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Nomination of Mascalls corner for deletion

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Flypop (April 6)

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Theroadislong (talk) 15:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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Splits require attribution

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Yury Krapov moved to draftspace

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Église Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Saint-Jean-de-Luz moved to draftspace

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Église Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Saint-Jean-de-Luz has been accepted

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Duplex A86 moved to draftspace

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Camp Nou (Barcelona Metro) moved to draftspace

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Nomination of Laddingford Aerodrome for deletion

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Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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Prime (sports drink)

I have started a thread at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Prime (sports drink). You may wish to comment. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hello Tbf69! Your additions to Christ Church, Snodland have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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My apologies.

Thank you for correcting Christ Church, Snodland. Tbf69 19:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Miniminter (January 4)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: W2S (January 5)

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Thanks for the thanks

For Spon Bridge. Is the subject of interest to you or did you stumble across it at random? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I happened to stumble across it on the 10,000 project.

Looks like a good article :) Tbf69 22:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Peter's Church, Maidstone

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Your GA nomination of St Peter's Church, Maidstone

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Copyright concerns

Hi @Tbf69, following the GA review and quickfail of St Peter's Church, Maidstone, I thought I'd send you a separate message about copyright violation and close paraphrasing. As Diannaa has mentioned above, please do not directly copy or closely paraphrase text from sources–the article should be written in your own words. As detailed in the review talk page, there is evidence of copyright violation which you can identify from comparing the source and article side-by-side, or if you prefer by using the Earwig copyvio tool.

I'd suggest checking for similar instances in other articles you have contributed to. If you have any questions do let me know, happy to help as much as I can if you need further information or clarifications. Unexpectedlydian^♯4talk^‽ 12:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Sklavenitis moved to draftspace

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Speedy deletion nomination of Krónan

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Krónan for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:42, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Churches

Please note that in general articles on Western European churches use the native name, not an English translation, as these are far more common in sources. WP:UE does not mandate the translation of everything into English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Tbf69 11:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

"Finalnd" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Christ Church, Snodland moved to draftspace

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List of supermarket chains in Brazil moved to draftspace

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Ignore all rules does not mean you can move a rejected draft

I suggest you read what Ignore all Rules actually means. It does not mean that you can move an article that has been rejected out of draftspace, especially since you seem to be very inexperienced. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Tbf69 17:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Please slow down

You've been making a lot of page moves. Some of them have been reverted already (Le Train and as described in the preceding thread), and others hotly contested [1]. I saw you moved Canadian comfort cab to Wide-nose locomotive, citing a blog. That's not a reliable source and you should not have made the move based solely on said blog. The name of the article should be determined by what is most used in reliable sources, and you clearly did not make an actual attempt to gauge what reliable sources say. You're still a fairly new editor, and you've made some moves that should not have been made, likely because you are going too fast. Please slow down. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Tbf69 15:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius moved to draftspace

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Incidentally, a full circle

Transport in Sydney → Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales → Public transport in Sydney and metropolitan New South Wales → Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales → Public transport in Sydney → Transportation in Sydney → Transport in Sydney

Date	From	To	Performer	Comment
2006-12-14T11:49:00Z	Transport in Sydney	Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales	Single16+Sections (talk | contribs)	The article doesn't really cover transport in Sydney
2007-01-04T13:07:54Z	Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales	Public transport in Sydney and metropolitan New South Wales	RaptorRobot (talk | contribs)
2007-01-04T14:09:47Z	Public transport in Sydney and metropolitan New South Wales	Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales	JPD (talk | contribs)	revert (cumbersome title, probably Jackp)
2008-01-28T13:20:36Z	Public transport in metropolitan New South Wales	Public transport in Sydney	Aucitypops (talk | contribs)	this article is focused on Sydney. (plus, what is 'metropolitan NSW')??
2019-10-25T10:02:31Z	Public transport in Sydney	Transportation in Sydney	Democfest (talk | contribs)	New heading will better reflect and encompass all forms of transport in Sydney, as seen with equivalent articles for other cities, which are usually titled as "Transport in (city)" instead of being restricted only to public transport
2023-02-05T11:03:29Z	Transportation in Sydney	Transport in Sydney	Robertsky (talk | contribs)	Requested by Tbf69 at WP:RM/TR : Australian English would generally prefer "Transport in xxx", see Transport in Melbourne, Transport in Adelaide, Transport in Perth, Western Australia and Transport in Brisbane

