Talk:USS North Carolina (BB-55)/Archive 1

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Battleship Memorial pictures?

Could anyone add a color picture of the North Carolina as it is now? --Howdybob 04:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I just added the type of photo you had in mind. 'Card 16:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Overlinking?

I think it might not hurt to cut more of the place links. Not sure though. --Howdybob 12:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture size!

The pic at the top is enormous! Even when I go back to older versions it's the same, bigger than it was when those versions were created. Can anybody fix it? --Howdybob 01:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I added "300px|" to set the displayed image's width to 300 pixels.
—wwoods 19:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Advertisement?

The link at the bottom Vacation near the Battleship NC on Topsail Island seems like it's just a link to some page advertising a realty. Delete? 65.188.147.122 05:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL! That's bold, isn't it? Yeah, blatant ad. Tracked back user and they'd added the same thing to 3 other pages. I'll delete them all. 'Card 08:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Paint job??

What's the story on that crazy camoflague paint in that new picture? Is that the way it was painted during the war? --Howdybob 02:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they say that the new paint job reflects the way it looked during the war. Well, it isn't really a 'new' paint job. I think it's been that way for 3 or 4 years now. 'Card 05:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


The ship carried four different paint jobs from Commission to Decommission. They were measure 2, measure 12, measure 21, and measure 32. Measure 32 is the crazy one mentioned above. 12.76.224.248 20:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)Chuck Paty, former Radioman 2c USS North Carolina.

The paint scheme is called Dazzle. It not designed to make the ship hard to see, but designed to make the ship hard to identify. In some "Dazzle" paint schemes the bow might be painted a lighter shade, making the battleship look like a cruiser. It is also hard to figure the relative angle that the ship is travelling, something essential for submarines to target their torpedoes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.31.93 (talk) 04:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Just adding on to what @98.26.31.93: said, the Dazzle paint also help keep the speed unidentifiable by either distracting and making the course unknown, or by painting a false bow wave making the enemy think they are traveling faster than the realy are. A 10 fireplane (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Article Improvements

I'm all about improving this article, but I'm a little new at this. While I can manage sourcing and adding material, shouldn't we add some more photographs? There are enough of them out there.

While I have a feeling I'm not throwing anything new out there, the National Park Service has some great photos here:

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/butowsky1/northcarolina.htm

And of course, as noted in the article Navsource.org has quite a few as well:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/55a.htm

Like I said, I'm new at this, so I'm not familiar with the use of images, but I imagine some of you are.

Beloch05 (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

How about a brief reference to "Charlie", the unofficial mascot of the USS North Carolina. He's a big bull alligator that has lived in the water around the ship for decades and there's a plaque describing him on the port side of the ship near the number 2 turret. There's a large female, named "Charlene" that also lives there.CharmsDad (talk) 05:45, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

The Ships Future

Reading the article I was surprised to find a image at the bottom captioned

"Fireworks illuminate the skies over Battleship North Carolina capping week long celebrations surrounding the commissioning the newest Virginia-class nuclear attack submarine North Carolina (SSN-777) on 3 May 2009."

Since Today is 25 March 2009, This picture won't occur for another Month. Barring the use to timetrasniting cameramen, the Caption might be wrong. But as expect of a event that hasn't occurred the main article doesn't mention it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.219.42.60 (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

sourcing, et al

Much of this page reads as if it were "heavily copied" from citation 55 (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/battleships/ncarolina/bb55-nc.html, as of this writing). While a sophomoric job of sentance rearranging has been done, it wouldn't pass muster as "original work." Not being familiar with the wikipedia standards, I'm not sure if this is par for the course or not. The information here is certainly helpful and obviously properly sourced, but it seems that much more of it should be quoted or refer directly to the source material.

74.223.107.154 (talk) 02:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, that is a tricky slope. The link you quote is from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, which is a work of the United States government and therefore in the public domain. So copyright-wise it is fine.
What it may not pass is the guideline on plagiarism—as the material isn't quoted with a block quote or quotation marks—but there have been many debates about whether this has to be done. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 02:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Removing a couple of images

Feel free to revert. I've looked at all the other featured articles on USS ships, and they rarely have more than one image on the left in sections where the long infobox is on the right. More and more people access Wikipedia on small screens, and two images on the same line can be a problem. Also, I couldn't make out anything in the image of the launch that added to my understanding, and the image "preparing to depart from Norfolk" was too grainy to make out any interesting details. - Dank (push to talk) 22:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Date on "Heavy Seas" photograph

