making secret agreements and then springing them on us without warning.

Anyway, I'm glad we sorted it out amicably and thank you for the self-revert. Stepho talk 00:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Stepho-wrs, Amicably? I would beg to differ but let's just call it that. I was only trying to improve the article, not to try to make a point or go against you. I actually like some of your words that you guys use, it sounds all proper and former and adds flavour(hehe) to my all-American vocabulary. LucasA04 (talk) 03:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem. I intended no nastiness to you and assumed no nastiness from you. My apologies it it came across wrong. We're all here to improve things. Stepho talk 10:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Weird Preview Box

Hi all, I not an experienced Wikipedia editor so not sure how to fix this, but the floating preview box for the Prius page has been hijacked and appears to contain spam (not the main page; this is the little box that comes up when you hover over the hyperlink from another wiki page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.145.57 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Not clear what you are tryign to say. Are you talking about links from this page to another or links from another page to here? Does it happen on links to/from many pages or just to/from specific pages? Can you narrow it down to a specific instance on a specific page? Stepho talk 22:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Battery reconditioning

I'm not able to find this topic for battery reconditioning in Wikipedia, but it's been recommended elsewhere as a way to extend battery life for NIMH and lithium batteries.

Here's a commercial site discussing the technologies:

https://www.mechanicscout.com/battery-reconditioning/

Any thoughts?

Kortoso (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)