– robertsky (talk) 11:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hahahaha, indeed a full circle! 😂 --Tbf69 11:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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Re: Boxing matches

I see. In which case, wouldn't Dillian Whyte v Jermaine Franklin be the correct format, if we're adhering to UK standards? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure!

You're probably best off asking @Squared.Circle.Boxing on that one

From what I've heard all UK matches should use "vs" --Tbf69 22:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought it was like the yanks; vs for sport, v for legal. It looks like @Mac Dreamstate: is right. – ².O.^Boxing 05:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Personally I like "vs" without the full stop, and I don't really like "v".

Maybe WP:BOXING should standardize article titles with "vs", as there are plenty of instances of US sources using it.

-- Tbf69 15:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

A guideline you should be aware of...

Re this [2], see Wikipedia:Canvassing. Though I've no idea why you think I would be interested anyway. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

February 2023

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WP:USPLACE

Hello, are you aware of WP:USPLACE? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:04, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Transport

I think you should check out MV#POST. Looks like you got a lot of cleaning up to do. I suggest you start with the templates first. Masterhatch (talk) 19:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, could you elaborate please?

Also, what do you mean by MV#POST? --- Tbf69 userpage • usertalk 19:30, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Oops. That was a typo. Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move. Masterhatch (talk) 19:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

About the templates, I can't see many templates that need cleaning up. --- Tbf69 userpage • usertalk 19:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I got the one at Transport in Saskatchewan. There's another one at Transport in Thunder Bay. Always check the what links here when you move an article. Not every link needs to be fixed but its a good idea to at least look for templates. Masterhatch (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

There's two templates at Transport in Calgary that now need to be changed. Betcha most of the Canadian related pages you moved have template limks. Please, when you move a page, check the what links here. Fixing templates and looking for double redirects doesn't take long but is important. Thanks! Masterhatch (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Airport line, Perth move

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Prime

Please stop edit warring to force your changes to Prime. Please read WP:BRD. You made a bold change to Prime, changing the long-standing target, without discussion. I reverted this change, and now it's up to you to start a discussion and find WP:CONSENSUS for your change. Discussion means a starting a proper discussion on a talk page; an edit summary is not a discussion, and that some editor thanked you is not at all relevant. Lennart97 (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Starting a discussion on the talk page, per WP:DR

Talk:Prime (disambiguation)#Should Prime be a WP:D page (Prime (disambiguation)), or be a redirect to Prime number? --- Tbf69 P • T 08:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that you have been here for over 3 years, and made over 1700 edits, without being aware of Wikipedia's policy on edit-warring, but you don't seem to have ever received a warning about it before, so I shall give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you didn't know. However, if you didn't, then read Wikipedia:Edit war now, because if you continue the edit-war you will almost certainly be blocked from editing. JBW (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I am aware of WP:EW and I am confident I have not engaged in an edit war.

The clear standard of an edit was is three reverts (WP:3RR), which I made, and didn't go over. --- Tbf69 P • T 22:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

FRom WP:3RR: it is absolutely possible to engage in edit warring without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Starting a discussion on the talk page, per WP:DR

Talk:Prime (disambiguation)#Should Prime be a WP:D page (Prime (disambiguation)), or be a redirect to Prime number? --- Tbf69 P • T 08:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Transport vs. Transportation

Hi... on what basis are you claiming "transport" is more common in Canadian English? I would say transport is more common when talking about goods/economy/commerce but in terms of things like moving people, especially transit, we use "public transportATION" here. You are making a lot of page moves without, from what I can see, much backing other than your say-so that transport is the right article title.

