Talk:1985 Luton riot

Article title and focus
This is a really interesting article, but I wonder if it's focused incorrectly. It might be better with the title "1985 Luton Town football riot", with the article's lead focusing more on the riot than the match. Thoughts?--Mike Selinker (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's probably best as it is; the riot completely surrounded the match (it started before kick-off, continued during the game and carried on following it). If it was only before the match, or only after, I would agree with you; however in my eyes the match and the incident are very linked. Most alternative titles you could think of already redirect here—I chose this particular title because it seemed the most encyclopaedic. I'm open to debate on the matter, but personally I feel this is the best title for it. Oh, and thank you for saying it's interesting. :)  Cliftonian  • talk  17:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I would also favour a move to a different title. If you'd rather have the article focus on the match itself, then the title should probably be something like "Luton Town v. Millwall (1985 football game)"—either way, I don't think it's necessary to have the score in the title. If it's better to focus on the riot, then Mike Selinker's suggestion is a good one. TheFeds 17:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The precedent was set by Liverpool 0–2 Arsenal (26 May 1989), another football match article. I agree that it's better to focus on the riot, but I can't think of any alternative title that would be both encyclopaedic and completely free of POV (Mike's suggestion falls at both hurdles—"football riot" sounds horribly informal and "Luton Town football riot" could be taken to lay the blame at the feet of Luton Town.)  Cliftonian  • talk  18:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In the case of the 'Pool-Arsenal game it was the actual match/result that was notable. In the case of this game, the actual match was completely inconsequential, the only notable aspect was the riot, so that's what the title should focus on.  If you want to avoid the problems you highlighted, then how about 1985 Kenilworth Road riot? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll move it now. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 13:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)