Help talk:IPA/Hawaiian

Diphthongs need to be expanded, but I only have good descriptions for some of them. — kwami (talk) 09:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguous and Confusing
I never have liked the idea of rendering pronunciation in the alien and excessively complex format of a "phonetic alphabet." Rather than making the pronunciation universally accessible, it more often seems to render it universally obscure to most everyone other than linguists and phoneticists. It seems like simply giving some common-word examples would be simpler and more immediately intelligible.

This chart is a case in point. For example, as I read it, the question mark ( ? ) has been assigned at least 6 separate and distinct functions:

? = the 'u' in 'nut' ? = the 'a' in 'sofa' ? = the 'e' in 'bed' ? = "a catch in the throat" ? = indicates a stressed syllable ? = modifies the sound of 'a','e','i','o','u'

This is supposed to make pronunciation obvious? How is one to know which of the six meanings is intended in a given unfamiliar word? Wouldn't it make more sense to use six -different- symbols?

Of course as more and more symbols become necessary, one is going to come up against limits of what can be rendered in ASCII. So it would make even -more- sense to simply give an example, e.g.:

Pele ('e' as in 'bed')  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.164.43 (talk) 09:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems as though you have a font rendering issue. The symbols used are different for each.  — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]  15:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiians pronounce Ks as Ts?
Then why are those words spelled with Ks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.149.81 (talk) 06:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not always pronounced that way. Presumably, the people who developed the writing system were unfamiliar with the variants that pronounce the sound as t. — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]  12:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2014
Can I please edit this page because it needs a lot of editing. For example Kamehameha means "the lonely one" and on that page it says it means "sky" just because they both have a 'k' in the word.

Tiger139 (talk) 01:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 02:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The protecting admin is no longer an admin. Also, 'sky' isn't a translation of Kamehameha; this is a pronunciation guide. It's meant to say that the the 'k' in Kamehameha is pronounced like the 'k' in 'sky' (in bold). — Lfdder (talk) 02:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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