For instance, right in the opening of Transport in Canada, there are references to both Transport Canada and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, so not sure what you're basing this sweeping "transport is more common than transportation in Canada" statement on. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't move any articles which didn't need moving.

All of them are designed to follow the standard of "Transport in Xxx" on Wikipedia.

Some of the moves I made:

• Transport in Oslo
• Transport in Vienna
• Transport in Mumbai
• Transport in Sydney (via WP:RMT)

With regards to the Canadian ones, "Transport" is more widely used in Canadian English, especially by the government. See Transport Canada.

Therefore, I believe that using the "Transport in Xxx" for Canadian articles creates a nice balance between WP:COMMONNAME, WP:OFFICIALNAME, and precedent. --- Tbf69 P • T 08:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Unsolicited advice

Starting another move request, right after the previous one was SNOW closed and everyone supported keeping the article at the current target, is likely to piss people off. It makes it seem as if you are ignoring consensus, and you'll notice someone linked WP:IDHT in respect to your behavior. Doing stuff like this is a good way to eventually end up at WP:ANI. I'm not threatening to take you there, but I want you to slow down and also check talk page history before making moves or move requests, as sometimes the moves you are proposing have been previously discussed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. Thanks for advising me --- Tbf69 P • T 15:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

National Rail Corporation move

Hello. Why did you make this move? The edit summary doesn't explain and it looks wrong. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Natural disambiguation is preferred over brackets. Steelkamp (talk) 02:43, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Some help please!

Following the result of an RfC (see Template talk:Infobox boxing match#RfC about fighter age), I've added Age to Template:Infobox boxing match, and updated the documentation. However I am hoping to change it to automatically add age to the infobox. I hope to use the source code at User:Tbf69/sandbox/datetest, for this, however I need to use code that will be retrieve the fighters name, date-of-birth and the fight date. I'm not sure how to do this though. --- Tbf69 P • T 15:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a discussion best held at Template talk:Infobox boxing match (and potentially with a cross-post to WT:WPT and maybe WP:VPT), but my off-the-cuff answer is that I'm not entirely sure what you're asking about. You cannot simply automatically add the in-article age for a page to the template, which means you will have to add the age to the article(s) that need updating. If you can get a list/database of specific pages matching up with specific changes you want made, you could potentially have a bot or AWB user go through and update it, but (as I said this is a quick answer) I think the best thing to do is simply update pages manually. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:Israeli power station stubs has been nominated for merging

Category:Israeli power station stubs has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Bearcat (talk) 17:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Move of Rail gauge in Australia to Track gauge in Australia

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your bold move of Rail gauge in Australia has been reverted because an editor has found it to be controversial. Per Wikipedia:Requested moves, a move request must be placed on the article's talk page, and the request be open for discussion for seven days, "if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested". If you believe that this move is appropriate, please initiate such a discussion to form the appropriate consensus. Again, please note that moving a page with a longstanding title and/or a large number of incoming links is more likely to be considered controversial, and may be contested. Note that such consensus is particularly required before moving a title with incoming links in order to create a disambiguation page at that title.

Consistency of names within a particular area is a good thing but you need to be aware of WP:ENGVAR. Different areas and countries have different ways of referring to them and in Australia the term Rail Gauge is used as can be seen by the formal title of the Royal Commissions and more.

As a broader comment you should make a formal move proposal via WP:RM rather than just moving things without discussion otherwise you will likely be taken to WP:ANI.

