Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Judaism/archive2

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The portal was not promoted by OhanaUnited 18:13, 23 December 2013‎ [1].

Portal:Judaism[edit]

I finished working on this a few months ago, but I haven't had time to submit it until now. Anyway, the portal has:

19 featured articles
15 quotations
48 pictures, changed on a quasi-weekly basis
8 sets of 5 DYKs each
an "In the News" section

...and a lot more. -- Ypnypn (talk) 22:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How did you pick those articles for the selection? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't spent any time doing a depth search of featured articles, but it would appear that there are only 19 Judaism related FAs, which seems to be how they were selected. That being said, I would rather have a selection that uses GAs and FAs, if that allows for a selection of articles that more closely relates to Judaism. The prompt for Issy Smith, for example, indicates nothing that would suggest that it belongs on Portal:Judaism. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced Issy Smith with Tefillin, A Rugrats Chanukah with Biblical Hebrew, and Sandy Koufax with Kashrut. All these replacements are GAs. -- Ypnypn (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Sven Manguard: See my above comment on selected article selections; The selected quote appears broken. I am seeing "[[Category:Portal:Judaism/Quote" in the box, rather than a link; I appreciate what you're trying to do, using the Hebrew calendar and pegging relevant images to it, however I'm concerned that the quality of the images varies heavily, with some of them being quite bad. I have a hard time believing that there isn't a better freely licensed image of an etrog, a sheet of matzoh, a Yahrtzeit candle, or Hamentashen, for example. I would rather see high quality images, even if they're not timely, than timely but low quality images. Featured portals are supposed to be a showcase of the best work in the area.; More later, possibly.

Sven Manguard Wha? 06:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The selected quote is fixed now.

I can try to find some better pictures, although there aren't many good ones here on Wikipedia & Commons. Are there any other pictures you want replaced? -- Ypnypn (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was just naming off a few. A lot of them have what I would consider to be serious quality issues (bad lighting, clipping, poorly done editing, etc). I'll head over to Flickr and see what I can come up with. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found on Flickr and uploaded, found on Flickr and did not upload.

Sven Manguard Wha? 22:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have time for detailed comments but I'd say generally there isn't enough content for a featured portal. I'd suggest at minimum splitting Selected articles into articles & biographies, and getting at least 20 items in each. For such a broad topic there should be no trouble with this if the pool is expanded to GAs and even good-quality B class articles. The DYKs could also probably be expanded. The customised news box is useful, but it could do with being updated more often than around once a month. I agree with Sven Manguard about the quality of some of the Pictures of the Week. I also think the Weekly Torah Portion is too long, though I'm aware that there are problems with cutting it -- perhaps give the opening and a link to the full text? Hope this helps, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with splitting off bios is that there are very few of them which are high in both quality and importance. In fact, I recently removed some very low-importance FA bios. Even including GAs and "good" Bs doesn't give many important people – definitely not 20. Maybe another section would be better?

You're right about the DYKs. About the News, it's usually been updated more often, but I've been busy in the past month or so. I'm trying to improve the POTW, but I'm afraid I'm not very good at art :-( and I'm sick of arguing about Weekly Torah Portion (everyone has a different opinion, and a discussion got nowhere).

Thank you for your comments. -- Ypnypn (talk) 00:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think 2 text boxes with 20+ decent articles is my minimum for support, but it doesn't matter whether they are articles & biographies or some other split that makes sense for your content. (Or ~30 & ~15, if that's any easier?) I know the news is hard work, I keep missing it in the two portals I maintain! Can you rope in other WikiProject members to supply news? I don't practise any religion, so perhaps the Weekly Torah Portion should be left to meet the needs of those who do, but it does interrupt the flow of the portal visually. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think about having one section for the religious topics and one for the historical/cultural topics? -- Ypnypn (talk) 02:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds a plausible split. I took a look at Wikiproject Judaism's article stats and there seem to be ~850 articles of B class or above, so there's plenty of material to sift through! With these broad portals, it always seems to me to be best to have content of high relevance (and decent quality) rather than just sticking to the oddities of what's passed FA, but I'm aware others disagree. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypnypn / Espresso Addict / Sven Manguard / OhanaUnited -- any updates on this one? — Cirt (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've split the Selected Article sections; unfortunately it's been taking a lot longer than I'd hoped. – Ypnypn (talk) 19:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When Ypnypn says it's ready for me to take another look at, I'll take another look at it. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ping me when it's done, and I'll re-review. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, Ypnypn, keep us posted, — Cirt (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypnypn, any updates on this? — Cirt (talk) 04:59, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as not promoted. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:13, 23 December 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

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