The photograph of the "North Carolina" in the big ocean swell appears to be incorrectly dated. A search of NavSource photos and the Wiki-article itself indicates that the ship's characteristic catwalk surrounding the superstructure was added before November of 1943. That is the date given for a shot of the ship in the Gilbert Islands, wearing her Measure 32 paint. There is a NavSource photo of the ship in August of '43 without the catwalk, and in the simple Measure 21 camouflage. Full magnification of the "heavy seas" photo does not reveal obvious censorship in the area of the catwalk, so I propose that the picture was taken after the Measure 32 paint job, but before the metal clad catwalk was added, ie before November of 1943. Can anyone with a more complete knowledge of the Show Boat's yard visits confirm dates on those events? As a Washington state resident and student of the "USS Washington", I am on unfamiliar turf regarding the modifications to the "North Carolina". (Biplaner (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC))

I'll look into this as soon as I can. Another identifying trait could be what radar is mounted in the photo in question. Tangent point: if you are a student of Washington, I would welcome any assistance you could provide as I rewrite that article. Regards, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 17:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ghosts aboard the Battleship North Carolina

Port City Paranormal has been investigating the battleship for over three years in an attempt to provide evidence of the haunting. Our investigations have revealed many voices including women, and the possible identification of the sailors who continue to stand watch . Interested in investigating or sharing evidence? please contact us. Port City Paranormal 19:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)JCAnderson, port City Paranormal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Port City Paranormal (talk • contribs)

Question of fact: 1, "battleship is too large to fit under either of these bridges."

This discussion concerns the statement in the article "This may also have been done as two bridges crossing the Cape Fear River have been constructed since the ship's arrival in Wilmington, and the battleship is too large to fit under either of these bridges." There is only one bridge, Cape Fear Memorial Bridge, that stands between the battleship and the open Atlantic Ocean. The Cape Fear Memorial Bridge has a clearance of 135 feet ([1]). The U.S.S North Carolina has a maximum height (top of tower) of 120 feet ([2]). Request for the contributor or editor of the quoted line above submit data that proves the battleship cannot clear all obstacles to the Atlantic Ocean. Specifically, by naming the bridges that impede the battleships movement and the clearance of any such bridges. T44florida (talk) 09:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Ships main battery

It says here that the ship had 9 16inch guns. But 16inch equals 406mm and not 410mm as it is written in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimitz1943 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Bridge to ship

(Comment moved from article space by JoannaSerah (talk) 16:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC))

There is only one bridge between the ship and the ocean, The Cape Fear Memorial Bridge. The article mentions two bridges at the end of the article but the other Bridge is to the north of the ship's berth which is the opposite direction to the sea; it's name is the Isabelle Holmes Bridge. Sandy Monroe, Board of Directors, Friends of the Battleship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.0.13 (talk) 02:50, 26 February 2012‎ (UTC)

Hi, I'm the primary author of North Carolina class. This issue was also raised last year, but I don't think anyone noticed it. I've removed the offending sentence and thank you for your contribution. Let me know if I can help in any other way, either on this page, my "talk" page, or via email. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Friendly fire incident

Moved from article, author unknown:

The site of the friendly fire incident was the base of the port side Mark 37 Director, not the signal bridge. The circular patch over the five inch shell hole can still be seen from the exterior of the director base on the North Carolina today. See the Warships Pictorial book "USS North Carolina" for further details and photos of the damage and the subsequent repair.

I presume this is referring to this incident in our article:

Strikes on targets in the Japanese home islands laid the ground-work for the Okinawa assault, in which North Carolina played her dual role, of bombardment and carrier screening. Here, on 6 April, she downed three kamikazes, but took a 5 in (130 mm) hit from a friendly ship during the melee of anti-aircraft fire. Three men were killed and 44 wounded

--Pete Tillman (talk) 05:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Service during World War II

"Early in 1941...." Shouldn't this be 1942? Asgrrr (talk) 05:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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names

Davemck - I see that the name Zelma Thomasson used to be in the article as someone who helped preserve the ship. This has been changed to James Craig, (with a ref added, which is fine), but does that mean Zelma's name shouldn't be there? Or that is should also be there? Just curious. Cheers - theWOLFchild 03:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wolf. Actually, it was 75.110.116.97 who changed Zelma to James Craig, but (s)he added a url= parm to the {{cite web}}, which is invalid. I put the new url= in a separate ref. I don't know the answer to your question, but I see that Zelma isn't mentioned in either ref, whereas James is. Davemck (talk) 04:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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