Gusfriend (talk) 22:59, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

About your RfC about city naming

Hi, Tbf69. A comment about your RfC for naming U.S cities: It is your RfC, and of course you are keeping a close eye on it. But you don’t have to reply to everyone, or challenge every person who disagrees with you. Your reply to Donald Albury, after he made his position clear, was simply sarcastic, and your insistence on citing WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, WP:CONSISTENT and WP:PRECISE over and over is getting close to WP:Bludgeon. Please sit back and let the discussion proceed without constantly reiterating your position. Thanks. MelanieN (talk) 23:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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Please use accurate edit summaries

Your edit summary here was a POV change in the lead that was not accurately summarized as "cleanup". Please use more care. VQuakr (talk) 19:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Kingston upon Hull

Hi Tbf69. I've reverted your page move of Kingston upon Hull. See User_talk:SilkTork#Talk_page_archiving. As this is a long standing name, and is the name used by reliable sources, and is the common name, it would be more appropriate to get consensus for such a move. SilkTork (talk) 11:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@SilkTork: The common name is "Hull". JBW (talk) 09:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

JBW. We can't use "Hull" as that is already used: Hull, so we use the next most common term. Kingston upon Hull is the next most common name, and is the most common name among reliable sources. And Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, which is what the article was moved to, is not a viable alternative as "Kingston upon Hull" is used more often than "Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire". SilkTork (talk) 12:38, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Page moves

Currently on this talk page there are 6 different posts about page moves without gaining prior consensus which then were reverted. For Kingston upon Hull the talk page already had discussion about the naming indicating that it was likely to be a contested move. I strongly suggest that you start using the process at WP:RSPM rather than making BOLD moves before you are taken to WP:ANI and someone suggests that you are banned from BOLD page moves. Gusfriend (talk) 22:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I second this. I've been trying to guide you because I think you mean well, but if this keeps up you are going to end up sanctioned. Editing isn't a race, and you need to slow down and use the requested move process if there's even a slight chance someone might object. You've been told this many times. Essentially all of the issues you're running into could have been averted if you slowed down and were more careful. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

You just duplicated an article

You created Hitachi Rail yesterday. What you've done is effectively duplicated Hitachi Rail Italy. Despite the different names, both articles are referring to the same company, and if you had read Talk:Hitachi Rail, you would have seen a link to this discussion in 2021, where moving to Hitachi Rail was proposed but closed as no consensus. The proper thing would have been to open another requested move if you believe the facts have changed such that the move is now appropriate, not barrel ahead as if the move would be uncontested when clearly it wouldn't be. I'm really running out of patience with your continued messing up of articles despite numerous warnings. At this point you are very close to a trip to ANI, which will not end well for you. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

You'll see that Hitachi Rail is about the Japanese train company. Hitachi Rail Italy is about the subsidiary of Hitachi Rail which was formerly AnsaldoBreda. They are not the same company. --- Tbf69 P • T 15:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

First, if you're going to do a split, you need to change the article rating on the talk page, which you did not do. Second, the Hitachi Rail article was merged into Hitachi in 2010, and BLAR'd again in 2017. Why split it out now? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:CORRECTSPLIT "changing the article rating" isn't necessary. Anyway, I split the article because it seemed like the right thing to do, as Hitachi Rail is a major notable rolling stock manufacturer. --- Tbf69 P • T 16:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I feel like a split proposal would have been much more appropriate in this instance. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 01:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:SPLIT: If an article meets the criteria for splitting and no discussion is required, editors can be bold and carry out the split. - Tbf69 🛈 🗩 09:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Even then, you're generally better off opening a discussion and gaining consensus, especially for a previously contentious article. I'm not against being bold, but Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, after all. Just because a policy or guideline says that discussion might not be required in a situation doesn't mean it's not optimal. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 20:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

When you convert an page from a redirect into a full article, you need to change the rating so it doesn't remain as "redirect". That's unambiguous. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 20:30, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Slow down

Hello. I can see you've been editing here regularly for the last two and a half months. I can also see that your user talk page, and Archive 1, are filled with various editors complaining about a variety of your edits and asking you to slow down. I haven't looked into the details of those complaints, but it's unusual for a new editor to get so many complaints from so many different editors about so many different edits (copyright, moves, edit warring, canvassing, you name it).

