Talk:'Ala' al-Din al-Bukhari

Possibility of two 'Ala al-Din al-Bukhari's?
Thanks User:TheEagle107 for such a great start on this article.

This is just a thought, which I am sharing so that we both dig further into this: In all copies of Kash al-Asrar, Sharh Usul al-Bazdawi, the year of death of 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Ahmad 'Ala' al-Din al-Bukhari is ascribed as 730 AH. From his preface on the book, it looks like he was no more than 4 generations apart from Fakhr al-Islam al-Bazdawi, as he ascribes his chain of narration to him as follows:

'Ala' al-Din 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Ahmad al-Bukhari > Muhammad ibn Ilyas al-Mayamurghi (محمد بن إلیاس المایَمُرغي) (in Sarakhs) > Muhammad ibn Mahmoud al-Kurdi, famously known as as Khwahar Zada > Burhan al-Din al-Marghinani > Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi > Fakhr al-Islam Al-Bazdawi.

So four generations apart would roughly put him about 200 years after Al-Bazdawi, so around 682 AH. While the year of 730 AH that is reported as his year of death in all manuscripts of Kashf al-Asrar seems to be consistent. Also, in his book, he repeatedly mentions and makes reference to the 7th century scholars of Transoxiana.

Thus, it could be possible that there there might be two 'Ala al-Din al-Bukhari's: (1) one the author of Kashf al-Asrar who died in 730 AH, and (2) the other who studied under Sa'd al-Din al-Taftazani, traveled to Damascus and engaged in rebuttal with the supporters of Ibn Taymiyyah and died in 841 AH as indicated in this wiki article.

I haven't been able to find a good source on the biography of the first 'Ala al-Din al-Bukhari. But let's keep this in mind as we explore this further. Cabolitæ (talk) 07:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right! There are two scholars called 'Ala' al-Din al-Bukhari.


 * 1) 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad, 'Ala' al-Din al-Bukhari (d. 730 AH/1330 CE). His date of birth is unknown. He was a Hanafi jurist (faqih) who wrote Kashf al-Asrar 'an Usul Fakhr al-Islam al-Bazdawi. He was from Bukhara, and authored a book called Sharh al-Muntakhab al-Husami by Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn 'Umar, Husam al-Din al-Akhsikthi (محمد بن محمد بن عمر حسام الدين الأخسيكثي) who died in 644 AH/1247 CE. Source: Al-'Alam by al-Zirikli.
 * 2) Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad, 'Ala' al-Din al-Bukhari (d. 841 AH/1438 CE). He was born in Persia (modern Iran) in 779 A.H./1377 A.D., and grew up in Bukhara. Source: Al-'Alam by al-Zirikli.
 * Thank you for your clarification, assistance and cooperation. Much appreciated!--TheEagle107 (talk) 09:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Brilliant. Glad that you were able to find the source for the two. Thanks very much. Cabolitæ (talk) 12:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)