Today, you started your fourth concurrent broad RFC in the past month: 1, 2, 3, 4. Some editors in these RFCs are complaining about your failure to follow WP:RFC, e.g. WP:RFCBEFORE and WP:RFCBRIEF. In the 4th RFC, you created a new naming convention page and proposed its adoption, apparently without discussing it anywhere first. I've never seen an editor with less than 3 months tenure start a new naming convention page before.

In sum: you're wasting a lot of people's time by doing things that you aren't really ready to do, like bold page moves and launching multiple RFCs. Generally speaking, editors don't launch multiple RFCs at the same time, because RFCs are expensive, and we need to be careful about how we use community resources. Some might start two RFCs in a month... but 4? That's excessive. I am the umpteenth editor to come by your talk page and ask you to stop/slow down what you're doing. Please heed these requests. Please don't launch any more RFCs until you have more RFC participation experience, and until you understand WP:RFC, including WP:RFCBEFORE, etc. Don't launch policy RFCs until you have experience launching smaller, non-policy RFCs with success. Don't propose entirely new policies until you have experience launching policy RFCs with success. The same with bold page moves: don't do those until you have a lot of experience participating in WP:RMs and you know how page moves work.

We don't have any formal rules or technical barriers that prevent new editors from launching RFCs and such, but 99% of editors have the common sense not to launch multiple policy RFCs in their first few months of editing. Please, recognize you're new, start slow, build your way up slowly. Levivich (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

If you want some evidence that I can use RMs see the ongoing RM at 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. --- Tbf69 P • T 19:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, I've just closed the WP:SNOW RfC. --- Tbf69 P • T 19:33, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

You did not close it, you simply deleted the tag. And that gets to the heart of the problem: you're not familiar with these rather complex processes, and it creates extra work for other editors. I happened across this discussion because I was also coming to this talk page to ask you to slow down with the policy-related RfCs. You might also want to consider changing your signature, because the font is too big and the thick red letters are distracting. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, I closed the WP:SNOW RfC as described in WP:RFCEND.

Secondly, I've changed my signature, as you asked. - Tbf69 🛈 🗩 09:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

This was inexplicable. Why would you nominate for GA an article you've never actually made any substantial edits to? I'm not trying to discourage you from the GA process, but you cannot simply perform drive-by nominations on articles you have no involvement in editing, per WP:GAN/I#N1. I want to emphasize editors have been extremely patient with you. If someone took you to ANI right now, it would almost certainly end in sanctions for you. I don't want to have to take you to ANI, and most editors don't enjoy doing so either, but you're making it more and more likely that there's no choice but to do so. You've been told many many times to slow down and not taken these messages to heart. I've been here close to 2 years, and even I have launched exactly one RfC in that time. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll second the suggestion that you need to slow down and stop firing off RfCs about things you don't have sufficient experience to be crafting well. WP:Policy writing is hard. It takes years of near-daily immersion in policy-formation processes to do it right, because you have to know pretty much every aspect of every policy and guideline, in interaction with every other policy and guideline, to not accidentally create contradictions, interpretation grey areas, wikilawyerable loopholes, and other problems. If you're not even doing basic stuff like following GAN instructions or using RM properly, you clearly haven't internalized the rule system here well enough to be sensibly proposing changes to it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

British Rail userbox

Hello, I've noticed that you've recently made some significant changes to my userbox User:KomradeKalashnikov/Userboxes/British rail. I would greatly appreciate it if you raised any concerns with me before making such significant changes to the content of the userboxes I have made, especially considering the one in question was created on behalf of another user. Thanks in advance! -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 21:20, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@KomradeKalashnikov Sorry about not previously making you aware of the changes. Do you like the changes however? - Tbf69 🛈 🗩 22:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with the changes as they are, and unless user:2006toyotacorrola raises any issues, I'm most likely going to leave it as is. I just wanted to let you know since it was a bit of a surprise for me when I saw the change, and some other users might not take it as well if you change their userboxes that much. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that user will be raising any issues since they were blocked for WP:NOTHERE and WP:CIR and haven't edited since they got blocked. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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